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DarkHalcyon

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:44 am


I wanted to post this here, since it's a non-Jewish holiday. As long as the moderator types don't mind.

For those of us who celebrate it (still an American holiday mostly, yes?) What're you doing this year? Going to dress up, make crazy decorations, terrorize the neighborhood? Do share ^^

So far I'm still working on getting all the pieces for my pirate costume. I'll also be co-hosting a party at my friend's apartment. heart

(by the way, this is like, my favorite secular holiday to boot.)
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:32 am


Nah, this is a chatting-ish forum, so feel free to post here. 3nodding


hmm....I might or might not go to a Halloween party, but in the event I do dress up, I will either be a sorceress, an elf, or a ninja. However, I'll probably not dress up at all. xp



October 31, 1517- Luther posted his 95 Theses on the door of Wittenburg Church in the Holy Roman Empire, starting the Reformation and the beginning of Protestantism. Euro drills things like this into your head. xp

darkphoenix1247
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DarkHalcyon

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:25 pm


darkphoenix1247
Nah, this is a chatting-ish forum, so feel free to post here. 3nodding


hmm....I might or might not go to a Halloween party, but in the event I do dress up, I will either be a sorceress, an elf, or a ninja. However, I'll probably not dress up at all. xp



October 31, 1517- Luther posted his 95 Theses on the door of Wittenburg Church in the Holy Roman Empire, starting the Reformation and the beginning of Protestantism. Euro drills things like this into your head. xp


Elves=awesome

Darkphoenix+elf=überawesome.

Getting a nice medieval-style looking costume can be expensive though. domokun
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:46 pm


Halloween = non-event in Aus

hit_the_floor


famusamu

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:59 am


We don't practice the heathen day of HELLoween. I've had to have a conference with my son Kaleb's Kindergarten teacher and his principle explaining why we don't celebrate it and asking that Kaleb not be exposed to anything dealing with it.

Oy Gevault they can be dense!!!!!!!! They were like we don't let the kids dress scary! Why not let him join? rolleyes My thoughts are a witch is a witch whether if she has a scary nose and bad teeth or has blue eyes and freckles!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:53 pm


But it's just for fun- they're not actually being witches or whatever; it's not like such a thing exists.

Why have your kid lose out on the fun? sweatdrop

darkphoenix1247
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nathan_ngl
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:17 am


Notice how Purim and Halloween are similar, yet so different... On purim we GIVE the candies (we dress up and go to our friends houses and GIVE the candy), but on halloween they just go around and take take take TAKE. Hmmm... Which is better? ...Yep, Purim rocks biggrin .
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:22 am


darkphoenix1247
But it's just for fun- they're not actually being witches or whatever; it's not like such a thing exists.

Why have your kid lose out on the fun? sweatdrop
The Torah says we are to have no part in heathen rituals such as helloween.


Where did the name Halloween come from?
Originally this Druid holiday was called "The Vigil Of Saman." In early Britain it was called Samhain, which is pronounced So-wein. When Roman Catholicism became a world political and religious power the pagan customs were still widely celebrated. In 800 A.D. the Roman Catholic church moved "All Saints' Day" from May to November 1st. All of the "saints" who did not have a special day in their honor on the Catholic calendar were to be honored on All Saints' Day. It was also a time to pay respect to the dead by visiting their graves. The "new day" that was to replace the pagan vigil of the dead was called "All Hallow's Day". It soon became the custom to call the evening before "All Hallow's Eve, which was soon shortened to Halloween. The important fact to note is that the intended "Christianization" of the pagan day miserably failed. The Catholic Encyclopedia even admits it. It says: "The night of October 31st and the vigil of the feast of All Saints, Halloween derives its name from an older English term, All Hallow's Eve, although its traditions derive from pagan worship. An important source of the customs of Halloween was the Druidic religion of pre-Christian Gaul and Britain."

What is the origin of costumes?
The early origin of costumes is repulsive. On the evening of October 31st, the Druids ordered the people to put out their hearth fires. Then they built huge new year's bonfires of oak branches, which they considered sacred. They burned animals, crops and human beings as sacrifices to their g-ds and g-ddess. During this diabolical ritual the PEOPLE WORE COSTUMES made of animal heads and skins. They then practiced divination, looked for omens in the struggle of the victims sacrificed in the fires, jumped over the flames or dashed through them, danced and sang. All of this was done to frighten the evil spirits away. Further, they believed "Saman would then send evil spirits to attack people on the eve before the November 1st celebration. The only way these people could escape was by assuming disguises and looking like the evil spirits themselves."

What is the origin of the bonfire?
According to The Oxford English Dictionary, the word bonfire is derived from the word bone-fire, so called because it was a great fire in which bones were burned in the open air. The Druids held two main great ritual fire festivals each year when humans and animals were burned in sacrifice to their gods. One was held on Beltane (May eve, April 30) and the other on Samhain or Halloween. The next day, divination was done based on the bones remaining. These ritual fires were called bone-fire.

What is the origin of Trick or Treat?
Now, just by chance if you had forgotten to dress up or could not fool the evil spirits by dressing in animal skins or other disguises, there was a way to exorcise them. People were to set out a TREAT of food and fruit, and provide the wandering spirit with shelter for the night. If the demon spirit was satisfied with your TREAT, it was believed that he would not TRICK you by casting an evil spell on you thereby causing havoc.

There is another shocking account of Trick or Treat written by a former witch, Irene Park. She says:

The Druids in Ireland would go through the neighborhoods and countryside on the eve of October 31st to collect offerings to Satan. They would carry lanterns, bags of money, and canes with very sharp points on the ends (currently known as leprechaun staffs, good luck horns, or fairies' wands). At each house, they would demand a specific amount. If the household would not or could not give the offering (penance or treat), the Druid would
use the cane to castrate the male human or one of their prize animals.

What is the origin and significance of the Jack-O-Lantern?
According to the Encyclopedia, "The apparently harmless lighted pumpkin face of "Jack-O-Lantern" is an ancient symbol of a damned soul."

One article I was reading said that pumpkins and turnips were for much the same reason that costumes were used at one time. Superstitious people hollowed out turnips or pumpkins placing candles inside to scare evil spirits away from their houses. Another book I read says, "The candlelit pumpkin or skull...served as a beacon for the sabbat and as a signal to mark those farms and homes that were sympathetic to the Satanists and thus deserving of mercy when the terror of the night (Halloween) began." The carved pumpkin may have originated with the withces' use of a skull with a candle in it to light the way to coven meeting. But among the Irish, who, as noted, caused the popularization of Halloween in America, the legend of 'Irish Jack' explains the Jack-O-Lantern. The legend goes: There was a stingy drunk named Jack who tricked the devil into climbing an apple tree for an apple but then cut the sign of a cross into the trunk of the tree preventing the devil from coming down. Jack forced the devil to swear he would never come after Jack's soul. The devil reluctantly agreed. Jack eventually died but was turned away at the gates of Heaven because of his drunkenness and life of selfishness. He was next sent to the devil who also rejected him keeping his promise. Since Jack had no place to go, he was condemned to wander the earth. As he was leaving Hell (he happened to be eating a turnip), the devil threw a live coal to him. He put the coal inside the turnip! and has since forever been roaming the earth with his 'jack-o-lantern' in search of a place to rest. Eventually, pumpkins replaced turnips since it was much easier to symbolize the devil's coal inside a pumpkin.

What is the significance of bobbing for apples?
In A.D. 43 the Roman Empire was in solid control of the Celtic people. As a result of this control the idol worshipping Romans introduced another ceremony honoring their false g-ds and g-ddesses (particularly the festival of Pamona) to the already demoniacal Druid New Year's celebration. They would try to grasp fruit, floating in water, without the use of their hands. This is the origin of BOBBING FOR APPLES.



These are just SOME of reasons we don't celebrate helloween in my house!

famusamu


angelic elf

PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:23 pm


How can you get preasents from Santa on Christmas when you've been a bad BAD boy on Halloween?! xd

And now for somthing else....

@famusamu - Why have named your son Kaleb?
Beside the famous Tanach character...
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:31 pm


angelic elf
How can you get preasents from Santa on Christmas when you've been a bad BAD boy on Halloween?! xd

And now for somthing else....

@famusamu - Why have named your son Kaleb?
Beside the famous Tanach character...


Kaleb is my step-son, his mother named him for Kaleb in the Tanach. We have a son together we named Joshua biggrin

famusamu


angelic elf

PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:31 pm


famusamu
angelic elf
How can you get preasents from Santa on Christmas when you've been a bad BAD boy on Halloween?! xd

And now for somthing else....

@famusamu - Why have named your son Kaleb?
Beside the famous Tanach character...


Kaleb is my step-son, his mother named him for Kaleb in the Tanach. We have a son together we named Joshua biggrin

Old-fashion all the way wink

Lovely names, not like most of the names you can find today..(Who the hell calls his daughter "Nachala"?!?!?!?! gonk )
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:34 pm


angelic elf
famusamu
angelic elf
How can you get preasents from Santa on Christmas when you've been a bad BAD boy on Halloween?! xd

And now for somthing else....

@famusamu - Why have named your son Kaleb?
Beside the famous Tanach character...


Kaleb is my step-son, his mother named him for Kaleb in the Tanach. We have a son together we named Joshua biggrin

Old-fashion all the way wink

Lovely names, not like most of the names you can find today..(Who the hell calls his daughter "Nachala"?!?!?!?! gonk )



Every see some of Hollywood actors baby names?? Jermaine Jackson (one of Michael Jacksons older brothers) named his son Jermajesty. Michael Jackson's sons are Prince Michael I and Prince Michael II. Jason Lee of "Chasing Amy" fame and his fiance, Beth Riesgraf, named their son Pilot Inspektor.

Isn't 'nachala' German for left behind?? Like an inheritence? Isn't the masculine form of the name Nahal in Ivrit??

famusamu


DarkHalcyon

PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:32 am


famusamu
What is the origin of costumes?
The early origin of costumes is repulsive. On the evening of October 31st, the Druids ordered the people to put out their hearth fires. Then they built huge new year's bonfires of oak branches, which they considered sacred. They burned animals, crops and human beings as sacrifices to their g-ds and g-ddess. During this diabolical ritual the PEOPLE WORE COSTUMES made of animal heads and skins. They then practiced divination, looked for omens in the struggle of the victims sacrificed in the fires, jumped over the flames or dashed through them, danced and sang. All of this was done to frighten the evil spirits away. Further, they believed "Saman would then send evil spirits to attack people on the eve before the November 1st celebration. The only way these people could escape was by assuming disguises and looking like the evil spirits themselves."


Uhm, source please? The early pagans in Britain, last I read, did not sacrifice people.

Anyway, the US has taken the holiday, dumbed it down, and more or less stripped it of the ancient religious significance.

YOu can also make something good out of it. When I got too old to trick or treat, and my sister was still young enough, I used to take a UNICEF collection box with me instead of a treat bag and collect money for it. My school used to raise a lot of money for UNICEF that way.

And for the record, Purim is obviously way cooler, but unfortunately there aren't a whole lot of other Jewish kids around here to celebrate with. sad
PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:08 pm


I'm getting a costume tomorrow

I think of it this way halloween is just the sad goy's people pathetic attempt to be as cool as us, and if you're jewish halloween is a nice dress rehursal for purim. You know make sure everythign okay, your costume fits awsomely 3nodding I like the dressing up part not the candy.

I love purim cause I can personalize gifts and give people stuff.

YvetteEmilieDupont


DarkHalcyon

PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:05 am


>.> I just saw Nightmare Before Xmas in 3-d eek

I love Tim Burton. That is all.
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