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 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:24 am
First post in forever, I'm aware this could go inside the spin-offs forum as it relates to the game FF7: Dirge of Cerberus, but I'll put it here unless one of you Mod's think otherwise.
Getting to the point. As you all know, Sephiroth was born from Hojo and Lucrecia in Final Fantasy Seven, and all we were given was the name Sephiroth. Nothing more, nothing less, nor were we given the last names of his parents.
After accquiring FF7: Dirge of Cerberus two days ago and breezing through normal mode without any real trouble, and through completely legal means, it is revealed that Lucrecia's last name is Crescent. Now, generally speaking this wouldn't mean anything, but seeing as Sephiroth has no last name, I find this to be very interesting.
Now generally speaking a child would take the last name of their father as far as I'm aware, but because we are never given Hojo's last name, I'm going to substitute it with Lucrecia's, while this is not official or anything...
Sephiroth's full name in my eyes is now Sephiroth Crescent.
Spoonfed Discussion:
- Sephiroth with a full name
- Why Lucrecia is pronounced 'Loo-cret-zee-ah'
- Will we ever be given Hojo's last name?
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:10 pm
Yeah, a friend of mine by the name of Vincent, no lie, said that Sephiroth's last name was Crescent. Man, he got that information back in 2004....
ANYWHO, yeah, I guess his fool name should he ever want one would be his mother's last name, rather than taking the name of the father who never loved and only abused him.
And, as for the Lucrectia thing, I was weirded out too. I always thought it would be "Loo-Cree-Sha" rather than "Loo-cret-cee-uh." It's weird they pronounce the names.... Same thing with Nibelheim. I thought it was Nibelhiem, so I always pronounced it "Nibel-he-um" rather than "Nibel-hyme." Weird....
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:46 pm
Ever since I found out who Sephiroth's mother was, I gave him Crescent as a last name.
Pronounciations screws everything up for me. With the case of Nibelhiem I pronounced it "Ne-bell-hime" The "hiem" pronounced as "high" with an "m" sound at the end.
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:56 pm
I was thinking (hasn't played DoC yet, so correct me if I'm wrong) what if Sephiroth wasn't his given name. THough I haven't played DoC, I know a hefty amount that hasn't spoiled the story, but it talks about "S" and "G" S, I'm guessing as Sephiroth.
Since he was the offspring of Crazy-Hojo, Sephiroth could just be a serial name given to him... maybe Lucrecia had already had a name in mind? (I haven't played 7 in a while either, but I don't recall her naming him... or does she?)
And about Sephiroth's last name, if he were to take any last name, it would probably be Jenova's, but since we have no knowledge of Jenova having a last name, then Crescent should suffice for now. (Wierded out because of the whole "Crescent" or "Valentine" Both objects of considerable love)
Anywho, about pronounciation. I thought it was "Lew-cree-shaw" the whole time, until now. But then again, alot of the times in english dubbing, they pronounce names straight from the Japanese's mouth, which we would pronounce differently. Like the name Cid in Japan is pronounced like "Cidu" because of their way of speech.
I pronounced Nibelheim "Nye-bell-hem"... I was close, but still a little off...
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:04 pm
You know what's hecka funny? We were searching for houses, and there was a road that we passed by that said "Lucretcia." After that, all I could think of was, "How in the hell is this word pronounced? Am I going to be living at an FF7 related place, or what?"
Eh, still, the name is kind of weird. I like the way I pronounced it better than the way they pronounced it. I still like how they pronounced Tifa instead of Tee-fuh, and other stuff... Why'd they make Lucrecia's name so hard to pronounce? I mean, Lu-cree-sha rolls off the tongue, Lu-cret-zee-uh takes more tongue rolling and crap...
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:56 pm
Cresent huh? Okie doke(Need to play DoC >.<)
And urgh, I hear ya Jhay. I'm still just gonna pronounce Lucrecia the way it's REALLY pronounced(seeing as it's a real name and that's how the real name's pronounced). Kinda like how I refuse to say Evan-gah-leon, it'll always be Evan-gelon to me.
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:58 am
wow thats awesome, i hadn't got the chance to play dirge of cerberus yet and to find that sephiroth had a last name, well... thanks =P now i have to play the game even more
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:59 am
Jhay-R: Indeed, while it isn't official I guess giving him the last name of Crescent would be fitting seeing as Hojo is a rather cold b*****d. Though it does raise the question of whether Hojo is his first or last name, as people in general respect usually refer to people by their surname as opposed to their forename, which would mean, if it his is surname, then Sephiroth's full name is Sephiroth Hojo. o_O Though I'm just speculating, can't say it's true until we get some sort of confirmation like we did with Lucrecia.
I always thought it was 'Loo-Cree-See-Ah' Guess I wasn't far off in pronunciation but it is a rather peculiar way of saying it. Nibleheim I always pronounced 'Nible-hyme' so it wasn't much of a bother for me.
Onjay: It's a possibility but I would think of it as considerably un-likely. Sephiroth would be a very odd serial name to give someone, but then again I would consider a serial name as a set of numbers with a rather more simplistic name, such as John5005. I think Hojo and Lucrecia just named him that without any serials in mind, though it is a possibility so I wouldn't discredit it.
As for his last name being JENOVA, this I find myself disagreeing with on the basis that JENOVA had nothing to do in the fun of creating Sephiroth, as in to put it bluntly, Hojo did not get down and dirty with JENOVA. xd Her cells were introduced to him while he was developing in the womb, otherwise she didn't have much to do with him apart from being his local figure of worship after he went insane. So I would stick with Crescent myself, can't see JENOVA working at all, but that's just me. Again, don't discredit it as it's a possibility.
SefieGainsborough: As will I, I will continue to pronounce it the way I always have unless I have to for some reason pronounce it correctly. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:32 pm
Actually, Sephiroth Hojo may be right. I'd need Strawberrie here if I was to be completely sure, but I know that in Japanese, the last name is the really important one, and sometimes, a person is adressed only by their last name and an honorific. Now, assuming that in translation, they would have cut the honorifics, Hojo could be a last name. As far as pronunciation goes, I just go with whatever I first thought it said. I started the game at age 6. Don't count on me for pronunciation.
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:49 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:36 pm
Vincent. V Ex-~ Onjay: It's a possibility but I would think of it as considerably un-likely. Sephiroth would be a very odd serial name to give someone, but then again I would consider a serial name as a set of numbers with a rather more simplistic name, such as John5005. I think Hojo and Lucrecia just named him that without any serials in mind, though it is a possibility so I wouldn't discredit it. As for his last name being JENOVA, this I find myself disagreeing with on the basis that JENOVA had nothing to do in the fun of creating Sephiroth, as in to put it bluntly, Hojo did not get down and dirty with JENOVA. xd Her cells were introduced to him while he was developing in the womb, otherwise she didn't have much to do with him apart from being his local figure of worship after he went insane. So I would stick with Crescent myself, can't see JENOVA working at all, but that's just me. Again, don't discredit it as it's a possibility. I wasn't saying JENOVA being his last name, but taking JENOVA's lastname if she (or it) had one in the first
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:52 pm
wow. surpising and i wanted to get the game to find out more about the ffv story.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:32 am
You could say it is that, but in true aspects and legality, if he ever had a real last name as it stands I think he legally discarded it. I mean, come on, what are the chances? Your eyes or not, he still always thought mummy was Jenova, so as it stands I dont think he even knew who lucrecia was. Nonetheless had her last name. The most plausible might be Gast, but even then I'm doubtful.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:54 am
I don't think burning down a village in a fury fueled rage qualifies as a legal discard of his last name. xd
Generally speaking a person takes the last name of their parents, generally the father when they are born. Being as we don't have Hojo's last name, I fail to see why thinking JENOVA was his mother makes him having his REAL mother last name hard to do. JENOVA does not have a last name nor is it his real mother, regardless of what he thought at the time.
I'm very doubtfall about Gast. Because Professor Gast was Aeris Gainsborough's father. Not Sephiroth's.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:01 pm
I just realized that fact the other day.
I mean, people would expect that Sephiroth has Hojo's last name...
But i don't think it ever said that Lucrecia and Hojo were ever married. So, infact, Sephiroth Crescent would be right.
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