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 Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 8:38 am
If abortion were illegal, what do you think the penalty should be? Should the mother be given life in prison?death penalty? or charged on a lesser count such as manslaughter? What should happen to people who would preform illegal abortions? more severe punishment? less punishment? same punishment?
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 9:30 am
If abortion is considered murder in the eyes of the law. I assume that it would involve handing the same sentence given to premeditated murder of a minor. No more or no less severe.
As for the abortionist vs mother sentence...how does it work if you hire a hitman to kill someone off? Do both get then same sentence even though one did the dirty work? Or does one get off easier then the other?
I can't imagine the latter being the case though since both parties were in on the crime. The hitman would have no one to kill if the you didn't hire their services in the first place.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 9:32 am
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 1:29 pm
If abortion was illegal, all parties involved would have to be responsible, it's kind of like a group of people planning and executing a death.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 5:01 pm
Except of course women can claim otherwise. Pregnancy can cause her emotional instability, and get off on a lesser charge.
Not saying I agree with that, but I do think abortion doctors should be punished more harshly. They do the killing, on a logical basis. On an emotional, they're killing for money. I don't like the people that hire killers, but the killers I have no respect for whatsoever.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 6:46 pm
It's sad that they justify the fetus as nonsetient life or whatever, that's overjustication of what is and what isn't life.
Take a life, may God have mercy on your soul...
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If God doesn't exist then what's stopping me from grabbing a gun and going on a killing spree?
Seriously, if I didn't believe in a God, I would do just that, because life really isn't worth living if there is nothing to live for. I have no one to live for...
Eh... sorry, I'm suffering sort of an emotional breakdown.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:38 am
FreeArsenal It's sad that they justify the fetus as nonsetient life or whatever, that's overjustication of what is and what isn't life. Take a life, may God have mercy on your soul... -or- If God doesn't exist then what's stopping me from grabbing a gun and going on a killing spree? Seriously, if I didn't believe in a God, I would do just that, because life really isn't worth living if there is nothing to live for. I have no one to live for... Eh... sorry, I'm suffering sort of an emotional breakdown.
That doesn't mean I'm going to go out and kill people however.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:57 pm
Well, unlike you toxic, I'm more mentally unstable in that respect. I know myself for my mental instabilities, not because I'm mentally ill but because the world has made me mentally ill. Perhaps it is true that in a world such as this, people have different religions, and different opinions, and also different ideas as to what life should be perceived as...
But to me, it's like a horrible nightmare of things that are happening and will continue happening. I know a lot of people state things like, the church was made only to obtain power... but I can see the exact same thing happening with these atheist and evolutionists... they are using their theory of "there is no God" to justify many things in life from abortion, gay marriage, and in some cases killing through war.
Now in the Old Testament, God passed judgement on wicked people before sending the Israelite army to battle, in today's world, God is in preparation for a second coming... as what it is that I believe, so this leaves man to contemplate and justify everything they believe.
So man left alone is put in charge of making the laws, the verdict the judgement of other people, and the problem with that is, we're still all human, we're still all mortals with limited understanding, and even those intellectuals, it doesn't matter how smart you are, fall short of true understanding.
This can be seen because there are these "high-profile" medical doctors or scientists, theologians, whatever the field may be, they are always in a difference of opinion. Swaying this way and that in what the majority favors, just leaving the rest of mankind to just pick a side... it's like chaos without peace...
If I didn't believe in God, I would therefore believe there not to be any right or wrong. Because what man has authority to govern me? If we are all still just mortals living in a world of chaos, I might as well since I can't stand living go buy a gun and take out as many people who hate me as I can.
There's just no point in living if there isn't anyone or anything to live for... just no point.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:04 pm
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:07 pm
If abortion were illegal, though, (and this stems from a conversation I was having with Mira today) would you punish anyone who's had an abortion, or just the ones who have them when illegal?
I'd really like to get input on this.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:38 pm
Mcphee If abortion were illegal, though, (and this stems from a conversation I was having with Mira today) would you punish anyone who's had an abortion, or just the ones who have them when illegal?
I'd really like to get input on this.
No one who had an abortion while it was legal should be punished if it becomes illegal.
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:52 am
toxic_lollipop Mcphee If abortion were illegal, though, (and this stems from a conversation I was having with Mira today) would you punish anyone who's had an abortion, or just the ones who have them when illegal?
I'd really like to get input on this.
No one who had an abortion while it was legal should be punished if it becomes illegal.Bingo. You didn't commit a crime if it wasn't a crime then. That'd be like saying people who drank at age 18 before they raised the age to 21 should be punished, let's round them all up, they should be in their 20's to 90's, not so hard to find..... xd Sorry to hear that Free, lotsa love. Keep your faith, it'll keep you strong. At least it works with me, lol.
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:54 pm
I think re-educating society is the key.
If keeping children is "fasionable" as it were, then people would be less likely to even consider it.
And there shouldn't be any real punishments.
Except being explained to how it is wrong.
Suggesting that it should be treated as manslaughter, murder, etc. I think is unreasonable, as it's the sort of thoughts that lead to people killing doctors and destroying people's lives because they are connected with abortion.
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:43 pm
FreeArsenal these atheist and evolutionists... they are using their theory of "there is no God" to justify many things in life from abortion, gay marriage, and in some cases killing through war. I'm sorry, I have to comment on this. Atheists are not the only ones who support legal abortion and gay marriage. And I don't think I've ever heard an atheist justify war on the grounds that there is no god. Atheists (or non-Christians, I should say) are not the only ones who believe in evolution. I personally know several Christians who do. I don't want to go off-topic, so I'll just say that I'm an atheist and I believe abortion is wrong. Quote: If I didn't believe in God, I would therefore believe there not to be any right or wrong. Because what man has authority to govern me? If we are all still just mortals living in a world of chaos, I might as well since I can't stand living go buy a gun and take out as many people who hate me as I can. There's just no point in living if there isn't anyone or anything to live for... just no point. Ah, but this is *why* I believe abortion is wrong. I may not believe there exists some higher power who's going to judge me for my actions, but I don't need a belief in a higher power or a book of laws to tell me that causing suffering is wrong. I wouldn't want it to happen to me, so I believe it's wrong to do so to others, and I believe that the world would be a better place if no one suffered. My biology book tells me the brain develops during the second month of gestation and that after the second trimester pain can definitely be felt. That's why I consider abortion wrong. Maybe after we die, there's nothing else; I haven't seen any proof to the contrary. (I'm kind of having a little crisis over this--see the avi in my sig) But that doesn't mean life doesn't exist, it's all we know and we might as well enjoy it and help others enjoy it as well.
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:57 pm
karllikespies If abortion were illegal, what do you think the penalty should be? Should the mother be given life in prison?death penalty? or charged on a lesser count such as manslaughter? What should happen to people who would preform illegal abortions? more severe punishment? less punishment? same punishment? Definitely not the death penalty. I can see why some people would see killing a convicted criminal as different from killing an unborn child, but I don't. If I were given the power to do so, I would not make abortion completely illegal right now. I *would* completely ban second and third trimester abortions with the obvious exception to save the mother's life, but I think there are a lot of social problems that need fixing before abortion can be seen as truly unnecessary. People who perform abortions--I don't believe they deserve the title "doctor"--do not perform them for the same reason that women seek them. Women got pregnant when they didn't want to be, and many of them feel they have no other choice but an abortion, and that carrying the child to term will ruin their lives. That's a problem that needs to be solved, and keeping abortion legal is not a solution. However, many people believe that for the time being, it's a necessary evil. Girls throw newborn babies in the trash; I don't doubt they'd attempt to give themselves an abortion if they were denied access to a legal one.
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