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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:57 am
From what I can tell, the Kiai, or Kiaup shout is a definitive part of every martial art, with the possable exception of Ninjistu (Art of stealh, duh.)
So how do you intigrate this basic psychological techniqe into your training?
For those who do not know, a Kiai shout is a cry or scream of visceral, gutteral force emitted durign a strike, its fucntion in practical usuage is to bascially utiliaze the 'Get PISSED' ideal and send your mental facilties into a full combat mode, its supposed to be an empowering shout.
It was also said ot be a method of intimidation in some archaic disiplinces.
So how do you use it? Do you consider it bullshido?
I myself consider the psychological aspect tof a Kiai shout quite handy, afterall, who is goign to want to ******** with the guy who suddenly screams like a madman and takes his 'brotha' out with a brutal elbow strike? I have been told I have a particualrly brutal shout, so I guess it works for me.
What are your thoughts on this concept?
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 4:05 am
Hell Yeah! I love using the shout to help give me some energy when training, but I tend to hiss when I actually spar like a boxer or something. A kiai just doesn't seem to come naturally during a bout.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:39 am
The shout isn't only psycological, its primary purpose is to tense the muscles in the torso at the moment of impact. It is merely an extension of correct breathing to maximise the power of a technique and allow the body to better withstand blows
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:52 am
Gloglablyn Hell Yeah! I love using the shout to help give me some energy when training, but I tend to hiss when I actually spar like a boxer or something. A kiai just doesn't seem to come naturally during a bout. Tho I have seen it used to very good effect in comp to make sure the ref knows you've scored, somewhat similar to a cricketers (for you uk guys) howsat, aswell as scaring the bejesus out of the opponent
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:44 am
Screaming like a madman works, but not after every strike(in combat situation I mean, cause honstly who does). I like my war cry, the Canadian army has been looking to recruit me for quite some time(bullshit!!).
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:44 am
I've adopted the boxer/Thai boxer's hiss.....and pretty much ditched my ki-yop while sparring. The only time I'll ki-yop is when I'm goofing around. I'm not knocking it at all, though. Its still a great way to, yannoe, keep you from fainting in a match from lack of oxygen and such. For the most part its intimidating....if you know how to really put feeling into it. Some of the peeps at my old TKD studio were too damn afraid to yell, so they'd ki-yop in a half assed way.....kinda sad really.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:49 am
Bruce-Ganked-Lee I've adopted the boxer/Thai boxer's hiss.....and pretty much ditched my ki-yop while sparring. The only time I'll ki-yop is when I'm goofing around. I'm not knocking it at all, though. Its still a great way to, yannoe, keep you from fainting in a match from lack of oxygen and such. For the most part its intimidating....if you know how to really put feeling into it. Some of the peeps at my old TKD studio were too damn afraid to yell, so they'd ki-yop in a half assed way.....kinda sad really. I remember during my initiate stage kiaiing like Bruce Lee on PCP (hey that rymes~) and having the entire class stare at me. Teh Awesome.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 12:02 pm
Vincent Darkholme Bruce-Ganked-Lee I've adopted the boxer/Thai boxer's hiss.....and pretty much ditched my ki-yop while sparring. The only time I'll ki-yop is when I'm goofing around. I'm not knocking it at all, though. Its still a great way to, yannoe, keep you from fainting in a match from lack of oxygen and such. For the most part its intimidating....if you know how to really put feeling into it. Some of the peeps at my old TKD studio were too damn afraid to yell, so they'd ki-yop in a half assed way.....kinda sad really. I remember during my initiate stage kiaiing like Bruce Lee on PCP (hey that rymes~) and having the entire class stare at me. Teh Awesome. I'm still intimidated by the way most Koreans ki-yop. Its not deep....its almost high-pitched....but a very crazed high-pitch....
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 1:19 pm
I don't even kihap, I do this weird yell, straight from the throat. I can't even describe it.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:18 pm
As far as kiai's go, the only time I do them is during drills when the instructor say to do them for the final technique in a particular set. Or, in kata's at the kiai points. I don't kiai in sparring, unless it's semi-free, or what have you. In free sparring, I've never kiai'd. But, everytime I do a technique, I make sure to breathe properly, which means expelling air forcefully at the end of the technique, be it a punch, or block or whatever. Basically , what darkling said. And that's how I roll.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 8:52 pm
Bruce-Ganked-Lee Vincent Darkholme Bruce-Ganked-Lee I've adopted the boxer/Thai boxer's hiss.....and pretty much ditched my ki-yop while sparring. The only time I'll ki-yop is when I'm goofing around. I'm not knocking it at all, though. Its still a great way to, yannoe, keep you from fainting in a match from lack of oxygen and such. For the most part its intimidating....if you know how to really put feeling into it. Some of the peeps at my old TKD studio were too damn afraid to yell, so they'd ki-yop in a half assed way.....kinda sad really. I remember during my initiate stage kiaiing like Bruce Lee on PCP (hey that rymes~) and having the entire class stare at me. Teh Awesome. I'm still intimidated by the way most Koreans ki-yop. Its not deep....its almost high-pitched....but a very crazed high-pitch.... Kinda like the way Iraqi's scream: AL-LA-LA-LA-LAH!!!! in that wierd shriek way every time they blow up a car?
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:28 pm
It's used in BJJ? Or Jiu Jitsu? I KNOW it's not used in REX KWON DO! I mean i am a 11TH dan in that. Bitchs. Haha. Man I should be using my Mirko account BUMP! Bring up my postcount!
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:35 am
Ah, the good old kiai...
I remember back a few years ago when a classmate and I stood face to face yelling at each other (the reason, if worth elaborating on, was not hostility, but merely the attempt to defeat the other one in loudness), each succesive shout growing louder and more powerful. At first I was just kidding around, you know, playing Bruce Lee or the like, but as we started reaching the greater levels of shouting I put both my feet firmly to the ground and pulled off the greatest kiai my stomach could manage. Worth mentioning is that I was in kendo - if there was anything I knew it was shouting.
The dude practically fell over, despite being prepared for the shout.
Good times.
I remember watching others practice or compete back in kendo, standing by the side with some of the other members of my club, discussing which of the contestants had the best kiai.
Still feels good finishing a combo with a good kiai.
...Or initiating homework, for that matter.
So... liberating.
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 3:51 pm
I always use the hiss but when i'm in my mad aggressive modes doing sparring, shadow and bag work then i'll use a hiss combined with a growl when i'm visualising a knock out blow.
If i'm checking out a new club and end up doing line work then i'll use the Ki-hop/Kiai.
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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:37 pm
I haven't really gotten used to the hiss; I prefer sticking with the kiai for now.
I think that even though it may seem foolish to outsiders, it does have a noticable psychological effect, because it forces you to commit to your attack. It may scare the opponent and I remember being told that the purpose of it is if you do get hit, you won't get your breath knocked out of you.
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