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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:55 pm
Is it possible that we only realize that things exist when we encounter a contrast to that thing?
In other, more comprehensable terms, could it be that when we encounter the opposite of something, only then we realize that the thing is there at all?
This thought came to me when I was thinking about the nature of the senses. If there were only silence, would we even realize that we could hear? If there were no light, would we realize that we can see? Would we realize that silence or darkness even existed in the first place?
And that's when this thought struck: perhaps we only know there is darkness because we have experienced both light and darkness. Perhaps we only realize that silence is there because we have heard sounds.
This line of thinking immediately leads into the thought: if that is true, then is it possible that we are living in a world where we have dozens of senses that we haven't realized only because we have never experienced them? Or maybe we have experienced them, it's only that we haven't experienced a lack of them?
Well, I suppose that's enough rambling. Here's a discussion topic: is it possible that what I'm saying is coherent? How about possible? Ok, how about probable? What would be the consequences? Discuss the neverending philosophic problem of knowledge: how to we gain it?
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:17 am
Well, if there was no sound to hear and EM waves to see, evolution wouldn't have given us eyes and ears in the first place. So thinking about it from that angle, there are probably energies out there that we simply can't sense because there is no contrast to them... it's a flatline so to speak. We simply wouldn't evolve anything to sense a flatline that never changes. It surely wouldn't benefit the survival of any organism; only something that has variation is of importance. Then, it is probably debatable whether or not unvarying energies even exist...
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:31 pm
Starlock Well, if there was no sound to hear and EM waves to see, evolution wouldn't have given us eyes and ears in the first place. So thinking about it from that angle, there are probably energies out there that we simply can't sense because there is no contrast to them... it's a flatline so to speak. We simply wouldn't evolve anything to sense a flatline that never changes. It surely wouldn't benefit the survival of any organism; only something that has variation is of importance. Then, it is probably debatable whether or not unvarying energies even exist... Good points. I didn't even think about evolution...
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:03 am
I think there are definatly senses we posess that, at least, don't have a lablel stuck on them like seeing or hearing. Take instinct for example, it's quite possible that I'm using some 6th sence when I make decisions soley based on my own 'intuition', it just isn't recognized as comparable to seeing or hearing. This is not to say that it isn't just like seeing or hearing. I am sure there are hundreds of unknown 'senses' like this that exist. That would account for a percentage of the many unexplainable occurances that happen regularly in the world. (Do you follow that?...) Starlock Well, if there was no sound to hear and EM waves to see, evolution wouldn't have given us eyes and ears in the first place. So thinking about it from that angle, there are probably energies out there that we simply can't sense because there is no contrast to them... it's a flatline so to speak. We simply wouldn't evolve anything to sense a flatline that never changes. It surely wouldn't benefit the survival of any organism; only something that has variation is of importance. Then, it is probably debatable whether or not unvarying energies even exist... This is all under the assumption that evolution gave us eyes and ears in the first place. Is that the case or have they always existed on a human body? I suppose we have know way of knowing for sure.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:47 am
PunctureWounds I think there are definatly senses we posess that, at least, don't have a lablel stuck on them like seeing or hearing. Take instinct for example, it's quite possible that I'm using some 6th sence when I make decisions soley based on my own 'intuition', it just isn't recognized as comparable to seeing or hearing. This is not to say that it isn't just like seeing or hearing. I am sure there are hundreds of unknown 'senses' like this that exist. That would account for a percentage of the many unexplainable occurances that happen regularly in the world. (Do you follow that?...) It's very likely that intuition is simply a result of mental processing that reolves around your personal constructs (ie, your worldview which you use to make predictions about your envirnoment). It isn't a sense, it's cognition, which is why it appears to be set apart from the five senses... it IS. =) PunctureWounds Starlock Well, if there was no sound to hear and EM waves to see, evolution wouldn't have given us eyes and ears in the first place. So thinking about it from that angle, there are probably energies out there that we simply can't sense because there is no contrast to them... it's a flatline so to speak. We simply wouldn't evolve anything to sense a flatline that never changes. It surely wouldn't benefit the survival of any organism; only something that has variation is of importance. Then, it is probably debatable whether or not unvarying energies even exist... This is all under the assumption that evolution gave us eyes and ears in the first place. Is that the case or have they always existed on a human body? I suppose we have know way of knowing for sure. (chuckles) I can pretty much guarentee you've they've always existed on the human body. Sometimes this question would depend on where you draw the lines between species, but when humans evolved out of hominids, they had eyes to begin with since hominids all have eyes. We have all the senses that our near relatives had since we evolved out of them. Now if you're talking much father back, I'm not exactly sure where along the mamallian line our eyes come from. Eyes were evolved over a dozen times - seperately - in evolutionary lines, and I don't think I ever came across which line ours came out of in my studies.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:46 pm
First of all, I feel inclined to point out that silence and darkness are not tangible things but the lack of tangible things. Silence isn't there, darkness isn't there; silence and darkness are the state in which their contrasting elements (sound and light consecutively) are not there. As someone else said, without sound, we wouldn't have developed ears to pick up on it. Without light we wouldn't have developed eyes. Sound and light are two forms of energy that are central to the way species evolved and developed -- mammals, at least. Without them, we wouldn't have developed aparatus capable of detecting and/or making sense of them, and therefore we would have developed in totally different ways. Perhaps we would not exist at all, without sound or light.
BUT, if you look at it from the point of view of an individual... stick a baby in a dark, sound-proof room, for example, it is plausible to assume that the baby would grow up, and as a child, adolescent, and adult, would have no concept of either light or dark, sound or silence. We do not know what we have not sensed. We can't imagine something existing if we've never experienced something like it before.
So yes, it is feasible that we might have senses we don't know about because we've never had to use them, hone them, or grow strong with them. Just as that perfectly healthy baby can't imagine seeing or hearing, and lives as if deaf and blind, because he doesn't know any different, maybe there are things we can't fathom because we've never had to fathom them before.
The flipside of that coin is, though, that since (as a species) we haven't had any reason to attune to these senses, we may not actually have them. There may be levels of reality that we can't sense because we don't need to, and therefore we didn't develop the aparatus to sense them, so even if they were right under our noses, so to speak, we'd still have no clue of their existence.
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:51 am
We obtain knowledge just like our little brother the computer. By scanning data. Thought our scanners aren't as good as the computer's. Plus, everyone's scanner is different. Some people are set to drain more data by listening, and some people are set to drain more data by seeing.
And some need to do it to learn it.
These things are just scanners, they are just natural scanners that can't be seen. They are a part of our brain.
Actually they can be upgraded.
Since we are beings that develop by need, if we're using a scanner it is upgraded by a natural basis.
So if you use a scanner more often the scanner becomes more powerful.
All in all we're just like computers.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:38 am
AislinCade First of all, I feel inclined to point out that silence and darkness are not tangible things but the lack of tangible things. Silence isn't there, darkness isn't there; silence and darkness are the state in which their contrasting elements (sound and light consecutively) are not there. Yes they are.
"Heya bitches, light doesn't exist. It is simply an absense of dark. Yeah, and sounds doesn't exist either, it's just the absense of silence."
They both exist, they are both incompatable, but that's no reason to say that one of them doesn't exist. That they aren't there.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:39 am
Phaedrus17 Is it possible that we only realize that things exist when we encounter a contrast to that thing? In other, more comprehensable terms, could it be that when we encounter the opposite of something, only then we realize that the thing is there at all? No.
The Ancient Greeks were dealing the concepts of matter and substance long before the discovery of antimatter.
Disproven?
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:09 pm
Invictus_88 Phaedrus17 Is it possible that we only realize that things exist when we encounter a contrast to that thing? In other, more comprehensable terms, could it be that when we encounter the opposite of something, only then we realize that the thing is there at all? No.
The Ancient Greeks were dealing the concepts of matter and substance long before the discovery of antimatter.
Disproven?Minus the fact that metaphysical ideas don't fall into the category of being proven or disproven, sure, why not?
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:43 am
Invictus_88 AislinCade First of all, I feel inclined to point out that silence and darkness are not tangible things but the lack of tangible things. Silence isn't there, darkness isn't there; silence and darkness are the state in which their contrasting elements (sound and light consecutively) are not there. Yes they are.
"Heya bitches, light doesn't exist. It is simply an absense of dark. Yeah, and sounds doesn't exist either, it's just the absense of silence."
They both exist, they are both incompatable, but that's no reason to say that one of them doesn't exist. That they aren't there.Indeed, I find it a bit humorous when someone says that darkness doesn't exist. Who is to say that Darkness isn't just the absence of light? You can measure that as well as you can measure the absence of darkness.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:24 pm
It's the same concept used to explain the composition of colors to art students- black is the absense of color, while white is all colors because white light can be seperated out into all the different colors of the spectrum using crystals and black light doesn't exist (barring the halloween decorations...). Quote: They both exist, they are both incompatable, but that's no reason to say that one of them doesn't exist. That they aren't there. Very Harry Potterish- neither one can live while the other survives!
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:12 pm
Intuition, that chill down the back of your neck when you get that creepy feeling. All the so called senses of the paranormal variety that could be considered a "sixth sense". I may be going out on a limb here, but if we are including these as senses too, what are their opposites? If for us to have the knowledge of something does it have to have an opposing force? If that is the query then the question is does everything split evenly into a duality?
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