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Knight of Shadows
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:13 pm


Here we will compare wicca in the show Charmed to that of the real religion.


(By the way, I know almost nothing about actual Wicca, so I will be asking a majority of the dumb questions)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:43 am


Is it even wicca that they use? I mean i have watched alot of episodes i used to record them everday so i could watch after school and i never heard a mention of wicca i might have just not been paying attention though.

Anyways well there isnt a whole lot in commen they kinda cast circles some times. But the whole ryming spell thing isnt for real your spells dont nead to ryme, though it is good to have a flow to them. I didnt notice but they probably use the correct herbs in the potions they make for the objective. They have a book of shadows which is just commen to alot of witches not just wiccans but it deals alot with demons i dont think demons even have anything to do with wicca since they are christan based.

CoonHillda


lordbirch
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:30 am


There have been mention of Wicca and Wiccans. They've made references to their wiccan duties.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:00 am


ANd in one episode - don't know name - Phoebe and Paige go to a wiccan coven and learn about the importance of the solstice. Also paige has on several occassions said she'd like to learn more about witchcraft and wiccan then just fighting demons.

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Starlock

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:17 am


Whether or not you consider "Charmed" to be Wicca depends on how broadly you define Wicca. Generally, though, the Charmed ones would *not* at all be considered Wiccan by the Neopagan community.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:05 pm


Starlock
Whether or not you consider "Charmed" to be Wicca depends on how broadly you define Wicca. Generally, though, the Charmed ones would *not* at all be considered Wiccan by the Neopagan community.
True, however they do practice magick, not so much the wiccan beliefs and such. Especially since they don't go into detail on the beliefs of Wiccan, except the personal gain issue.

13lackMagic
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Blaze1616

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:49 pm


Yes, they mention Wicca and the practice here or there. Especially in the Pentagon episode 4laugh
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:43 pm


13lackMagic
Starlock
Whether or not you consider "Charmed" to be Wicca depends on how broadly you define Wicca. Generally, though, the Charmed ones would *not* at all be considered Wiccan by the Neopagan community.
True, however they do practice magick, not so much the wiccan beliefs and such. Especially since they don't go into detail on the beliefs of Wiccan, except the personal gain issue.
many other religions have made use od magic way before wicca was created the use of magic does in no way define someone as a wiccan infact if someone told me i was a wiccan because i used magic i would hit them. 3nodding

I think i remember the one with the wiccan coven.

CoonHillda


Starlock

PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:15 am


CoonHillda
13lackMagic
Starlock
Whether or not you consider "Charmed" to be Wicca depends on how broadly you define Wicca. Generally, though, the Charmed ones would *not* at all be considered Wiccan by the Neopagan community.
True, however they do practice magick, not so much the wiccan beliefs and such. Especially since they don't go into detail on the beliefs of Wiccan, except the personal gain issue.
many other religions have made use od magic way before wicca was created the use of magic does in no way define someone as a wiccan infact if someone told me i was a wiccan because i used magic i would hit them. 3nodding

I think i remember the one with the wiccan coven.


Magic is *part* of Wicca, but it isn't all that Wicca is. Wicca is, first and foremost, a religion. That sometimes gets some people hung up, particularly if they become interested in the Craft because of a show like Charmed. I don't actually watch Charmed (I've seen a few dozen episodes but I don't watch it regularly), but decided to join here to help people out on the non-hollywood magical front. whee

If I had to peg Wicca in a few bullet points, it would probably look something like this:

-*- Wiccans have a ditheistic deity structure, believing in a God (solar) and a Goddess (lunar) whose interaction forms the basis of the world we live in. Many practitioners supplement this with additional deities from a single or multiple Pagan pantheons.
-*- There are only two "laws" in Wicca: the Rede (An it harm none, do what ye will) and the Law of Return (that which you do comes back to you; often this is refered to as the Threefold Law which states that what you do comes back to you threefold).
-*- Wiccans practice magic. As defined by Alesteir Crowley, magic is the art and science of bending reality in accordance with one's will.
-*- Form of practice is solitary or group (covens). There is some debate about whether or not lineaged initiation is required to claim the title "Wiccan" but it is generally accepted in the community that one can preform a self-dedication and claim the title Wiccan.
-*- Practices revolve around sabbats (eight solar/seasonal holidays) and esbats (usually full-moon rituals but can also refer to whenever a particular coven meets).
-*- The Wiccan symbol (as well as that for Witchcraft) is the upright pentacle. Wiccans also use a variety of tools when doing spellwork, some of the most common being the athame, chalice, wand, and cauldron.

But don't just listen to this uber-basic overview. The site I like to point people to is Wicca for the Rest of Us. Great site that hits all the basics and warns people of the dangers of taking Wicca to be a fandom or a fad.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:21 am


(Because its so too early to learn how to copy that point of Starlock's post xp )

Many teens do go into the religion as a sort of anarchy thing to piss of their parents or their religion.

I actually believe I was Wiccan before I knew it. When I was little I'd always like the elements and whatnot.

But for my friend (I'm not quite sure if this is true but I believe it to be) It was a rebel thing when she first gave me the book.

It isn't good to get into things just because mommy and daddy split up or your mom decides she needs to keep extra ties on you. Its also an insult to the religious community. Wiccans don't want to be known as the religion full of angry teens. And THATS what gives them a bad name.

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Starlock

PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:26 am


Konomiko92
[snipped for simplicity]
Many teens do go into the religion as a sort of anarchy thing to piss of their parents or their religion.

I actually believe I was Wiccan before I knew it. When I was little I'd always like the elements and whatnot.

It isn't good to get into things just because mommy and daddy split up or your mom decides she needs to keep extra ties on you. Its also an insult to the religious community. Wiccans don't want to be known as the religion full of angry teens. And THATS what gives them a bad name.


The comment that many are Wiccan (or at least Neopagan; not sure one should claim to be Wiccan so much without at least a dedication) before they knew it seems to be pretty common. A lot of us grow up with magical interests only to have them snuffed out by the adult world. That was something I noticed about adults when growing up... they were terribly closed-minded when it came to realms of the imagination and of magic. I never wanted to become like that. Perhaps it was my own "Peter Pan" moment as a kid... (heheh) You can't just wholely ignore your surrounding culture, though, so modern Witches and Neopagans just have to find a balance somewhere between embracing magic and the imagination and having oneself grounded in the 'mundane' world.

Perhaps teens embrace these things not neccesarily because they want to piss off their parents, but out of rebellion against the fact that the adult world tends to slam the doors on magic and imagination? Just an idea. I don't worry to omuch about those who enter into the Craft who do so only as a fad or for less-than-religious reasons. Chances are they'll grow out of it one way or another. 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:36 am


Starlock
[Part, I want to focus on is here]
Perhaps teens embrace these things not neccesarily because they want to piss off their parents, but out of rebellion against the fact that the adult world tends to slam the doors on magic and imagination? Just an idea. I don't worry to omuch about those who enter into the Craft who do so only as a fad or for less-than-religious reasons. Chances are they'll grow out of it one way or another. 3nodding
Are you saying those teens who enter it to keep their imaginations and belief in magic will drop it too? Only because I'm not sure I understand. Being a teen, I don't see many get into wiccan beliefs in any sense, only because those who do are looked at as 'meddling in the dark arts' or 'outcasts' etc.by peers and parents. [I'm not saying that's how I think, I'm just expressing what I see from my area. so no offense should be taken here... because being Wiccan sounds like a pretty good option to me... sweatdrop ]

13lackMagic
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`Germicide
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:54 pm


Starlock
Konomiko92
[snipped for simplicity]
Many teens do go into the religion as a sort of anarchy thing to piss of their parents or their religion.

I actually believe I was Wiccan before I knew it. When I was little I'd always like the elements and whatnot.

It isn't good to get into things just because mommy and daddy split up or your mom decides she needs to keep extra ties on you. Its also an insult to the religious community. Wiccans don't want to be known as the religion full of angry teens. And THATS what gives them a bad name.


The comment that many are Wiccan (or at least Neopagan; not sure one should claim to be Wiccan so much without at least a dedication) before they knew it seems to be pretty common. A lot of us grow up with magical interests only to have them snuffed out by the adult world. That was something I noticed about adults when growing up... they were terribly closed-minded when it came to realms of the imagination and of magic. I never wanted to become like that. Perhaps it was my own "Peter Pan" moment as a kid... (heheh) You can't just wholely ignore your surrounding culture, though, so modern Witches and Neopagans just have to find a balance somewhere between embracing magic and the imagination and having oneself grounded in the 'mundane' world.

Perhaps teens embrace these things not neccesarily because they want to piss off their parents, but out of rebellion against the fact that the adult world tends to slam the doors on magic and imagination? Just an idea. I don't worry to omuch about those who enter into the Craft who do so only as a fad or for less-than-religious reasons. Chances are they'll grow out of it one way or another. 3nodding


True. That reminds me of the whole Catcher in the Rye thing. The whole going into adulthood thing.

I dunno. My mother is a Super Christian and it bothers me alot. But I'm not Wiccan because of that.

I'm Wiccan because of the freedom I get. There are no 10 commandments and "Thou shall not"s There are only guidelines I guess you can call them and warnings.
But its not only Wicca that has that freedom. Paganism, Ive heard, has even more freedom.


The trouble I have is keeping my cool hearing: "Witchcraft is this, witchcraft is that." Its hard not to develop an opinion of Christians ya know?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:41 pm


Wicca is probably the one that teenagers get into the most because books on it seem to be the easiest to get ahold of and most are pretty user friendly you can even buy kits and such that arnt that expencive. I agree with what starlock said about the rebelling against adult hood thats probably something that strocked the fire inside of me and got me back into religion. This world is harsh cold and numbing and we need to hold on to our imaginations and dreams as tight as we can.

CoonHillda


`Germicide
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:38 am


CoonHillda
Wicca is probably the one that teenagers get into the most because books on it seem to be the easiest to get ahold of and most are pretty user friendly you can even buy kits and such that arnt that expencive. I agree with what starlock said about the rebelling against adult hood thats probably something that strocked the fire inside of me and got me back into religion. This world is harsh cold and numbing and we need to hold on to our imaginations and dreams as tight as we can.


*Applauds* In my oppinion Wicca and Paganism along with other religions are among the most wonderful religions because they still use imagination and believe that they can actually do something along with having an amazing respect for the world. No, they don't tie themselves to trees to keep it from beign cut down, but they take the time to respect nature and know that its something special and something that needs to survive in a world such as this.

As for the books, yes they're easy to get. What worries me is what exactly they're getting. I practically live in the Barnes and Noble. Most books are fairly harmless. Just little Chants about beauty and whatnot. And books about Wicca that explain clearly about it and how to get started in a way.

But some kids might find the higher magick books (I've seen them myself) And yet they aren't ready for those yet.

Along with that some might take Silver Ravenwolf as complete truth without looking through other books. Although she is a great author, her theroy of Wicca isn't exactly correct. Ya know?

But then again I'm 14 and have limited resources and have only been Wiccan for about 6 months. But I try my best to remain true to the religion and to not become a fluffy bunny. Thats all you can do ya know?
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