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 Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:19 am
Okay, after stressing hours of analyzing the NARUTO storyline, debating with SasuSakuers and stomping on NaruSaku, I've decided on making a really big wall of text on my feelings. Do not read if you like many pairings! I'm going to pretty much bash everything here. xD -General-The thing is I really dislike teammate pairings, why? Because of the seesaw effect, what is the seesaw effect? Let me explain it to you in a story Team #99 is consisted of Boy #1, Boy #2 and Girl. They were walking in a playground when Boy #2 spotted a seesaw and wanted to get on it so Boy1 and Boy2 get on two ends of the seesaw. The boys ask Girl to come over too because she's part of the team. Because Girl is friends with both of the team, she decides to sit in the middle:  What is the result? Not much, the seesaw is perfectly balanced and they're all happy. Now, Team #99 is all happy playing on their perfectly balanced seesaw when suddenly Girl decides she has a crush on Boy1. After all, he's cool, he's handsome, way more attractive than Boy2 who can get really annoying. She's going to want to get closer to Boy1 on the seesaw.  What happens? The seesaw became unbalanced, and poor Boy2 was left all alone. sad Now substitute Team #99 with either Team7, Team Gai or Team Kurenai and you will catch my drift and what I'm saying. I came to realize this effect back a while ago when I was first starting to get into NARUTO but already had all my OTPs listed. One in particular was InoCho, it was hinted at so much (not bluntly though), that I really came to love that pairing, of course, me being an opposites-attract fanatic also was a factor. However, when I got into the internet and I thought I was well enough into the series to do so so I wouldn't have to worry about spoilers, I realized that ShikaIno was really popular. Why? It really puzzled me. By this time I knew that ShikaTema was one of the best hinted pairings in the series and InoCho wasn't far behind. I later came to realize that it was mostly because Chouji isn't skinny, and the more I dwelved into it I realized this seesaw pattern and why ShikaIno is just not fair, and not just because its a teammate pairing. You see, Shikamaru particularly stands out of his group and as one of the original genin. He's a genius, he was the only one to become a Chuunin in the fake exams and he went to attack the Akatsuki without the aid of Chouji and Ino. In conclusion, the current situation of Team Asuma looks like this:  Okay, look what happens if ShikaIno became canon:  Poor Chouji is completely thrown off the seesaw! In turn, if InoCho happened, there would be some balance added to the team. The more I dwelved in this, the more I hated teammate pairings. Yes, I'll mention it again, but this time it applies to me: "Intolerance is the result of looking at oneself in the mirror". I hate most teammate pairings because of the only teammate pairing I like. I know it, but I have explained why with logic. When I rant about SasuSaku and NaruSaku, keep the seesaw effect in mind. Is this all? No. I'm pretty sure Kishimoto represented each character's immaturity in their childhood crushes: Lee's for Sakura, Ino's for Sasuke, etc. When they lose the crushes, they lose their immaturity from Part1.
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:23 am
-against SasuSaku-
You see, Sakura's immaturity was especially shown on her relationship with Sasuke and Naruto. How the heck is she supposed to mature from that stage of insulting Naruto and favoring Sasuke if she's going to end up with Sasuke? She can't, it just doesn't make sense. SasuSaku fan Can't she mature while liking Sasuke at the same time?
Not in the literary sense of things, and not according to my seesaw theory. Its not good symbolism. Sakura's character development really does revolve around getting over Sasuke.
SasuSaku fan How do you know that Sakura has no feelings for Sasuke anymore?
Several things. For one, she accepted going out on a date with Naruto. Last time I checked, friends hung out, not dated. If she still liked Sasuke in a romantic way, she would have not accepted going out on a date with Naruto. That's not all, there's also the scene where Sakura cut her hair. Remember why she grew it out? For Sasuke. And what? She cut it. In a way, she is cutting away her feelings for Sasuke. Sasuke kept Sakura immature.
SasuSaku fan Sasuke did keep Sakura immature! Her feelings for him made her stronger!
Stronger possibly, but not mature. Let's look at the bit after Naruto's battle with Gaara.
Sakura to Sasuke (not exact quote): "Don't be modest! You're the one who saved me, Naruto couldn't have done that.
^That is NOT a mature statement. Even after cutting her hair, with Sasuke in the way Sakura is unable to mature. She's degrading Naruto in favor of Sasuke.
Proof? Sakura's character development did not start until after Sasuke left.
SasuSaku fan Kishimoto said that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke were genuine unlike Ino's! For one, never trust translators, especially when it comes to such a general word like 'love'. Why? Because its easy to argue that Sakura's "genuine" feelings for Sasuke was just caring for a teammate and having a crush at the same time. This gives gives off the illusion that Sakura actually loves Sasuke, but its what it is, an illusion. Genuine devotion, yes, genuine romantic love, no.
SasuSaku fan What about that scene in the forest when Sakura calmed Sasuke's rage? (Its also where we get the idea that she's going to be his savior) Its been hinted at over and over again that Sasuke's savior will be Naruto, and mainly Naruto and I will argue why later.
The thing is, Naruto was unconscious, Lee was unconscious. No one else could have done it, in fact, they ALL had to be unconscious for Sakura to have that important hair-cutting scene I mentioned before.
Besides, the scene happened before Sasuke chose to go with Orochimaru. xp
SasuSaku fan But Sakura told Sasuke that she loved him! Plus that she would give up everything to be with him! I think that proves only even more that that crush is immature, because ALL of us are willing to do the same for our first love/crush, I know I did. How many do we actually end up with him? Very, very few, why? Because we mature. In fact, if Sakura was mature by then, she wouldn't have fallen for Sasuke to begin with. If you read 'A Hero of Our Time' you'll understand what I'm talking about.
And no, I'm not comparing two works of two different artists, I'm using it as an example. SasuSaku fan (The above) was a SasuSaku moment! No it wasn't. A team7 moment? Yes. A one-sided SasuSaku moment? Yes. A SasuSaku moment? No. If Sakura would have stopped Sasuke, then it would, but she wasn't able to. And even so, when Sakura tried to reason with Sasuke, she used the team as a whole, and I already said that because of the seesaw effect, pairing two teammates together is not good teamwork. Don't try to tell me that it was because Naruto wasn't there. In fact, the reason why Naruto wasn't there was so that there would be more emphasis in the battle between Sasuke and Naruto. Also, Sasuke hesititating. Sasuke only did so to the words 'I love you', hell, it could have been anyone, but because of his loneliness he really reacted to that. Even so, if Sakura's words did have meaning to him, they simply weren't enough.
Sasuke left. End of story.
SasuSaku fan What about Sakura's reaction to Sai's insult and Sai being so shocked about it? Naruto's reaction was exactly the same. However, the reason why Sai was shocked from Sakura's reaction was because she used the same 'smile to conceal intentions' tactic he uses, and that surprised him.
SasuSaku fan And how about when Sakura saw Sasuke again? She was very shocked. The last time she had seen Sasuke was when she declared her supposed feelings for him, and now she saw Sasuke attempting to kill Naruto behind Orochimaru. Anybody would have been shocked if only out of fear. Besides, even if you look for deeper meaning, it could only too easily mean that she gave up on him at that moment. We really don't know.
SasuSaku fan Sakura spent all her time obsessing over Sasuke to only give it up later/End up with someone else? Yes actually, its called maturing and character development.
Hell, NARUTO is all about friendship between the three teammates. Kishimoto isn't going to throw that away in exchange for romance. Maybe in a Shojo manga, but definately not in a Shonen manga.
SasuSaku fan The three saying their goals at the beginning could be seen as foreshadowing. Sasuke killing his brother and reviving his clan, Naruto becoming Hokage, and Sakura getting Sasuke  Close, but no cigar. Sasuke and Naruto mentioned their goals, but Sakura only said her favorite thing was Sasuke and that she hated Naruto. She never mentioned it was her goal to be with Sasuke.SasuSaku fan Its possible that Sasuke did have feelings for Sakura (Damn it! Because of this statement I had to go around looking for SasuNaru essays! stressed ) No, its not. Why? Well, because the so called love triangle that was shown to us when Sakura and Sasuke were introduced. Naruto having strong feelings for Sakura would be one side. Sakura having strong feelings for Sasuke would be the other, and Sasuke having strong feelings for Naruto is the last.  ^That is a love triangle. I am not necessarily argueing that Sasuke had romantic interest in Naruto, but that he had stronger feelings for Naruto than Sakura. Proof? Naruto degraded Sasuke and favored Sakura. Sakura degraded Naruto and favored Sasuke. Sasuke degraded Sakura and favored Naruto. Proof: Sasuke: "Don't you envy him being alone, not having parents nag at you all the time... You make me sick!" Sasuke: "You're just as bad as Naruto. Why waste your time flirting when you should be practicing? Even his skills are better tan yours! Obviously, Sasuke reacted to Sakura the same way Sakura reacted to Naruto. Also: Neji to Naruto (not exact quote): You have better eyes than mine. Only you can save Sasuke from darkness now."Naruto, not Sakura. That means that Naruto has stronger power over Sasuke than Sakura does. I'm not saying Sasuke has romantic feelings for Naruto, but I do believe that his feelings, friendship and brotherly, are much more stronger for Naruto than for Sakura. Anyway, that's it for SasuSaku until I feel like adding more.
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:25 am
-Against NaruSaku-
(I'm looking at you, Janie and Icel. D=)
Beware: Extremely pro-NaruHinaness. NaruSaku person NaruHina has no chance of happening instead of NaruSaku! Yes, I would agree. But remember my statement about how crushes wore off in Part 2? Lee's crush wore off, Ino's crush wore off, Sakura's crush wore off, Hinata's crush did not wear off. If Kishimoto would want to put NaruSaku instead, he would have taken Hinata's crush away instead of complicating things. He didn't. Maybe he has planned doing something with them?
NaruSaku person Naruto still loves/likes Sakura! No, he doesn't. I won't argue on Sakura loving Naruto, but if that's the case, then its not requited. Naruto knew and accepted that Sakura did not like him back in Part1 right before the the Sasuke Retrieval ARK:
Naruto: Sakura-chan likes Sasuke very much!
Naruto: Sakura-chan, you really like Sasuke huh? -smile-
Remember when Sasuke was hospitalized and when he woke up Sakura jumped to embrace him leaving Naruto pensive? I'm pretty sure that it was more or less that moment when Naruto gave up his feelings on Sakura, before the time jump which is what? 2 or 3 years? That's a long time. I'm pretty sure he'd give up his feelings by then.
NaruSaku person What are you saying? Naruto never gives up, its his nindo! Sometimes part of learning is accepting that you lost and moving on. Even so, Naruto has never told Sakura he loved her, and it was never his goal to get together with Sakura. Naruto's goal is to be acknowledged, to become Hokage and to bring Sasuke back. Besides, why would he need to work to be acknowledged by Sakura when he is already acknowledged by Hinata? Let's look at Hinata's theme: "Believe in yourself." How would that theme fit if Naruto ends up never acknowledging Hinata and rejects her for Sakura, someone who rejected him throughout most of Part1? That's not fair.
Oh, and not to forget, Naruto's nindo is "never take back my words", not giving up. He has never mentioned he would get Sakura to love him in Part1, so I don't see what the problem is.  No, and he never did romantically. Why did Naruto like Sakura to begin with? Because she was like him, looking for acknolwedgement (which is the same for Hinata). That's really it. NaruSaku person Sakura and Naruto are canon! Have they told eachother they love eachother? Have they kissed? No. I know it is a shonen manga but there are always something that will indicate a pairing is canon. Look at Asuma/Kurenai, when Asuma died Kurenai had the bad omen, they constantly dated as you can see when they had flashbacks. Asuma/Kurenai was canon. NaruSaku is not, if it was, it would be more blunt especially since it involves the main character. NaruSaku person What about Yamato's statement? 'Sakura in reality, you...' -297  You guys jumped to fast to conclusions. Yamato for one did not finish the statement and Sakura did not answer it. Hell, he could have meant "In reality you love someone else" or something. We really don't know. Oh, and talking about that statement, guess who was on the cover of that chapter?  Hinata Hyuuga. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't random either. NaruSaku person Naruto would get Sakura to acknowledge him by loving him! Not necessarily. Sakura already acknowledges Naruto, she already knows about Kyuubi, she knows him probably better than most people. If the above is the case, then why hasn't NaruSaku happened yet? They already know eachother well, you'd think they'd be canon by now but they're not. Makes you think, doesn't it?
I'm no hypocrite. I think Kishimoto put the date as his own way of showing us that Sakura forgot her feelings for Sasuke without having to put actual important romance in it and adding to us that ShikaTema hint. wink . Hell, Naruto hadn't even said the word 'date' yet so I don't think it counts in this category. Naruto only teases Sakura, trying to cheer themselves up and doing it for 'old time's sake'. As I mentioned before, Naruto no longer has a crush on Sakura. Oh, and by the way, according to what's translated, Kishimoto mentioned that the date was not romance. No, I am not a hypocrite, love is a general word, romance is not.
NaruSaku person The NaruHina in the anime were only fillers! True. But why did the animators necessarily put NaruHina in the fillers? Why'd they do that if they knew it could end some other way ending up with loads of dissapointed fans on their asses? Its absolutely normal for manga authors to tell animators how they're going to end the manga or at least what they have planned. I don't think the animators are stupid enough to put NaruHina in if they knew NaruSaku would or could happen. Actually, NaruHina wasn't the only pairing hinted at in the anime... (I'll poke at this later)
NaruSaku person Hinata can be strong without Naruto! Wouldn't that show her character development like you said with the crushes? If anyone were to ask me this, I'd applaud them for being a good debater, but it won't work on me. Hinata's source for inspiration? Naruto, Hinata's reason to grow? Naruto. Unlike Sakura's crush for Sasuke keeping her immature, Hinata's crush for Naruto did the opposite, made her mature, made her stronger. Yes, Hinata can become acknowledged by her clan and become strong, but it wouldn't resolve her feelings for Naruto. I already proved how Sakura's feelings for Sasuke had resolved, how Naruto's feelings for Sakura had resolved, but Hinata's - maybe being a minor character - feelings have yet to be resolved. Hell, its even be foreshadowed that Hinata will eventually confess her feelings for Naruto, let's look at the second databook: Kishimoto's bitches "Hinata, always feeling the same towards Naruto. Will the day come when she can face him directly?"   Yes, a love story, and this was double checked and translated literary into 'love story'. Eat that, bishes. xp Oh, and let's look at this picture Kishimoto himself drew, its not fanart. This being the rough draft of the cover of the so on the familiar chapter of 297:  This also came with the words “Guided by a golden light, now she's walking out in the sun!”. And if there's something I've really noticed as a NaruHina fan, is that they both have some really nice Sun/Moon parallels between them. Oh, and just to stick it in here, Hinata was the one that saw Naruto leave Konoha, not Sakura. wink  More on anti-NaruSaku:-There's no reason for Naruto and Sakura to be lovers as they're perfectly fine as friends. Sakura already has a good portion of the spotlight, especially in a shonen manga, however, everytime Hinata gets the spotlight it has something to do with Naruto. NaruHina not happening would be severely neglecting Hinata and her theme. -The Seesaw effect. - If Kishimoto wanted NaruSaku he would have made Hinata's feelings fade, but he didn't. - If Kishimoto wanted NaruSaku, he would have probably made it canon by now, they're all alone without Sasuke, so why hasn't it happened? -The NARUTO manga is all about friendship. Kishimoto is not going to throw that away to pave way for a romantic relationship between Team7 and/or Sai. He's going to want to either leave them single or pair them up outside of the team. More reference to the seesaw effect. - Naruto already gave up on Sakura at the end of Part1. It would be pointless to bring back his feelings; it wouldn't help the plot, and it certainly wouldn't help his character development. -Sakura knows about Hinata's feelings for Naruto, it wouldn't be very nice on her part to still go after Naruto. -Continueing from the last point, both Kiba and Shino know very well of Hinata's feelings for Naruto and support her. If NaruHina didn't happen, it would not only bring down Hinata, but also all of Team 8/Kurenai.
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:26 am
-For GaaSaku-
Gaara fangirltard Sakura should go with Naruto to show that she's made good progress as a character instead of Gaara! True, but pairing her up with Gaara would make the exact same effect if not even better. Let's see what seems to be the summary of Sakura's immaturity in Part1:
Sakura: "Can't we get away from Naruto for just one second?! He always comes between us!(More points to my love triangle theory against SasuSaku. wink ) Its because he was badly brought up! You know... Because he never had any parents? He doesn't have to answer to anyone, ever, and its made him completely selfish!!! If I did the kinds of things he gets away with, my parents would ground me for life!"
In reality, pairing Sakura up with anyone that was lonely during their childhood would show she has matured, it doesn't necessarily have to be Naruto. Who are the three main guys her age that were lonely during their childhood? Sasuke, Naruto and Gaara. And if Kishimoto realizes or already knew about as he's the author here, the seesaw effect, then he'll realize that Gaara is the best option for Sakura at that point.
Bonus points: Gaara also happens to be the Kazekage. Being the spouse of a kage would show her power, along with being a link between villages which you could say would very well elevate her status as a kunoichi. In summary, GaaSaku happening would give the equal symbolism of Sakura maturing in respect to NaruSaku with the bonus points of making her appear very powerful, which is pretty much Sakura's goal since the beginning of the story.
I think that if anything that makes it only better. rofl
When has that stopped a pairing from happening? If anything I know that manga-ka love opposite-attract couples, and I should know, I have over 300 volumes of different manga stored in a bookshelf beside me right now. wink
I agree that pre-timeskip GaaSaku would have never happend. But after? For one Gaara is no crazed psychopath anymore and Sakura has become more like Naruto. And we all know that Gaara is fond of Naruto... Not that way of course. -chases BL fangirls away-
Oh, and just adding to the point before this one, Gaara resembles both Naruto and Sasuke very well and knowing how much Sakura loves her teammates it would only be natural for her to feel attracted to Gaara. This way Sakura can love her teammates both a lot and equally without having the seesaw effect put into motion.
Gaara fangirltard It would be unpopular among the fans! So?
No, seriously, so what?
Its Kishimoto's manga, not the fans. Its not like he's going to change the direction of the story because of some whiney teenage girls. I'm pretty sure a guy has to write a story before he starts drawing it. Kishimoto didn't even intend to get female fans, NARUTO is a shonen manga. Besides, let's look at the VegetaBulma pairing in DBZ; DBZ had overwhelming popularity back then and also had a good share of female fans and then VegetaBulma became canon out of nowhere. I'm pretty sure a lot of people were against it but nothing really happened.
In reality, people would riot for 5 days and spam the AMC but that's it. The manga would continue.
Oh, and speaking of Dragonball Z and VegetaBulma, GaaraSaku only parallels that pairing enormously well as a maingirl/antihero pairing (Gaara makes a better Vegeta than Sasuke ever did) and Kishimoto himself only is an enormously large fan of that anime, claiming to be incredibly obsessed with it when he was younger and often reading it over for inspiration. wink
NarutoHinata also parallels GokuChichi well too - and we all know that that pairing is quite an obvious one.
Gaara fangirltard They have little interaction! True, but it doesn't really matter and yes, they have had little interaction; but what has happened when Sakura and the sand siblings do interact?
Gaara's introduction: When Kankuro and Temari entered Kankuro was busy picking on Konohamaru. Sakura stood up to them even if she knew they were possibly dangerous. You'd think it would be Naruto to do something like that - which he did, but not with the same impact. Gaara appears later telling Kankuro off and in a way - unconsciously - helping Konohamaru, Naruto and Sakura out of the mess. Sasuke would have helped, but you can't deny the fact that it was still Gaara that changed it. xD
The creeping up: I'm the first GaaSaku-er to argue this point, yay for me!
You see, why was Sakura at the hospital to begin with? To visit Lee. You see, Sakura wasn't supposed to like Lee at all at the beginning but he protected her (though he kind of failed at it) and then Sakura matured and realized that he was a nice guy. By going to the hospital to visit Lee she was doing something mature, and then suddenly Gaara is randomly stuck there. You see, Gaara was jelous of Lee. No, I'm not going to be delusional and say Gaara has feelings for Sakura (yet. xD -shot-), but that doesn't change the fact that he was jelous of Lee and the attention he was getting as someone with loved ones. Foreshadow? Its possible.
The confrontation: Every GaaSakuer will always mention this part because its quite a key moment for both Gaara and Sakura. Sakura was really serious at this part and willing to die - something ninjas are trained to do. Sakura made Gaara hesitate and reminded him of a love he never had (I'll come back to that later). Yes, it was Naruto who healed Gaara's heart, but who sparked that? Sakura did, and it was Sakura's peril that really got Naruto serious. Throw at me all you want, but it does not change the fact that Sakura was a key factor in changing Gaara for the better.
Oh, and by the way, what happened as soon as Gaara left? Sakura started degrading Naruto for Sasuke which spiraled into Sasuke leaving for Orochimaru. wink
Kankuro: I'd never forget the timeskip of course. Let's see what happened ; Sakura healed Kankuro using a S class jutsu - S class, that's Hokage level to you - and therefore saving his life. If this doesn't show that Sakura is all grown up I don't know what does. Gaara still owes Sakura a thank you for that. stare
Sasori: I don't care if she was a puppet for half of the fight, Sakura still helped defeat an Akatsuki member, and just to remind you, the Akatsuki are S-class missing nin. Sakura really kicked a** in this fight and killed Sasori - for what? To rescue Gaara. And guess what? Sasori was also from Suna. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe Sakura has a link with Suna and her maturity.
Throw whatever you want at me, it still doesn't change the fact that Sakura + Sand sibs = strong Sakura.
Gaara fangirltard wtf wel garra is 2 gud 4 sakra!!1 shis such a btch !!11 Gara is mine!111 (Translation: how would it help Gaara?) How would it not help Gaara? The more love Gaara can get the better because he's one of the lonely characters. For one, being paired up with one of the main characters of Team7 elevates him in the storyline. Hell, being paired up just simply shows us that Gaara is no longer the monster that he was, that he is more human, and who better to show it than Naruto's teammate (since BL isn't happening anytime soon)? With Sakura by his side, Gaara would always be carrying a piece of Naruto with him showing how much he was an impact in his life. After all, Naruto is the main character, he's supposed to do that. Not to forget how Sakura reminded Gaara of Yashamaru - a guy who Gaara cared about but didn't love him - if GaaSaku happened, one could say that he gained the love he never had during his childhood, that he really has healed.
NEW! The Sannin paradox: SasuSaku nor NaruSaku will ever happen because it would totally ruin the snake-toad-slug balance (based off a japanese version of rock, paper and scissors game) that Kishimoto stresses many times between Team 7 and the Sannin. If you remember correctly, Tsunade had a brother and a lover that both wanted to become Hokage but died and therefore failed. It would make total sense as Sannin foreshadowing has happened many, many times that these 3 would not fail unlike the last three Sasuke will not fully become evil, Naruto will rescue/stop Sasuke and Sakura will not lose her brother and lover. Knowing how Naruto and Sasuke call eachothers brothers it would make sense that Sakura would also consider them her brothers. She would have one brother that would become Hokage (Naruto) and also a lover that becomes kage too (Gaara).
In conclusion; No, I do not believe GaaSaku is canon and it certainly isn't mainstream because that would be stupid. However, I do believe it does have a decent chance at happening following the storyline. Both Gaara and Sakura would really complete eachother in the spots that they don't have and it would certainly make sense if it became canon, definately more than SasuSaku and NaruSaku, and unlike them, GaaSaku is harder to contradict because there really hasn't been anything to go against it.
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:34 am
Icel and Janie! No poking at this thread. domokun
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:29 am
Yay for Sasunaru!
-Boos Narusaku and Sasusaku- talk2hand
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:37 am
icel Yay for Sasunaru!
-Boos Narusaku and Sasusaku- talk2hand But I don't like SasuNaru either. D:
Ah well, at least I have comfort that it'll never be canon. xD
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:50 am
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:09 pm
As they say in the GD....
WALL OF TEXT.
*ahem*
Anyway.
I'm sorry Rey-chan, but the manga really IS leaning towards NaruSaku.
neutral
It's the truth.
Oh, did you also know that NaruHina is the most hated pairing in Japan? (of the common pairings).
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:12 pm
Castitatis Lilium As they say in the GD....
WALL OF TEXT.
*ahem*
Anyway.
I'm sorry Rey-chan, but the manga really IS leaning towards NaruSaku.
neutral
It's the truth.
Oh, did you also know that NaruHina is the most hated pairing in Japan? (of the common pairings). Maybe, but guess who the manga is aimed at and are most of the readers? Boys. ;D
And boys don't really give a damn.
I don't really think Kishimoto really cares about that department. I mean ShikaIno is more popular than ShikaTema and ShikaTema has still been hinted at much much more. Hell, forget ShikaIno vs. ShikaTema, let's look at SasuNaru, MOST POPULAR PAIRING EVER, it even has its own conventions. Does it have a chance of becoming canon? No.
Besides, I supported most of my arguements with 'teh canon' already. xp
Just because one thing seems more blunt than the other doesn't mean its more canon. =o
Did you read it all though? o3o
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:06 pm
Reyairia Castitatis Lilium As they say in the GD....
WALL OF TEXT.
*ahem*
Anyway.
I'm sorry Rey-chan, but the manga really IS leaning towards NaruSaku.
neutral
It's the truth.
Oh, did you also know that NaruHina is the most hated pairing in Japan? (of the common pairings). Maybe, but guess who the manga is aimed at and are most of the readers? Boys. ;D
And boys don't really give a damn.
I don't really think Kishimoto really cares about that department. I mean ShikaIno is more popular than ShikaTema and ShikaTema has still been hinted at much much more. Hell, forget ShikaIno vs. ShikaTema, let's look at SasuNaru, MOST POPULAR PAIRING EVER, it even has its own conventions. Does it have a chance of becoming canon? No.
Besides, I supported most of my arguements with 'teh canon' already. xp
Just because one thing seems more blunt than the other doesn't mean its more canon. =o
Did you read it all though? o3o
I couldn't read everything because I got a headache and had to get away from the computer for a little while.
<.<
Still, Kishimoto himself told us that he never really thought the manga would be popular among girls, but now that he knows that at least 50% of his readers are girls he told us he would try to fit in some romance.
In other words, Kishi is a newbie at romance, so it'd be natural for him to make the main boy get the main girl. Also, if Sakura fell in love with Naruto then yes, it would mean she had matured, a lot. Gaara has sort of played his part of this story (no, I am not saying he won't get any more appearances, just... not as many as before).
Also, Hinata 'acknowledges' Naruto because she looks on him as a rolemodel. She only sees a little boy who wants to be known and respected, like her, but that is not all that Naruto wants. Currently his mind is set on getting Sasuke back.
Also, we don't KNOW if Ino has gotten over her crush, neither if Sakura really has (I mean, she vowed to kill Itachi because he had caused Sasuke pain, that's pretty huge).
All in all, the entire manga and plot just speaks against GaaSaku. I believe the only chance for this pairing to happen is if Kishi wants to do something crazy and unpredictable.
P.S: ShikaTema is more popular than ShikaIno. At least in Japan (which is the country Kish listens to).
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:22 pm
Castitatis Lilium Reyairia Castitatis Lilium As they say in the GD....
WALL OF TEXT.
*ahem*
Anyway.
I'm sorry Rey-chan, but the manga really IS leaning towards NaruSaku.
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It's the truth.
Oh, did you also know that NaruHina is the most hated pairing in Japan? (of the common pairings). Maybe, but guess who the manga is aimed at and are most of the readers? Boys. ;D
And boys don't really give a damn.
I don't really think Kishimoto really cares about that department. I mean ShikaIno is more popular than ShikaTema and ShikaTema has still been hinted at much much more. Hell, forget ShikaIno vs. ShikaTema, let's look at SasuNaru, MOST POPULAR PAIRING EVER, it even has its own conventions. Does it have a chance of becoming canon? No.
Besides, I supported most of my arguements with 'teh canon' already. xp
Just because one thing seems more blunt than the other doesn't mean its more canon. =o
Did you read it all though? o3o
I couldn't read everything because I got a headache and had to get away from the computer for a little while.
<.<
Still, Kishimoto himself told us that he never really thought the manga would be popular among girls, but now that he knows that at least 50% of his readers are girls he told us he would try to fit in some romance.
In other words, Kishi is a newbie at romance, so it'd be natural for him to make the main boy get the main girl. Also, if Sakura fell in love with Naruto then yes, it would mean she had matured, a lot. Gaara has sort of played his part of this story (no, I am not saying he won't get any more appearances, just... not as many as before).
Also, Hinata 'acknowledges' Naruto because she looks on him as a rolemodel. She only sees a little boy who wants to be known and respected, like her, but that is not all that Naruto wants. Currently his mind is set on getting Sasuke back.
Also, we don't KNOW if Ino has gotten over her crush, neither if Sakura really has (I mean, she vowed to kill Itachi because he had caused Sasuke pain, that's pretty huge).
All in all, the entire manga and plot just speaks against GaaSaku. I believe the only chance for this pairing to happen is if Kishi wants to do something crazy and unpredictable.
P.S: ShikaTema is more popular than ShikaIno. At least in Japan (which is the country Kish listens to). Kishimoto doesn't have to put specific romance to put implied couples. All he really has to do is put hints and say "ZOMG we're married/dating!" at some point in the manga. Yes, I agree that if Sakura loved Naruto it would mean development for her character, but it would also mean that deevolution on Naruto's part. Meanwhile, Sakura going for Gaara would give the exact same effect on Sakura -if not even more since he's the Kazekage. (I'll put this in my pro-GaaSaku arguement right now)
No, Hinata did have a crush on Naruto, it wasn't just admiration; Its mentioned in the databook. Yeah, Kishimoto may listen to his fans, but he still hasn't changed that fact when he so easily could. Popular or unpopular, its still his manga, and he can do whatever he wants with it. Don't you think things would get hectic if he did listen to them? It would be much safer to continue what he had from the start. Besides, Japanese authors don't have a good reputation on giving what the fan wants; example: Sonic the Hedgehog. They gave a hedgehog a freakin gun for crying out loud! And even if the game was so unpopular and had such bad scores, they want to continue it! ( gonk ) In summary: so? Look at DBZ with VegetaBulma. I'm pretty sure the female fandom (from what I hear, it was as popular as NARUTO is right now back then) threw a riot the day it became canon. What happened? Nothing, the manga continued.
I mention how Sakura gave up her crush on Sasuke and I gave proof for it. neutral
Naruto has mentioned the exact same for killing Orochimaru, doesn't matter; just because Sakura cares for a guy doesn't mean she's in love with him. As for Ino, she was pretty much flirting with Sai. I don't think she'd do that if she still had a crush on someone else, at least not a serious one.
It wouldn't be the first time someone made the exact same move; it happened in DBZ and in (I think) Digimon. ;D
(And its about time he realizes he has fans in the US too)
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:37 am
Reyairia Kishimoto doesn't have to put specific romance to put implied couples. All he really has to do is put hints and say "ZOMG we're married/dating!" at some point in the manga. Yes, I agree that if Sakura loved Naruto it would mean development for her character, but it would also mean that deevolution on Naruto's part. Meanwhile, Sakura going for Gaara would give the exact same effect on Sakura -if not even more since he's the Kazekage. (I'll put this in my pro-GaaSaku arguement right now)
No, Hinata did have a crush on Naruto, it wasn't just admiration; Its mentioned in the databook. Yeah, Kishimoto may listen to his fans, but he still hasn't changed that fact when he so easily could. Popular or unpopular, its still his manga, and he can do whatever he wants with it. Don't you think things would get hectic if he did listen to them? It would be much safer to continue what he had from the start. Besides, Japanese authors don't have a good reputation on giving what the fan wants; example: Sonic the Hedgehog. They gave a hedgehog a freakin gun for crying out loud! And even if the game was so unpopular and had such bad scores, they want to continue it! ( gonk ) In summary: so? Look at DBZ with VegetaBulma. I'm pretty sure the female fandom (from what I hear, it was as popular as NARUTO is right now back then) threw a riot the day it became canon. What happened? Nothing, the manga continued.
I mention how Sakura gave up her crush on Sasuke and I gave proof for it. neutral
Naruto has mentioned the exact same for killing Orochimaru, doesn't matter; just because Sakura cares for a guy doesn't mean she's in love with him. As for Ino, she was pretty much flirting with Sai. I don't think she'd do that if she still had a crush on someone else, at least not a serious one.
It wouldn't be the first time someone made the exact same move; it happened in DBZ and in (I think) Digimon. ;D
(And its about time he realizes he has fans in the US too)
So basically, NaruSaku has the same effect as GaaSaku (however, if Sasuke turns good/lives I feel that SasuSaku WILL happen).
Yes, a crush, that's it. However, I don't think NaruHina will work because Naruto barely knows she exists and the fact she can't stay around him without fainting (which is scary, really), also... somehow I feel that Kiba has feelings for Hinata (not sure why, just a feeling) and that at one point she'll give up on Naruto - it most certain would be maturing on her part. Besides... Kish seems to have neglected Team 8, if Hinata was going to be Naruto's future... uh, wife, don't you think she would've gotten just a little more screen time than the two pages 'till now?
...I never heard about the Sonic thing... Did they really give him a GUN?! GOD. I am SO sorry you people who decided that but... you FAIL.
Meh, I don't think she 'gave up' and those aren't really 'proof' they're more how you read the series, just like everyone else. Only that some read it differently.
As for me; I think that Ino thought that Sai was attractive, but all she did was being herself, I don't think there was anything special there, but yeah... I do to believe she's gotten over her crush on Sasuke (since we don't have ANY backstory what she REALLY felt I'll assume it was a crush), instead, I feel she'll somehow wind up with Chouji in the end (although I LIKE ShikaIno better, I don't think it'll ever happen).
All in all... all of this is just how WE - the fans, read the series. WE chose to acknowledge these 'hints' and 'meanings' (it's not even 100% sure they're there). So far there are only a FEW canon pairings (TsunadexDan, Shika'smomxShika'sdad, Chou'smomxChou'sdad, Ino'smomxIno'sdad and AsumaxKurenai).
(I think he does know, he just... doesn't care as much since he can't understand us anyway.)
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:03 am
Castitatis Lilium So basically, NaruSaku has the same effect as GaaSaku (however, if Sasuke turns good/lives I feel that SasuSaku WILL happen).
Yes, a crush, that's it. However, I don't think NaruHina will work because Naruto barely knows she exists and the fact she can't stay around him without fainting (which is scary, really), also... somehow I feel that Kiba has feelings for Hinata (not sure why, just a feeling) and that at one point she'll give up on Naruto - it most certain would be maturing on her part. Besides... Kish seems to have neglected Team 8, if Hinata was going to be Naruto's future... uh, wife, don't you think she would've gotten just a little more screen time than the two pages 'till now?
...I never heard about the Sonic thing... Did they really give him a GUN?! GOD. I am SO sorry you people who decided that but... you FAIL.
Meh, I don't think she 'gave up' and those aren't really 'proof' they're more how you read the series, just like everyone else. Only that some read it differently.
As for me; I think that Ino thought that Sai was attractive, but all she did was being herself, I don't think there was anything special there, but yeah... I do to believe she's gotten over her crush on Sasuke (since we don't have ANY backstory what she REALLY felt I'll assume it was a crush), instead, I feel she'll somehow wind up with Chouji in the end (although I LIKE ShikaIno better, I don't think it'll ever happen).
All in all... all of this is just how WE - the fans, read the series. WE chose to acknowledge these 'hints' and 'meanings' (it's not even 100% sure they're there). So far there are only a FEW canon pairings (TsunadexDan, Shika'smomxShika'sdad, Chou'smomxChou'sdad, Ino'smomxIno'sdad and AsumaxKurenai).
(I think he does know, he just... doesn't care as much since he can't understand us anyway.) I really don't think SasuSaku will happen. I really cannot see it after Part1. Sasuke will definately come back since I highly doubt in Kishimoto ending the manga as a tragedy, but Sasuke is -really- obsessed with Naruto. I mean, in the few times he has appeared post-timeskip, when has he talked about Sakura?
(Plus my seesaw theory)
In a way, GaaSaku would be even better than NaruSaku for Sakura and I explain why in the last paragraph.
I'm pretty sure Naruto has been acknowledging Hinata's existance since the third round of the chuunin exams where she cheered him up (Let me repeat that: Hinata cheering Naruto up). And about Kiba I really don't think he has feelings for Hinata, just an older brother kind of thing (which often does give the romantic illusion). Has Kiba blushed around Hinata? No. Has Kiba ever indicated he was romantically interested in Hinata? No. Does Kiba know about Hinata's feelings for Naruto? He's probably the best informed on it and I haven't sensed a single undertone of jelousy. Maybe a protective brother feeling, but not a jelous tone. Hinata becoming mature by giving up on Naruto? Actually, it would be quite the opposite - showing that she would be giving back to her old inferiority complex ways and that's character deevolution. And like I mentioned in my anti-NaruSaku argument, unlike the SasukeSakura thing, there's loads of proof that shows us that Naruto makes Hinata mature instead of the other way around.
Oh, and about not receiving enough attention, that's what anime fillers are for. wink
I still don't think some whiney teenage fans are going to change much of the storyline path. Heck, I don't think Kishimoto knows much about them anyway, busy man that he is.
(Oh, and about Sonic, yes its true. The new game is supposed to resemble my loved Adventure series model and has really good reviews so far, but they still insist on giving Shadow a gun. Pity me. gonk )
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:03 pm
Reyairia I really don't think SasuSaku will happen. I really cannot see it after Part1. Sasuke will definately come back since I highly doubt in Kishimoto ending the manga as a tragedy, but Sasuke is -really- obsessed with Naruto. I mean, in the few times he has appeared post-timeskip, when has he talked about Sakura?
(Plus my seesaw theory)
In a way, GaaSaku would be even better than NaruSaku for Sakura and I explain why in the last paragraph.
I'm pretty sure Naruto has been acknowledging Hinata's existance since the third round of the chuunin exams where she cheered him up (Let me repeat that: Hinata cheering Naruto up). And about Kiba I really don't think he has feelings for Hinata, just an older brother kind of thing (which often does give the romantic illusion). Has Kiba blushed around Hinata? No. Has Kiba ever indicated he was romantically interested in Hinata? No. Does Kiba know about Hinata's feelings for Naruto? He's probably the best informed on it and I haven't sensed a single undertone of jelousy. Maybe a protective brother feeling, but not a jelous tone. Hinata becoming mature by giving up on Naruto? Actually, it would be quite the opposite - showing that she would be giving back to her old inferiority complex ways and that's character deevolution. And like I mentioned in my anti-NaruSaku argument, unlike the SasukeSakura thing, there's loads of proof that shows us that Naruto makes Hinata mature instead of the other way around.
Oh, and about not receiving enough attention, that's what anime fillers are for. wink
I still don't think some whiney teenage fans are going to change much of the storyline path. Heck, I don't think Kishimoto knows much about them anyway, busy man that he is.
(Oh, and about Sonic, yes its true. The new game is supposed to resemble my loved Adventure series model and has really good reviews so far, but they still insist on giving Shadow a gun. Pity me. gonk )
Well... after Part 1 I figured that if Sasuke turned all good, he'd go hook up with Sakura for whatever reason possible. HOWEVER, I do NOT think this will be the ending, in my opinion; Sasuke is far to caught up with revenge and as he said himself; the only way for him to kill Itachi is if he and Orochimaru become one, so... unless Naruto and Sakura stop him (which I think he'll hate them forever if they do) Sasuke is pretty much a goner.
Yes, I think Sasuke is close to Naruto - AS A BROTHERLY FIGURE (god, yaoi fangirls scare me), closer to Naruto than to Sakura, but that doesn't mean he CAN'T get closer to her IN THE FUTURE (if Kish decides to have a happy ending, that is).
And yes, there has been nothing to contradict it (except for the fact that during the Rescue Gaara Arc all Sakura thought of was: "kill Itachi for Sasuke" and "get information on Orochimaru from Sasori", then it was also that time that Gaara tried to kill her...
It hadn't really had anything to support it either. Whilst NaruSaku has.
*note FOR GaaSaku (or KankSaku): Sakura saved Kankurou's life, the sand-sibs are in debt to her.*
Uhm... as far as I remember, Hinata was busy fainting and Naruto vowed to defeat Neji not for her, but because Neji was being an a*****e and had classified both Naruto and Hinata as DROPOUTS - this being the only thing that the two of them have in common.
Anime filler must NOT be confused with canon.
Reminds me of that Shaman King author who was asked what he thought of the thoughts of the fans on the internet, he just told them he was WAY too busy wondering about that. But Kish DOES listen to some of us (prods the: "making the girls more important to the story + romance" part).
( gonk Someone needs to be SHOT. I mean... FINE, Shadow is a darker character... but a friggin' GUN?! *dies*)
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