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 Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:26 pm
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
Sweet and simple, to tired, you do the math crying
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:36 pm
That is the most rediculous thing I've ever read. aside from, "rape is all too thinkable for quite the average sort of man," which goes on to describe being pressured and begged and then giving into sex to be rape. this...how can you possibly think it's a fallacy? Quote: Fallacy: Slippery Slope -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also Known as: The Camel's Nose. Description of Slippery Slope The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form: Event X has occurred (or will or might occur). Therefore event Y will inevitably happen. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another. Examples of Slippery Slope "We have to stop the tuition increase! The next thing you know, they'll be charging $40,000 a semester!" "The US shouldn't get involved militarily in other countries. Once the government sends in a few troops, it will then send in thousands to die." "You can never give anyone a break. If you do, they'll walk all over you." "We've got to stop them from banning pornography. Once they start banning one form of literature, they will never stop. Next thing you know, they will be burning all the books!" Look at abortion. Hitler started with abortions...then progressed to euthenasia and eventually "weeded out" society. Disposing of unnessary components. It's starting here. First abortion. now things like terri schiavo...you can bet there will be more cases far worse. Euthenasia is legal in Holland. first came abortion. They're too young to know any better and won't feel it anyway, they're too old to live, they'll be happier dead...yes, some people are euthenized without consent. many in fact. Handicapped people are next on the list. Be so much cheaper, the burden would be taken off the families, and they'd be happier without having to deal with that. After that's all taken care of, we can move on to bigger and better things. who needs telemarketers anyway? They'll be happier not having to calll a million people just to be hung up on. There was a poem about it. already put up in poems, the "First they came for the Jews." BUt you know what this slope sounds like? A machine. if a part isn't as effective, replace it. There's no humanity about it, no compassion, no respect. you can't put a pricetag on one life and expect it to end there....soon, many more lives will be tagged. Sorry, that was the obvious slippery slope, considering we have historical proof of it...and it's going on right now in holland... consider this one. all religions are tolerated. that worked well legally for awhile until the lawyers quadrupled and then cloned themselves to make more lawyers. It is offensive if you have a bible on the table in a federal building. It is offensive if you have a christmas festival in town because not everyone is christian. Don't do it. It is offensive if you keep this on the end of the pledge "God Bless America" It is offensive if you have a rosary on your desk when you're teaching in a public school. So offensive that congrats, you're fired.... Yeah. of course, they said they fired her for other reasons...considering her record, those reasons are highly suspicious. Late to school all the time. yeah, because there aren't a million witnesses that can say otherwise...... YOu think I'm joking about all that stuff except the God Bless America? Sad part is I'm not. So basically, you can't decorate (conferderate flag which stands for state's rights not slavery since the war wasn't exactly about slavery it was just sparked by slavery, and the ten commandments statue) or publicly celebrate how you want to because it MIGHT offend someone, yet don't worry about offending those christians; gay people get married and women kill children right in front of them, let them have a nice long look. I'm not homophobic, but I know plenty of people who are and they find it quite offensive. DOn't worry about us though, because we'll forgive you 490 times; in fact it's more than that since 7 is perfect and 70 is oh darn I forget what. DON"T TRY saying slippery slopes are fallacies until you're being cut into pieces, getting a shot to put you to sleep forever, or getting sucked out of a nice cozy safe spot and torn to pieces only to be bagged up or burned to ashes. THAT Is when you can tell me slippery slopes aren't fallacies. erm...that was directed at the author, not you kp sweatdrop I just got a bit angry. Fallacy. chs.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:58 pm
ok. slippery slope.
War on Terror.
For years we were tough and defensive and you didn't mess with america.
Then people started violating human rights and the UN would pat the person on the head and say, now now, play nice. Thust, people like bin laden and hussein make it far enough to do something serious. Border control slackens a bit, but soon, the borders are crazily easy to cross. You have one drink, then maybe the next night have more, and whenever you have a problem you drink it off and as soon as the tough stuff comes, you're an alcoholic. Just one cigarette can't hurt. Next thing you know, your paycheck is going to cigs and booze. Finally you're on welfare, still buying cigs and booze. You die lonely.
ok, ok, so I"m being dramatic, but still.
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:37 pm
From reading what you said, Lymelady I'd like to point out that Hitler and the Nazi's actually outlawed abortions.
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:50 pm
in healthy germans....they encouraged it and enforced it in other people. They were all about preserving the strong german bloodline....if you weren't a strong, healthy german, your child did not deserve to live.
If you were a strong, healthy german, you were obligated to give birth to save the race.
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:50 pm
lymelady in healthy germans....they encouraged it and enforced it in other people. They were all about preserving the strong german bloodline....if you weren't a strong, healthy german, your child did not deserve to live. If you were a strong, healthy german, you were obligated to give birth to save the race.
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:49 pm
true. that's how it started though. those were the first deaths. germans who were sickly, or had mixed blood, or weren't of the german race.
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:13 pm
this isn't a slippery slope. this is just....hmm, dunno where to put it, but it is an answer to an argument.
PC: Adoption doesn't work becuase there are so many kids already in adoption systems; most people only want babies anyway.
PL: Um....if you put babies up for adoption, don't you think they'd be taken quickly? The only ones who aren't are being hung onto by a family member fighting the sometimes evil, yet usually good, DSS. So really, all those babies would be adopted out because....People want babies.
I never understood why they say, Adoption wouldn't work because the adoption system is so messed up and people only want babies.
Unless you swallow miracle grow when you're pregnant and your baby comes out a few years along, aren't you putting a BABY up for adoption, and don't people want to adopt BABIES? hmm......
Sorry, just a comment. makes no sense.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:02 pm
Haha one of them tried that on me. I told her that if she wanted to talk about the adoption system to make a thread, but the fact was that babies were in high demand and there's a waiting list just to adopt one.
She started going on about how that's all well and good, but that there were other people who needed to be adopted who weren't babies. Once again I told her to make her own thread about it, until women started giving birth to teenagers, children, toddlers or even babies that were a few months along.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 3:03 pm
toxic_lollipop Haha one of them tried that on me. I told her that if she wanted to talk about the adoption system to make a thread, but the fact was that babies were in high demand and there's a waiting list just to adopt one.
She started going on about how that's all well and good, but that there were other people who needed to be adopted who weren't babies. Once again I told her to make her own thread about it, until women started giving birth to teenagers, children, toddlers or even babies that were a few months along. But if a woman's pregnant with a kid and it's born a teenager, that means we must not be sentient until we're teens. yes that was irrelevant. No I'm not sorry. Yes I'm an annoying brat blaugh
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:00 pm
lymelady in healthy germans....they encouraged it and enforced it in other people. They were all about preserving the strong german bloodline....if you weren't a strong, healthy german, your child did not deserve to live. If you were a strong, healthy german, you were obligated to give birth to save the race. Doesn't that kinda invalidate your whole "Nazi Germany == Pro-choice" Corrolation if Hitler actually outlawed abortion? It just makes him an a*****e instead of someone who didn't care about life.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:59 pm
Veled lymelady in healthy germans....they encouraged it and enforced it in other people. They were all about preserving the strong german bloodline....if you weren't a strong, healthy german, your child did not deserve to live. If you were a strong, healthy german, you were obligated to give birth to save the race. Doesn't that kinda invalidate your whole "Nazi Germany == Pro-choice" Corrolation if Hitler actually outlawed abortion? It just makes him an a*****e instead of someone who didn't care about life. No, actually it doesn't. It accents the fact that Pro-'choice'rs would have us believe that if the child is unhealthy, we should abort it .(doesn't point out a certain Harlequin Fetus thread... Oops. redface ) In Nazi Germany they encouraged abortion of unhealthy babies. I see no conflict here. "These are not the arguments you are looking for." And most of the time when Nazi Germany is equated to Pro-'choice', it's saying that both killed minorities, reasoning that they are not 'people' and so shouldn't have the rights of 'people', or because they are minorities that do nothing for the society and thusly aren't needed, or are unwanted and so may be killed. -Not- a direct "Hitler aborted, Pro-'choice'rs abort, they are the same." Which is, of course, an illogical argument, just as saying, "I eat carrots, rabbits eat carrots, I'm a rabbit." That's why no one (to my knowledge) makes that argument except non-debators. This next paragraph is really just me bringing something barely related and unneccessary in.. sweatdrop BTW, if we inferred that Nazi Germany and Pro-'Choice' are the same, it would be "Nazi Germany = Pro-choice" rather then "Nazi Germany == Pro-choice", because two equal signs is a question of "Does Nazi Germany equal Pro-Choice?" rather then "Nazi Germany equals Pro-Choice." At least in C++. Not that that really has much to do with this, it's just the first thing that popped into my head when I saw that. blaugh Feel free to ignore it or just hit me over the head for bringing programming languages into the debate...
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:32 pm
Veled lymelady in healthy germans....they encouraged it and enforced it in other people. They were all about preserving the strong german bloodline....if you weren't a strong, healthy german, your child did not deserve to live. If you were a strong, healthy german, you were obligated to give birth to save the race. Doesn't that kinda invalidate your whole "Nazi Germany == Pro-choice" Corrolation if Hitler actually outlawed abortion? It just makes him an a*****e instead of someone who didn't care about life.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:31 pm
Veled lymelady in healthy germans....they encouraged it and enforced it in other people. They were all about preserving the strong german bloodline....if you weren't a strong, healthy german, your child did not deserve to live. If you were a strong, healthy german, you were obligated to give birth to save the race. Doesn't that kinda invalidate your whole "Nazi Germany == Pro-choice" Corrolation if Hitler actually outlawed abortion? It just makes him an a*****e instead of someone who didn't care about life. What I.Am and Toxic said because I'm too darn lazy to come up with my own answer. 'Sides, it's time to go be a hippy and see how shredded I got by people.
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