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 Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:44 am
STEM CELL RESEARCH Basicly I want to know if you are for or against stem cell research. Please read some of the research I have done to understand the topic beter and please explain exaactly why you have the opinion you do.Obviously all the usual rules apply for a topic like this. If you want to debate thats fine but dont yell at people and call them names. Everyone is entitled tot here opinion and no opinion is really wrong (thats why they are called opinions)Definition, Timeline, and other research.As many of you know in 2005 President Bush Vetoed a bill that would fund stem cell research, he said "It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect. So I vetoed it." In 2004 there were only 22 stem cell lines available for research, It is possible to donate cord blood through certain corporations and in some cases embryos, as long as the donors give there written consent. Those are privatly funded I dont know what sort of laws are in place for donating. Stem cell research crosses the same line that abortion does......The debate isnt whether or not its right or wrong, the debate is whether or not an embryo is actually alive. So please everyone read up I would love to here yout stand on this topic. Wotfan
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:28 pm
Wait, I can't find the extensive research?? I just see one link to wikipedia, is that your personal research or just a link?
Anyways, it's not just a simple it's embryos/life debate. If that was the case, then all the aborted ones and even the large amount for in vitro fertilization would fall under that umbrella.
My beef is that abortion is legal. The matter leftover is getted disposed of anyways, why not have someone benefit from a sad, but legal, situation?
And really, if it's so "moral" what about those using in vitro fertilization to get pregnant? Why is it okay to dispose of the extra ones the couples aren't using? Why not benefit from that or at least let them have the option of allowing them to be used for research.
Also, I'm not overly angry with the Bush veto, because he vetoed federal funding of stem cell research. It's not banned, luckily private companies can still do research. At least it's something. I would be pretty upset over a ban, much as I would be upset over banning abortion. Strange I know.
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:36 am
Sorry my research hasnt gotten very far yet. Problem I seem to be having is that there isnt any unbiased research. I am working on it if anyone has any links please send them to me.
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:01 am
I am very for it.
Think of the women who go in for IVF because they can't get pregnant naturally - they have multiple cells/embryos all prepared for use, but most never get used.
Also, with abortions, would you prefer the embryo be tossed with the medical waste?
I prefer in both of these situations that the embryos, rather than sitting around in storage forever or being tossed with the trash are used.
If these are never going to become babies, why not use them to help the lives of babies and people who ARE alive?
I think it's selfish not to use them.
On the issue of cord blood, never private bank, as it's a scam.
Only about 10% of cord blood has the neccessary cells anyway, so thousands of people are paying for private storage of useless goo. If you have it removed, donate it to the public banks. It only takes a millisecond for the doctor to remove it from the umbilical cord, but after that, the chance of getting it is gone forever.
If either of these could cure AIDS, cancer, or ANYTHING... why would we not take advantage of it? These are not living beings. They're a group of cells. If I cut off a chunk of my finger, that's a group of cells too.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:00 am
I think stem cell research should be allowed. I think that if the fetus would be aborted anyway, then allowing its cells to be used for research is actually creating something positive from a negative situation. I don't think fetuses should be aborted just for this purpose and I don't believe in cloning, but abortion is LEGAL, so I don't understand why stem cell research isn't.
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:02 pm
I am of the belief that it's sad when any life dies. However, I do think that life should not be wasted and should be used to its fullest potention. Like to go hunting? Fine. But skin the deer and keep the pelt. Make sure that ALL the edible meat is eaten. Turn the bones into bonemeal. Use as much of the body as you possibly can. Otherwise, it is just disrespectful to the deer whose life you took.
Same applies to stem cells. They aren't going anywhere. 99% of the time, they are going to just die anyway. So why not make them useful? Why not use them to help improve the lives of the millions of people suffering from cureable diseases? It causes them no pain. To me, stem cell research is no different from organ donation from a cadaver.
If Bush feels that the use of human tissue for medical purposes is so immoral, why doesn't he just pass a bill that bans all organ donation?
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:24 pm
Akhakhu If Bush feels that the use of human tissue for medical purposes is so immoral, why doesn't he just pass a bill that bans all organ donation? God, don't give him any ideas. That sounds like something he seriously would try.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:24 pm
Savina Akhakhu If Bush feels that the use of human tissue for medical purposes is so immoral, why doesn't he just pass a bill that bans all organ donation? God, don't give him any ideas. That sounds like something he seriously would try. I guess I was counting on him not reading through the Teen Sex, etc... guild of GaiaOnline. Assumptions make an a** out of you and mptions. My bad sad
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:46 pm
Akhakhu Savina Akhakhu If Bush feels that the use of human tissue for medical purposes is so immoral, why doesn't he just pass a bill that bans all organ donation? God, don't give him any ideas. That sounds like something he seriously would try. I guess I was counting on him not reading through the Teen Sex, etc... guild of GaiaOnline. Assumptions make an a** out of you and mptions. My bad sad LOL, don't you know? He's spying on anyone he thinks is a terrorist. That could mean you... or me... I mean, if you've ever said anything bad about a cheeseburger I bet he thinks you're the devil incarnate.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:47 pm
Savina LOL, don't you know? He's spying on anyone he thinks is a terrorist. That could mean you... or me... I mean, if you've ever said anything bad about a cheeseburger I bet he thinks you're the devil incarnate. A pretzel, on the other hand... Sorry, this is getting off topic, rofl.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:02 pm
lunashock My beef is that abortion is legal. The matter leftover is getted disposed of anyways, why not have someone benefit from a sad, but legal, situation? First off, aborted fetuses can't be used for stemcell research, as they cells have all been assigned what they will become (ie. liver cells, skin cells, brain cells etc). Think of it this way. If I have some sand (stem cells from a young embro), I can make it into anything. Glass, a sand castle, cement, addition to my worm farm etc. If I turn that sand into glass (old embry/fetus) I can not turn it into anything else. If I break it (abort), I can not use the peices to make another glass. Stem cell research can be used to cure many diseases, and help millions of born people, and millions more in the future. Embryos from IVF treatment would have been thrown away anyway, so I see no reason not to use them for vital research. One of the arguments is the 'potential' of the embryos to become children. Well, first they'd have to be sucessfully implanted into a woman. I hear that most IVF treatments fail. Second, there would have to be a healthy pregnancy resulting in a live birth in order for there to be a child. All of these things *might* happen, but they are definatly not sure things. It's like saying an acorn might become a 300 year old oak tree, so we shouldn't let the squirrel eat it so it to keep itself alive. Lastly, embryos are alive. You can't get stem cells from dead cells.
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