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 Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:55 pm
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:30 am
heart &hearts heart And this probably explains why. =/ heart &hearts heart
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:54 pm
^^watching this makes me feel less americain.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:00 pm
THAT'S DISGUSTING AND HORRIBLE! scream
All those poor people died because of that AND the comments those a*****e, f***tards left are more than just mean!!!
I see why and I can guess because of the bombing of Tokyo. That happened after WWII right?
But why hate Italy or Canada? confused Well somethings in Canada I can see... but thigns have changed here. confused Didn't you enjoy your stay here?
But yeah... sad I feel bad for what happened and I wasn't involved. Nor born. cry Those poor people who were eating and that soldier that got incinerated. cry It's really horrible! I'm not proud to be over here. sad
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:35 pm
To quote Mikagi: THAT'S DISGUSTING AND HORRIBLE! scream
To unquote Mikagi: I am proud to be over here. biggrin
I don't have to be pro-bombing the heck out of other countries in order to say I'm proud to be an American. There is no denying the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely horrific and excruciating. Nobody over here is proud of it ('cept for those jerks who commented on that video with derogatory comments - they need shoes shoved down their throats). I still stand on the fact that, at the time, we didn't know what else to do. It had been, what, five years since the war started? Everyone was tired of fighting. Our economies were strained too. War brought the U.S. out of the depression, but we quickly sunk into many new economic problems. We'd just had V-E day, so the fighting in Europe was over, and suddenly Japan was left on its own.
So my question is, when the U.S. told Japan we were going to drop the A- bombs if they didn't surrender, why didn't they?
We were at war, everyone did horrible things. I'm no less proud of my country because of this event.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:45 pm
Akira_Hoshino To quote Mikagi: THAT'S DISGUSTING AND HORRIBLE! scream To unquote Mikagi: I am proud to be over here. biggrin I don't have to be pro-bombing the heck out of other countries in order to say I'm proud to be an American. There is no denying the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely horrific and excruciating. Nobody over here is proud of it ('cept for those jerks who commented on that video with derogatory comments - they need shoes shoved down their throats). I still stand on the fact that, at the time, we didn't know what else to do. It had been, what, five years since the war started? Everyone was tired of fighting. Our economies were strained too. War brought the U.S. out of the depression, but we quickly sunk into many new economic problems. We'd just had V-E day, so the fighting in Europe was over, and suddenly Japan was left on its own. So my question is, when the U.S. told Japan we were going to drop the A- bombs if they didn't surrender, why didn't they? We were at war, everyone did horrible things. I'm no less proud of my country because of this event. I don't think we ever warned them. I was researching the Hiroshima attack for a historical fiction project, and I found that they were debating whether or not to tell them. If I remember correctly (which I may or may not have), we never told them. And as for those awful posters--I just created an account on YouTube and left some pretty harsh comments. I hardly ever get this upset and post things like that online... And as for what I think of the attacks... I never knew much about them, honestly. But, when working on my project (still in progress--it's due next Friday), I learned so much. It was just so terrible. I read some of the survivor testimonies, and I felt so horrible (you have no idea). I really wanted to portray my story in the best way I could, and I hope I can show some of those idiots in my class (a few people are like the ones who left those comments) how it would feel if you were there. [/rant]
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:44 pm
Yes, it is terrible. Anyone who was vouching for using that thing needs to have some sort of turn of events where a bomb they fire comes back on their stinking backsides. All of the people who commented so ignorantly need to grow up, and even the most dirty cuss words wouldn't express just how angry I am at them like I really do feel. Those stupid people on YouTube with all the nasty things to say need to be placed in an empty town and have a nuclear bomb fired at them.
But please realize that most of the people back then who vouched for the bomb are old and senile now, and make up so little a percentage of America that they are really hard to find. And I seriously hope that Japanese people aren't so blinded by hate as to hate us even though we are sitting here crying with them.
And in case you haven't noticed, America isn't exactly a unified country right now. I'm personally counting the days until Bush gets kicked out of the White House. So even if there are idiots who clap for the bomb (who are actually probably just those sort of kids who sit at home and play war games all the time and only like something if it blows up), it really isn't fair for you to classify us with the others either.
To me, it's like you guys are firing a nuclear bomb of hate at us. Though I definitely don't truly know how painful the real bomb was, I know that THIS bomb hurts, and when Japanese people hate us for something we truly regret, it's like you guys take another step down to the hell that the people who fired that bomb were in.
Maybe I can't ask the Japanese people to forgive us. But I know that if I could have changed the past, I would have. The bomb was terrible, don't get me wrong, but the generation today didn't fire it, so please don't hate us for it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:40 pm
True, true to everything che_hyun said. I agree. Nothing else to say.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:29 pm
Sachi_x I don't think we ever warned them. I was researching the Hiroshima attack for a historical fiction project, and I found that they were debating whether or not to tell them. If I remember correctly (which I may or may not have), we never told them.[/rant] We definitely warned them. We gave them an ultimatum. But the Japanese government didn't believe we were serious (or actually had the technology, or whatever). Let's remember that the reason the American scientists invented the A-bomb was because we were competing to get it before Germany. If Germany had it, they would have dropped it right away, no doubt about that, and at us. The sequence of events would have been incredibly different, if it hadn't been for a Jewish scientist, Heidenberg, who was working on the A-bomb in Germany. Heidenberg was one step away from completely the atomic bomb before the U.S., but because he forgot to do a simply diffusion equation, he thought the project was impossible and would take far too much time to complete. The American scientists figured it out and, not knowing that the Germans had just abandoned the project, constructed the atomic bomb. There is a theory that Heidenberg purposely left out the A-bomb because he could see how horribly destructive its power would be. However, that is only speculation - we have no idea what was going on in Heidenberg's mind. But as a Jew, he had plenty of reasons for wanting to prevent the Nazis from getting their hands on such power. The U.S. did not know the project had been dropped; we thought we still had to race with Germany, and so the bomb was developed. After V-E day, we gave Japan the ultimatum, and their reply was translated as a refusal. I once read that the actual reply included the word 黙殺 "mokusatsu," which means "to ignore." The story stated that the Japanese reply to the ultimatum was translated to say "We choose to ignore your ultimatum," when really it was another word very similar to mokusatsu, which meant something like "we need more time" or something to that effect. I have no way of knowing if this story is true, but it is something I read. (Either way it doesn't really matter - you're not supposed to ask for "more time" after an ultimatum. ^0^") I'm not vouching for the use of the bomb. I think it's a terrible invention that has done nothing but cause more and more horrible problems in the entire world since. Now every nation wants nukes, and we can't get rid of them because if we did, we would be suspicious that some other nation hadn't and that they would use them on us. It's become a problem of national security. And of course there is no denying the innumerable innocent people who died needlessly when the bomb was dropped, or suffered severe aftereffects. But I still think the leaders of the U.S.A. did what they thought they had to, with no ill intentions. They wanted the war to end as much as anybody, but the Japanese government was relentless. That doesn't mean the use of the bomb was the right decision, but it certainly wasn't one made in pure cold-hearted hatred.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:05 pm
Akira_Hoshino Sachi_x I don't think we ever warned them. I was researching the Hiroshima attack for a historical fiction project, and I found that they were debating whether or not to tell them. If I remember correctly (which I may or may not have), we never told them.[/rant] We definitely warned them. We gave them an ultimatum. But the Japanese government didn't believe we were serious (or actually had the technology, or whatever). Let's remember that the reason the American scientists invented the A-bomb was because we were competing to get it before Germany. If Germany had it, they would have dropped it right away, no doubt about that, and at us. The sequence of events would have been incredibly different, if it hadn't been for a Jewish scientist, Heidenberg, who was working on the A-bomb in Germany. Heidenberg was one step away from completely the atomic bomb before the U.S., but because he forgot to do a simply diffusion equation, he thought the project was impossible and would take far too much time to complete. The American scientists figured it out and, not knowing that the Germans had just abandoned the project, constructed the atomic bomb. There is a theory that Heidenberg purposely left out the A-bomb because he could see how horribly destructive its power would be. However, that is only speculation - we have no idea what was going on in Heidenberg's mind. But as a Jew, he had plenty of reasons for wanting to prevent the Nazis from getting their hands on such power. The U.S. did not know the project had been dropped; we thought we still had to race with Germany, and so the bomb was developed. After V-E day, we gave Japan the ultimatum, and their reply was translated as a refusal. I once read that the actual reply included the word 黙殺 "mokusatsu," which means "to ignore." The story stated that the Japanese reply to the ultimatum was translated to say "We choose to ignore your ultimatum," when really it was another word very similar to mokusatsu, which meant something like "we need more time" or something to that effect. I have no way of knowing if this story is true, but it is something I read. (Either way it doesn't really matter - you're not supposed to ask for "more time" after an ultimatum. ^0^") I'm not vouching for the use of the bomb. I think it's a terrible invention that has done nothing but cause more and more horrible problems in the entire world since. Now every nation wants nukes, and we can't get rid of them because if we did, we would be suspicious that some other nation hadn't and that they would use them on us. It's become a problem of national security. And of course there is no denying the innumerable innocent people who died needlessly when the bomb was dropped, or suffered severe aftereffects. But I still think the leaders of the U.S.A. did what they thought they had to, with no ill intentions. They wanted the war to end as much as anybody, but the Japanese government was relentless. That doesn't mean the use of the bomb was the right decision, but it certainly wasn't one made in pure cold-hearted hatred. Actually I don't know. What we learned was the presidents WANT a war because people will stand behind them and support them, thus their popularity would rise and they'd stay in leader longer. That may not be the case with Bush now but back then people were like that. So I think that they did not want to end the war like that.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:04 pm
Adding violence to violence tp get a sum rivaling the length of pi.
Who'da thought we'd get a negative?
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:49 pm
I'm Canadian. Why hate all foreigners? Isn't it just the americans who did that? Anyways thats in the past and it's not like every American is like that. It's just how people are, sadly. I don't pay much attention to these things. I don't know much about the war and I don't really care to learn much about it because I have nothing to do with it.
and I am not sorry for it. Sure I am sorry for the people who were killed but i'm not sorry for the doing of it and none of you should be either. We didn't decide for it to happen nor were we even alive at that time...atleast I wasn't. O_o;
People shouldn't be blaming other people for things they didn't do is all i'm saying, and now my rant is done. surprised heart
Peace and Love, people! mrgreen heart
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:03 pm
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:29 pm
First off - ditto and kudos to Miss.Nanners! mrgreen Mikagi-sama Actually I don't know. What we learned was the presidents WANT a war because people will stand behind them and support them, thus their popularity would rise and they'd stay in leader longer. That may not be the case with Bush now but back then people were like that. So I think that they did not want to end the war like that. I have to disagree. It's true that WWII pulled the U.S. out of the Great Depression by creating jobs (like working in factories) for the huge percentage of unemployed. But it is untrue that the people support their leaders unquestionanly during times of war. In fact, many people were against joining WWII even after Pearl Harbor. There is a conspiracy theory that Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor was going to happen but allowed it because he knew it would finally rally the people to his side. There is no proof that this theory is true, but even if it were, though people were much more inclined to join the war afterward, there were still many who feared the amount of deaths and the harm to foreign relations it could cause. Any president who thinks going to war will increase his popularity substantially is out of his mind. Vietnam is a perfect example. President Johnson wasn't a war-monger, but in my opinion he saw war as the best way to deal with affairs in Vietnam and with Communism, not the only way. He was rigidly firm about going to war even when he was only Kennedy's VP, and Kennedy was equally firm about not going to war. When Johnson became president and took us directly to war. He was not supported by the majority of the American population. I would imagine he was surprised by the amount of opposition, which was amplified by the hippie revolution, etc., but he certainly didn't expect perfect obeisance. Even way back during the War for Independence in what became the U.S. there was opposition! Ever heard of the Whigs and the Tories? The Whigs were the colonists who wanted freedom from Great Britain, and the Tories were loyal to the Crown. There was enough of a majority that wanted independence, but the amount of Tories was quite substantial. During the Civil War, the U.S. was divided into two halves, the Union North and the Confederate South. The South even had its own president - Jefferson Davis. But not everyone in the North and not everyone in the South supported their side's ideals. The best example is Robert E. Lee, a man who supported President Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation, but was from the South and felt it was his duty to fight for the people he'd been born with. The comparison of Robert E. Lee and Ulyssus S. Grant is one that has always fascinated me. In other words, I've tried my best to debunk your statement with these examples, and definitely feel that nobody likes war, some people just think it's necessary. Whether it is or isn't... that's what's controversial.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:28 pm
HA! I'm not proud to live in this bloody world at all. I don't even live in America, but I am SERIOUSLY not proud to live in a world of childish antics. Where do we get off bombing another nation? and for WHAT HUH? This is just pathetic that we still continue to do this crap to one another. Jesus just look at what's happening in Iraq and Afganastan. And why did this happen? Or even look at Vietnam. OH yes the one WAR which Amercia denies. Does make you feel like a better person because YOU'VE Killed someone? Does it mean that YOU have the right inflict pain and long life damage upon another? For god's sake YOU FLITHY PIECES OF SCUM get over yourselves! STOP THE CRAP NOW! HEY WAKE UP AMERICA! IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHY THE WORLD HATES YOU, LOOK AT THE DAMAGE YOU'VE CAUSED. NO! WAIT. EVERYONE IN THIS WORLD. AUSTRALIA, AMERICAS, EUROPE, GREAT BRITIAN, ASIA, TAKE A DAMN GOOD LOOK AT HOW MUCH DAMAGE YOU HAVE CAUSED TO THIS PLANET! LOOK AT HOW MUCH DAMAGE YOU HAVE CAUSED TO YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AND CLEAN UP YOU'RE MESS. REPAIR THE DAMAGE THAT YOU HAVE CAUSED TO THIS WORLD. STOP THE CHILDISH BEHAVIOUR. I HOPE YOU ALL FEEL GUILTY FOR ALL THIS DISTRUCTION AND I HOPE THAT YOU REPAIR IT IN THE TWO DECADES OR EVEN LESS. OR BETTER STILL BRING ON EXTINCTION.
~mother nature~
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