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Lord Setar

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:54 pm


Go try and publicly debunk protestors in front of places like Planned Parenthood(though I don't think Canada has PP)? Would it be better to debunk them in front of people going to get abortions so the people going in are reassured that someone's standing up for them, or what? I'm pondering, once I can drive on my own, doing something like this or maybe having a pro-choice demonstration in front of a "crisis pregnancy center" for school(graduation protfolio thing, haate). I'd ask for some people to help me, but I'm afraid that no fellow choicers live in the Vancouver area and would be willing to help - as far as I know the closest PCG member to me is Neth, all the way down in Seattle.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:09 pm


Honestly, just going up and shouting at them would be a bad idea, I think. Because all it does is make people angry at each other and it gives them a reason to feel "under attack" (which only strengthens their convictions).

If I had to suggest a course of action, it would be to call your local PP and ask them how you can help. If there are a lot of protestors, they may need someone to walk patients past them and into the building (or back out again).

If you want to do something a little more "in your face," you could find local pregnancy crisis centers or local churches you know many of the pro-life protestors attend and set up your own protest. Have billboards, get a bunch of friends together, etc... Give 'em a taste of their own medicine. If any of them approach you and try to pick a fight, don't respond. If they physically touch you, calmly ask them for their names and report them to the police.

Akhakhu


234518

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:13 pm


Hmmm...What exactly do you mean by "publicly debunking?" If you mean you want to stand there and try to argue with the protesters and tell them that they are wrong, then no. I say this out of concern for your personal safety. These protesters are very adamant about their positions as "protecters of the innocent", they truly believe that there are actual babies being slaughtered and blood is being splattered against the walls in the establishment, and standing there trying to tell them they are wrong will only exacerbate the situation, tempers will flare, and people may get hurt. I'd hate to hear that you were seriously injured by a bible thrown at your head, or whatnot. sad

What you can do though, is perhaps volunteer as an escort so that women can enter safely, and console and reassure her along the way that she is doing the right thing for her situation. Perhaps you could also print up your own pamphlets with the correct information about abortion, and hand those out in front of the pregnancy crisis centers.

Whatever you ultimately plan on doing, try to enlist as many people as possible to help you. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I wouldn't want you getting jumped by any extremely passionate lifers who may be around (maybe not that paranoid...these people have blown up clinics and shot abortion providers before. It's not that inconceivable to think they would gang up and jump a lone teenager.)

That said, I must commend you for your bravery and your desire to get the real word about abortion out there and help women. You are a really great guy. 3nodding I unfortunately won't be able to be there with you as I live in New Jersey, but I wish you the best of luck with all your endeavors.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:14 pm


Kukushka
Honestly, just going up and shouting at them would be a bad idea, I think. Because all it does is make people angry at each other and it gives them a reason to feel "under attack" (which only strengthens their convictions).

If I had to suggest a course of action, it would be to call your local PP and ask them how you can help. If there are a lot of protestors, they may need someone to walk patients past them and into the building (or back out again).

If you want to do something a little more "in your face," you could find local pregnancy crisis centers or local churches you know many of the pro-life protestors attend and set up your own protest. Have billboards, get a bunch of friends together, etc... Give 'em a taste of their own medicine. If any of them approach you and try to pick a fight, don't respond. If they physically touch you, calmly ask them for their names and report them to the police.


I'll probably be going to some different place, as I said I have no idea if Canada has Planned Parenthood. But thanks.

Lord Setar


Half Baked SF

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:29 pm


Kuku is right, I don't think starting a shouting match would be the best to support your cause.

Perhaps you could volunteer to be an escort for women who wish to abort whereever abortions are performed.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:51 pm


I think it is fine if you take a peaceful route.

Do not confront the anti-choicers (who are prone to violence against dissenting opinions).

Bring pamphlets that explain the common pro-life arguments, reasons against them, and then perhaps an argument from BD/BI and other PC arguments.

Do something symbolic like wear all white, and hold a sign or something indicating you are pro-choice, and pro-truth. If those seeking an abortion really want answers they'll come to you to get them. If they just want to get into the clinic they will get in there and push through regardless of the antis' efforts.

Talon-chan


Lord Setar

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:00 pm


THe escort idea, again, sounds like a good one. I could also help by having a little repository in case an anti decides to single me out - I'm prone to anger though, and if I get called "accomplice to murder" I'll probably get very pissed. If I stand out there and just show support for the people going in, half the time I'll likely be grumbling under my breath, and unless I bring friends I'll probably be outnumbered. Of course, if they start putting up little paper signs on streetlights, papering them over will likely be a need.

If it comes down to public debate though, I'll keep my cool and only be harsh when I need to make a point, and if I get attacked in any way, I'll hold them off in self defense, calm them down, ask their name, and make a list. All the people that try to physically attack me will receive a call from the police.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:11 pm


Lord Setar
I'll probably be going to some different place, as I said I have no idea if Canada has Planned Parenthood. But thanks.

We do. I believe it's called Planned Parenthood of Canada. Check out YellowPages.ca or google "planned parenthood" and your nearest city.

Akhakhu


Lord Setar

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:55 pm


Kukushka
Lord Setar
I'll probably be going to some different place, as I said I have no idea if Canada has Planned Parenthood. But thanks.

We do. I believe it's called Planned Parenthood of Canada. Check out YellowPages.ca or google "planned parenthood" and your nearest city.


Or just check my yellow pages?

Two abortion alternatives, one in Surrey and one in Aldergrove. The Surrey one is a crisis pregnancy centre, the Aldergrove one is a "pregnancy centre" and the mini-ad says it has information on abortions, risks and alternatives, the first two likely being propaganda.

The only abortion provider is all the way in Vancouver, and it's not a Planned Parenthood either.

You'd think an area with 1.6 million people would have more, even in the alternatives category. Kelowna had more than that.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:22 pm


Then there are two possibilities. 1) Abortions are perfectly fine in your area and people get them in hospitals, or 2) they've buggered off due to restrictions.

I have my fingers crossed for all of Canada that it's option 1.

Akhakhu


Lord Setar

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:39 pm


Kukushka
Then there are two possibilities. 1) Abortions are perfectly fine in your area and people get them in hospitals, or 2) they've buggered off due to restrictions.

I have my fingers crossed for all of Canada that it's option 1.


I would think option one. BC is under government of the Liberal Party as of now. Our Conservatives are actually a nothing party.

Of course, in federal elections, BC always votes against the trend. Last election the NDP picked up a lot of seats here.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:47 pm


Pamphlets and escort service sounds like a good idea, and again, if you plan to stage your own protest, bring lots of friends.

Since I live in California, I don't see a lot of protests around our Planned Parenthood. Am currently trying to figure out of the community pregnancy center near my house offers abortions or not, so I can make note of it if I need it.

EDIT: Hrm, it gave me quite a bit of information about abortion, almost all of it is negative, and some is false. Considering sending them an email correcting them.

Does anyone have that link that debunks the abortion = breast cancer link? I lost mine, I think.

And quite a bit of stuff against sex- for teens, which I can definitely see. A lot of it is "don't get STD's! Don't get unwanted pregnancies!" as if those didn't happen during marriage as well. =/ Considering adding that to my email too.


... they're also advocating that teens leave the home if their parents would kick them out for being pregnant, rather than having an abortion, and every single one of their 'solutions' advocates against abortion.

My, my, is someone biased. Almost definitely sending them an email, when I'm done with homework.

Reinna Astarel


Akhakhu

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:41 am


Check the library of logic!

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It's quite amazing, actually. Some scientists believe that this is because wedding rings from the planet Naiveria and the magnetic fields of this planet are what give rings these properties.

Unfortunately, there's a catch. The rings only work if you're marriage is sanctioned by God. Sorry fags, sorry interracial couples, you guys will just have to fake your love like the rest of us good Christians for the magical benefits of The Wedding Ring.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:13 pm


*Puts up a huge billboard in front of PP with the picture of a rubber fetus on it which reads: "I was cast in a rubber mold mommy. You should feel bad for drenching me in stage blood, shoving me into a garbage bag, and taking pictures to make other people look like criminals. You don't really respect me do you?"*

I can't ever think up something short and catchy..damn..

The_Thread _Reaper


Lord Setar

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:17 pm


The_Thread _Reaper
*Puts up a huge billboard in front of PP with the picture of a rubber fetus on it which reads: "I was cast in a rubber mold mommy. You should feel bad for drenching me in stage blood, shoving me into a garbage bag, and taking pictures to make other people look like criminals. You don't really respect me do you?"*

I can't ever think up something short and catchy..damn..


Off topic, but your avatar looks so huggable.
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