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 Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:31 pm
Why do Cloud and Aerith show up in FF tactics? (If any of you have played it.)
Cloud sees Aeris on the streets, but she doesn't KNOW him. He met her the same way he met her in FFVII, she was selling flowers. Aeris asks if Cloud is reminded of someone when he looks at her, but he denys it.
Aeris or the "flower girl" who looks like Aeris, has no recollection of Cloud at all. :/
I've always wonder.. the significance of this?
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:58 pm
hmm. interesting i must figure this out...maby her brain was switched with someone else..yes. that must be it!
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:50 pm
No, it's not a Cleris proof. Aerith only makes a cameo, and there is no romantic script involved.
Cloud appearing is just a Square staple, since in pretty much every spinoff there has been at least one cameo. And makes for a fun sidequest. biggrin One possible explanation is, this is where Cloud ends up when he disappears into the Lifestream. smile
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:23 pm
I was wonde rwhat they where doing there. I was trianing Cloud and I forget to get his weapon.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:51 pm
i think the significance of it was that, in some way, all of the final fantasy have a connection to all of the other games. i am thinking that final fantasy tactics was what the world was like way after the events of FF7. because if you have played the game as much as me and my friends have, on certain missions you find materia, like the black materia, possibly the one sephiroth used, and during the game when you are finding the zodiac stones you have to escavate for it and the game does mention that there is long forgotten technology from and ancient civilization. possibly saying the the events of tactics are indeed what happened way after the events of final fantasy 7. i think the scene that you see between Cloud and the flower girl/aeris/aerith is maybe saying that because aeris/aerith was an acient that she was lets say.....reincarnated or that the life steream was justing putting an image of her for cloud or that he was having a flashback of some kind. believe what you want to believe but i think that tactics and ff7 are more closely related than most people think. if you want to have a slightly less concrete connection with the two games look at the cat monsters they look a lot like Red 13/nanaki.....so yeah i've said what i wanted to say
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:04 pm
that game was perfect, i don't know why you care
but to amuse you, it was when cloud was going crazy, and was lost...i guess it was his time spent where he was lost in his mind...hence the other world...and it was just a nice addition, what you didn't like it?
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:27 pm
Jusy No, it's not a Cleris proof. Aerith only makes a cameo, and there is no romantic script involved. Cloud appearing is just a Square staple, since in pretty much every spinoff there has been at least one cameo. And makes for a fun sidequest. biggrin One possible explanation is, this is where Cloud ends up when he disappears into the Lifestream. smile It may not be but lots of Cleris like to see it as proof of CloudxAeris cannon. Also along with their names in Zeno Gears, the intro to Idaki Street, and ending of KH although it as been proven that Tifa is Cloud's light.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:54 pm
*Sigh* First of all RxH it HASN'T been proven Tifa's Cloud's light. She says she'll give him HER light, not his. In fact, it more appears that Cloud's light is within himself.
Second of all, I wouldn't take FF Tactics alone to be Cleris proof, but when it's piled on top of all their OTHER cameos together, it seems like SE is really pushing this couple alot, going so far as to put them along side other cameo couples(Itadaki Street Special for example, Cloud and Aeris were shown together in the intro, also the Coca Cola figure wrappers, Squall and Rinoa and Cloud and Aeris grace the cover)
We tend to take the repeated mentions of Cloud and Aeris to mean that SE considers them a couple.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:17 pm
Zarloft i think the significance of it was that, in some way, all of the final fantasy have a connection to all of the other games. i am thinking that final fantasy tactics was what the world was like way after the events of FF7. because if you have played the game as much as me and my friends have, on certain missions you find materia, like the black materia, possibly the one sephiroth used, and during the game when you are finding the zodiac stones you have to escavate for it and the game does mention that there is long forgotten technology from and ancient civilization. possibly saying the the events of tactics are indeed what happened way after the events of final fantasy 7. i think the scene that you see between Cloud and the flower girl/aeris/aerith is maybe saying that because aeris/aerith was an acient that she was lets say.....reincarnated or that the life steream was justing putting an image of her for cloud or that he was having a flashback of some kind. believe what you want to believe but i think that tactics and ff7 are more closely related than most people think. if you want to have a slightly less concrete connection with the two games look at the cat monsters they look a lot like Red 13/nanaki.....so yeah i've said what i wanted to say also to back up zarloft's idea, Ivalice was the main place of FFTactis. Ivalice appears again in FFIV (The Red Wings appear in both stories) and it will appear again in FFXII
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:28 pm
SefieGainsborough *Sigh* First of all RxH it HASN'T been proven Tifa's Cloud's light. She says she'll give him HER light, not his. In fact, it more appears that Cloud's light is within himself. Nomura Interview in KHII Ultimania http://maiki.livejournal.com/351209.htmlQ. Speaking of Tifa, there's an event where she talked to Cloud after beating Sephiroth. A. In Nojima-san's scenario, it explained Cloud and Tifa's connection more in-depth but I deleted it away. I thought it would be more interesting to let the gamers think about it. For example, "If Cloud's darkness is Sephiroth, then Tifa is light"; in that sense you can take it that Tifa isn't really human. The reason Tifa doesn't talk to anyone else besides Sora and co. may be because she doesn't exist as a human. Of course, I also presented her in a way that she could also be a resident of Hollow Bastion, so I think you can feely think for yourself about her. So yes Tifa is Cloud's light end of discustion. SefieGainsborough Second of all, I wouldn't take FF Tactics alone to be Cleris proof, but when it's piled on top of all their OTHER cameos together, it seems like SE is really pushing this couple alot, going so far as to put them along side other cameo couples (Itadaki Street Special for example, Cloud and Aeris were shown together in the intro, also the Coca Cola figure wrappers, Squall and Rinoa and Cloud and Aeris grace the cover) We tend to take the repeated mentions of Cloud and Aeris to mean that SE considers them a couple. None of it is Cleris proof because their not cannon to the actual FF7 game. That would be like me saying that because Tifa is Clouds light in KH that means that they must be the cannon couple in FF7. Now that doesn’t make much sense now dose it. Oh and about the Coca Cola figure wrappers that really doesn’t mean anything since there are now posters of AC Cloud and Tifa together and also Cloud is shown with Sephiroth more then Aeris or Tifa put together dose that make Cloud and Sephiroth a cannon couple? No.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:26 pm
RxH- He's been leavin stuff about KH up to fan interpretation for years now. " I also presented her in a way that she could also be a resident of Hollow Bastion, so I think you can feely think for yourself about her. "
And if she is Cloud's light then...she's not a real person according to Nomura, there fore not a lover, so...how does that help CloTi???
As for the Cleris stuff EVERYWHERE- No, Cloud's been shown with Aeris ALOT more, and Tifa was the poster girl of AC.
It says something to me that SE uses Cleris so much more often than CloTi.
Now, I'm sick of debating with you, so if you post anythign after this I'm simply going to ignore it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:43 pm
If you'd like to debate whether Cloti or Cleris is canon, then please take it to the appropriate thread in the Honeybee Manor. However, I WOULD like to make a point.
Cleris and Cloti are just two of the many interpretations that one can make from the game itself, as well as from it's spinoffs. When I first played through, I saw nothing romantic in how Cloud interacted with the girls. Whenever I play through the game, their relationships (all of them) come off as platonic, like they are probably one of the most dysfunctional families you could ever have the pleasure of meeting. How one interprets the game, Advent Children, and all that stuff pertaining specifically to Final Fantasy VII is their own business, but until Square-Enix puts out the word in official print, there will never really be an 'official' pairing to rule them all. Neither pairing is more canon than the other.
Back onto the topic of the thread, I myself have never played the game, but have continuously heard of Cloud's cameo. To be honest, I was more into seeing what kind of dress they had Aerith in at this time, since I'd seen in a screenshot of the scene where she makes her appearance that she is wearing something different.
Although, like mentioned before by a few others, I figured that (originally) it was just Square dishing out the fanservice. However, after playing through X-2, there is at least a hint that some, but not all, of the Final Fantasies are linked in some manner or form to Final Fantasy VII.
That, or is was another bit of shameless self promotion, like how they so subtly advertised their other game, Xenogears, while Cloud was off in his happy Lala Land, or how in Xenogears, there is a poster of Tifa in an apartment in the capital of Solaris.
Oi, Square-Enix, have you no pride? xd
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:17 am
On that note, Nomura said himself that he liked to imagine FFVII and FFX were connected, and that Shinra had gone to investigate the energy left behind by the Aeons and that's how Shinra company was born.
And I"m sorry for debating, but I posted why we Cleris felt like Tactics was proof and then RxH came in as usual and had to debate with me.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:33 pm
RanmaxHikaru Nomura Interview in KHII Ultimania http://maiki.livejournal.com/351209.htmlQ. Speaking of Tifa, there's an event where she talked to Cloud after beating Sephiroth. A. In Nojima-san's scenario, it explained Cloud and Tifa's connection more in-depth but I deleted it away. I thought it would be more interesting to let the gamers think about it. For example, "If Cloud's darkness is Sephiroth, then Tifa is light"; in that sense you can take it that Tifa isn't really human. The reason Tifa doesn't talk to anyone else besides Sora and co. may be because she doesn't exist as a human. Of course, I also presented her in a way that she could also be a resident of Hollow Bastion, so I think you can feely think for yourself about her. So yes Tifa is Cloud's light end of discustion.
what he meant you can freely think for yourself
he's saying which ever way you think it doesnt matter
because it doesnt effect ffvii
you can tell yourself tifa is cloud's light a billion times
I mean whatever floats your boat
but does that mean anything? no sir :]
oh and if you read correctly
"Tifa is light" NOT "Tifa is Cloud's Light"
end of discussion
as for tactics this is my take on it yo
-------------------------------------------->>>>>
What is terribly interesting about this game
is that it was already being produced
before FFVII was even released
So any claims that Aerith's appearance with Cloud in this game was mere "fan service" are negated
When this game was being produced
there were no rabid CloTi fans or ClAeris fans to satisfy
They had no reason to service fans that did not yet exist
They were merely following up on the romance in FFVII
that of Cloud and Aerith
In Final Fantasy Tactics, Cloud appears
stating he has "lost a very important thing"
He also states that he is "searching for the Promised Land"
This final statement is reminiscent of Cloud's statement at the end of FFVII ("......I think I'm beginning to understand. An answer from the planet... the Promised Land... I think I can meet her... there...")
and proves that he is searching for Aerith in this game
He also repeats the same lines that he spoke during Aerith's death scene ("What's this? My fingers are tingling... My eyes... they're burning...")
and states "I must go to that place".
Aerith also appears in the game as a flower girl
Cloud stumbles across her after being summoned into that world by Ramza
who uses a Holy stone to do so
While this incarnation of Aerith doesn't recognize Cloud
she is named "Aeris" by Knave
who kidnaps her
Cloud then shows up and rescues the flower girl
telling Knave to get his "filthy hands" off Aeris
It is also interesting to note that Cloud is the only male in FFT that can equip a Ribbon (And who wore a ribbon in FFVII? Aerith!)
Not only that but Cloud has a new final Limit Break in FFT
That's right, no more Omnislash
This time around, Cloud has Cherry Blossoms, an elemental attack that involves flowers(And whos the flower girl? Aerith!)
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:58 pm
Cloud is an.....extra charater. You don't HAVE to get him, but it's a good idea 'cause he kicks a**. And there's even a whole sidequest with a person that's the closest they can get to Sephiroth in the game. Woot.
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