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 Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:38 am
Could someone please outline basic grammer rules of Finnish in simple human words. razz
Verb Conjugation
Cases
Grammer
How words are put togther
consonant graduation
(oh,and,I told someone on DA this: "Sä oot niin kaunis".Is that correct?If it's not then..opps. rofl )
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:18 am
I don't dare to try to explain the grammars now, but if no one else's not going to answer then I'll try. Jazzy-Devine (oh,and,I told someone on DA this: "Sä oot niin kaunis".Is that correct?If it's not then..opps. rofl ) Yep, that's right 3nodding (If you meant to say "You're so/really beautiful", that is)
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:44 pm
Yep that's what I ment to say!
It didn't know if the "Kaunis" part was right.
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:08 pm
I could always make some basic grammar post here, but this language is so full of exceptions after exceptions after exceptions. And I can't even always explain why things are the way they are so... sweatdrop
And in English... (I had to check half of those fancy words on your first post and I still don't know what consonant graduation means! xD Is it when the consonants change or are dropped out when words are declined?)
But I'm sure I'll make this kind of a thread one day... At least I want to... burning_eyes
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:44 pm
consonant graduation= when you add a case onto a Finnish word and the letters change to accommodate the word.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:02 am
That stuff is hard in Finnish. Especially Conjugation. ;o Well, I can try something.
Verb Conjugation:
I'll take a short, simple word... Hmm... Well, for example, uida. (swim)
perusmuoto (basic form): uida (swim)
When conjugating it on... or in... (I suck at prepositions XD) persons, last letters usually drop away from the basic form. In this case, they are d and a. Then letter or few are put to the end, depends what person it is.
minä uin (I swim) = -n
sinä uit (you swim) = -t
hän ui (he/she swims) = none in this case
me uimme (we swim) = -mme
te uitte (you swim) = -tte
he uivat (they swim) = -vat
Let's take another example. Lukea (read).
perusmuoto: lukea
dropping letters: k and a
minä luen = -n
sinä luet = -t
hän lukee = now only a was dropped away, and -e comes to the end
me luemme = -mme
te luette = -tte
he lukevat = -vat
Finnish verbs are mostly irregular. I mean, there's really no rules which letters drop.
Now, let's take a longer verb. Kirjoittaa (write).
perusmuoto: kirjoittaa
dropping letters: -taa
minä kirjoitan = -an
sinä kirjoitat = -at
hän kirjoittaa = same as the basic form, -taa
me kirjoitamme = -amme
te kirjoitatte -atte
he kirjoittavat -tavat
And then... Sanoa (say).
Only a drops away.
minä sanon = -n
sinä sanot = -t
hän sanoo = -o
me sanomme = -mme
te sanotte = -tte
he sanovat = -vat
As you see, hän-muoto (he/she form = 3rd form) is almost always irregular. It conjugates differently almost every time. Usually when verb ends with a vocal after dropping the letters, 3rd form continues with same vocal. As in word sanoa.
perusmuoto: sanoa -- hän sanoo
And about all forms. If the verb ends to a consonant after dropping the letters, there's usually added a vocal there. Like a in word kirjoittaa.
perusmuoto: kirjoittaa -- minä kirjoitan, not minä kirjoitn
I'm not a teacher, so I don't know the right terms and I'm not good at explaining things (hey, I'm only 15 XD), but I guess you got at least some basics. sweatdrop
Now try to conjugate a verb so I see have you got it correctly or am I just the worst teacher ever. XD Let's see... A short word... Laulaa (sing). I can say that it's almost same as "sanoa".
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:04 am
Actually, most Finnish verbs aren't irregular. We just don't need to understand the rules since we have learned the language by hearing it. The verb mostly has a body and then you have the conjugations with or without conconant graduation. Similiar bodies conjugate in the same way, so you could say there are X different conjugations in Finnish.
Also, it's good to know, that spoken and written Finnish vary A LOT. When we speak, we usually say the easiest and shortest form possible, no matter if it's grammatically correct. We drop letters and use passive a lot.
(in Finnish, passive has no subject in the sentence: For example: Let's go! = Let us go! > us. In Finnish: Mennään! > There's only a verb. However, people use passive in normal sentences too, 'cause it's easier. We are going now. = "Me menemme nyt." turns into > "Me mennään nyt.")
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:21 pm
laulan
laulat
laulaa
laulamme
laulamme
laulatte
laulavat
mrgreen
I'm accually pretty good with that,but that still helps so much!It's much more helpful than those complicated charts in books and on the internet.
Thanks!
I'm begging for your guys' help with cases!
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:02 am
That's all correct. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:14 am
Could someone post on Cases?
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:13 am
Wicked Actually, most Finnish verbs aren't irregular. We just don't need to understand the rules since we have learned the language by hearing it. The verb mostly has a body and then you have the conjugations with or without conconant graduation. Similiar bodies conjugate in the same way, so you could say there are X different conjugations in Finnish. Also, it's good to know, that spoken and written Finnish vary A LOT. When we speak, we usually say the easiest and shortest form possible, no matter if it's grammatically correct. We drop letters and use passive a lot. (in Finnish, passive has no subject in the sentence: For example: Let's go! = Let us go! > us. In Finnish: Mennään! > There's only a verb. However, people use passive in normal sentences too, 'cause it's easier. We are going now. = "Me menemme nyt." turns into > "Me mennään nyt.") Just thought that someone should answer. Though I couldn't really, or well, uh, at least some parts went wrong. sweatdrop But hey, now that I see you conjugating, I actually succeeded! 3nodding And I'd be very happy to help with the cases, but I don't even know what's that in Finnish. O_O
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:53 pm
Amitie Wicked Actually, most Finnish verbs aren't irregular. We just don't need to understand the rules since we have learned the language by hearing it. The verb mostly has a body and then you have the conjugations with or without conconant graduation. Similiar bodies conjugate in the same way, so you could say there are X different conjugations in Finnish. Also, it's good to know, that spoken and written Finnish vary A LOT. When we speak, we usually say the easiest and shortest form possible, no matter if it's grammatically correct. We drop letters and use passive a lot. (in Finnish, passive has no subject in the sentence: For example: Let's go! = Let us go! > us. In Finnish: Mennään! > There's only a verb. However, people use passive in normal sentences too, 'cause it's easier. We are going now. = "Me menemme nyt." turns into > "Me mennään nyt.") Just thought that someone should answer. Though I couldn't really, or well, uh, at least some parts went wrong. sweatdrop But hey, now that I see you conjugating, I actually succeeded! 3nodding And I'd be very happy to help with the cases, but I don't even know what's that in Finnish. O_O Thanks! Cases are where you add -lla -sta -t -in -ssa stuff like that.I found some sites explaing it,but they use such big words.It's surprising that is it easier to understand better from someone with English as a second language.I wish they explained stuff easier.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:42 am
Are you more confused with the meaning of different cases, and when to use which, or how the cases are made in the first place?
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:11 am
All of it.
And also when the letters in the word change sometimes when you add a case.
I'm pretty good with -ssa so it is the only one I use. rofl
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:28 pm
I'll try to get more into it when I update the grammar post again. ^^
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