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Sinew
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:31 pm


http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0411/judge-rules.html

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Arizona judge rules against Libertarians in debate lawsuit


An Arizona Superior Court judge refused Tuesday to allow Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik into the third Bush-Kerry presidential debate -- and he rejected arguments that the debate to be held tonight at Arizona State University is being illegally financed with public funds.

David Euchner, the attorney representing the Libertarian Party of Arizona, argued that the university is violating the state constitution by giving public funds to only two of the three presidential candidates on the ballot -- President George W. Bush and Sen. John Kerry -- while excluding the third, Badnarik.

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Pendleton Gaines said the Libertarian Party waited too long to file suit. The suit naming the university and the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) was filed on Oct. 1.

But filing earlier would have been impossible, said Stephen Gordon, communications director for the Badnarik campaign.

"The Washington Post reported that Bush did not even agree to debate until Sept. 20," Gordon said. "The CPD did not announce who would be excluded until Oct. 6. We did this in the most timely manner possible.

"Additionally, we filed in enough time that this hearing could have occurred earlier than the day before the debate."

In the suit, the party sought one of two possible resolutions: Either the debate could be called off unless Badnarik was included, or the 17,000 registered Libertarian voters in Arizona could be reimbursed -- since tax money was being used to fund a debate from which their candidate had been excluded.

"There are three recognized parties in Arizona, the Democrats, the Republicans and the Libertarians, and they all have the same status," Gordon said in an American Politics Today interview Tuesday night.

"There are three candidates for president on the ballot, the Democrat, the Republican and the Libertarian. But only the Libertarian, Michael Badnarik, is being excluded from the debate."

The Libertarians have been unable to find out exactly how much public money is being spent on the debate, but representatives of the university admitted that they have not received enough private donations to recoup the estimated $2.5 million spent to host the event.

Also, the Tempe City Council contributed $20,000 to help defray the costs of the debate, and that money is certainly public funds, Gordon said.

As of Tuesday night, the judge's written ruling was unavailable. However, his decision did leave the party free "to seek compensation for damages" in a civil suit, Gordon noted.

No decision has been reached as to when such a suit would be filed, or exactly who the defendants would be.

"We are considering all of our options and it is safe to assume that you may expect more actions from us over the next few days," Gordon said.


I feel a great sympathy for all independant and third-party residents who had to pay for these debates. It's absolutely ridiculous that not only do they ignore the third-parties, but also make them pay through public funds. I have great respect for the Arizonian Libertarians, I would be foaming at the mouth.

P.S. - Think I remember reading you were from AZ, Hotaru Tome? Look forward to hearing a reply from you on this one.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:30 pm


The Libertarians from Arizona also have my simpathy. They were taken advantage of, and forced to pay for a debate of two parties they did not belong to.

GIoom
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Charley

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:46 pm


Whatever happened to no taxation without representation? Thats just zany.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:50 am


Charley
Whatever happened to no taxation without representation? Thats just zany.

Right on! Revolt time! Oh wait, our muskets are registered. Damn.

Sinew
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:52 am


*rolls eyes* The whole thing is crap, imo. I was hoping Badnarik was going to bust down the doors and demand to be included. But... alas... it did not happen. I SO would have driven the three hours to get there if he was included. I hate that MY tax money went into something I didn't even watch! BAH! (Well, I did listen to those idiots bicker on the radio)

We did, however, have a debate among the people running for senate here at the lovely Northern Arizona University, a few days ago. The Libertarian candidate was invited to it, and did debate. However, it was not widely publicized that he would be there. (Go figure >_>) So, that was uber awesome. And I'm ok that my taxes paid for that, if it did. Not sure though. Don't you love how your taxes can pay for stuff that you have no idea about?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:37 am


*nod* in senate debates I'm seeing more and more third party options included. In Indiana, they let on the Lib, and in NY I think it was the Conservative party.

*edit* Oh yeah, I remember seeing the Indiana one now, it was for governor, and Kenn Gividen was the name of the Libertarian, and he shares the sentiment with us that "taxes are inherently evil" surprised

Sinew
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GIoom
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:11 am


Hotaru Tome
*rolls eyes* The whole thing is crap, imo. I was hoping Badnarik was going to bust down the doors and demand to be included. But... alas... it did not happen. I SO would have driven the three hours to get there if he was included. I hate that MY tax money went into something I didn't even watch! BAH! (Well, I did listen to those idiots bicker on the radio)

We did, however, have a debate among the people running for senate here at the lovely Northern Arizona University, a few days ago. The Libertarian candidate was invited to it, and did debate. However, it was not widely publicized that he would be there. (Go figure >_>) So, that was uber awesome. And I'm ok that my taxes paid for that, if it did. Not sure though. Don't you love how your taxes can pay for stuff that you have no idea about?
I would have driven to the debates from Southern California, if Micheal Badnarik was included.
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