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have you ever though about suicide
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no
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MikoYokoa

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:12 pm


ok this is more of a quiesting then a pray regest but if you comet suicide (sp) its the same as murder right? but what happens when you go to heaver (if you bleave and fallow God) i mean ever christions can't be happy go lucky and just are sick of life and really have no worth in there life. sooo will God punish them and not let the live in heaven with him?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:24 pm


MikoYokoa
ok this is more of a quiesting then a pray regest but if you comet suicide (sp) its the same as murder right? but what happens when you go to heaver (if you bleave and fallow God) i mean ever christions can't be happy go lucky and just are sick of life and really have no worth in there life. sooo will God punish them and not let the live in heaven with him?
I think taht God punishes ppl who kill themselves, cuz one, God sent His only Son to die for EVERYONE (who accepts Jesus as their savoir and does his/her best to do what is right and stay away from what is right, but we're not talking about that right now) and killing urslef would be wasting ur life that Jesus paid such a high price for(that thought is what kept me from killing myself (the fact that Jesus died for me and has a plan for me, killing myself would waste my life), number two, Jesus has a plan for you (witness to someone(even at school or work), save someone's life and/or soul, be a misionary and reach thousands of ppl, etc.) and killing urslef would "ruin" it, number three, killing urslef is NOT worthless (I know).

And if u don't have "real" friends (unlike school friends) then u can get some at your church, join the youth choir (that's what I did and now I have real, Christian friends that I can tell anything (2-5 yrs older than I, tho i'm probably as mature as they are(18-19 according to a friend), join a junior high or high school bible study at your church, talk to ppl in those "groups". In fact one of the friends I got from my youth choir saved me from suicide, I told her about my problems and she told me that I'm not that person anymore, that I shouldn't feel guilty, and that I can call her if I ever need help. If it weren't 4 her then I'd probably b dead.

P.S: I hope this made sense, PM me if u want more clarification

thejesusfreak


A Different Light

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:28 pm


I don't want to be mean, but I had a hard time understanding what you stand. Could you do me a big favor and spellcheck it? Great, now to replying.

I've never really thought about killing myself. I feel that I have a pretty good life, and I wouldn't kill myself. However, I understand that other people's lives are not quite as good as mine. Ultimitely, I think that suicide is a preminent solution to a temporary problem. You'll make people around you sad, and you'll be dead. I can't really see you going to Hell for killing yourself to get you out of a bad place. However, I can't really see you going to Heaven. Chances are, when you die, you're dead. You don't go anywhere. You're dead. Dead. Not to dampen spirits, but those are what the odds say. Anyways, I could get going on a rant about how none of the Bible's true, but I'll spare you and shut up.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:06 pm


In general, I think suicide is a poor choice. If you have faith in God, you realize that nothing you have to deal with will be more than you can handle. He only presents us with situations you can handle. I suppose in theory God would punish you, but if you believe in Him your sins are forgiven so... I dunno. It's kinda complicated?

Truth be told, it's not something I've personally had to deal with for about four years now so I haven't given it a lot of thought.

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Captain_Theoretical

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:10 pm


Most people who commit suicide have mental disorders. Not everything's right with their brain. Most of them also regret it. 2/3 people who jumped, and survived said that they regretted while falling.

God is all forgiving, and mental disorders are shed with your body. So I believe that suicide caused by depression is not a sin, since depression is a disorder.

However, committing suicide just to get into heaven is sin. You can't just say "Oh it really sucks here on Earth I think I'd rather be in paradise."

And suicide is never a good idea. Think about all the life you have ahead of you, aren't you curious what the rest of your life will hold?

My advice: if you feel lower than you've ever felt, like you've hit rock bottom, then the only way to go is up. 3nodding

God loves you, and if you're going through a tough time He will help you through it. All things will get better eventually, good things come to those who wait.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:33 pm


I agree with Captain here. The majority of people who contemplate suicide are suffering from some sort of mental condition that inhibits their ability to make proper choices. I do not believe that suicide is a sin under those instances due to the extenuating circumstances. If it were for other reasons, then, yes, it would be a sin.

Well, really, it still wouldn't be a sin. Those other reasons would be the sin.

[EDIT] Just to clear up a common misconception. Suicide is rarely a 'life sucks so I die' suicide. More often, people see the problem as something within themselves, usually something that they believe is unchangeable and, in some sense known only to them, 'wrong'.

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ioioouiouiouio

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:34 pm


thelovelyLIZ
In general, I think suicide is a poor choice. If you have faith in God, you realize that nothing you have to deal with will be more than you can handle. He only presents us with situations you can handle. I suppose in theory God would punish you, but if you believe in Him your sins are forgiven so... I dunno. It's kinda complicated?

Truth be told, it's not something I've personally had to deal with for about four years now so I haven't given it a lot of thought.

I disagree. God purposefully puts us in situations that are more than we can handle so we give it to Him.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:10 pm


Cometh The Inquisitor
thelovelyLIZ
In general, I think suicide is a poor choice. If you have faith in God, you realize that nothing you have to deal with will be more than you can handle. He only presents us with situations you can handle. I suppose in theory God would punish you, but if you believe in Him your sins are forgiven so... I dunno. It's kinda complicated?

Truth be told, it's not something I've personally had to deal with for about four years now so I haven't given it a lot of thought.

I disagree. God purposefully puts us in situations that are more than we can handle so we five it to Him.


Hmm, that's interesting. I'm not saying God is going to make our lives peechy keen, but I don't think He's even going to purposely push us over the edge either. He knows our limits and he might push us, but he's never gonna give us something we can't handle. It's like, okay I'ma swim teacher, right? And I get these kids who don't want to go under the water. So what I'll do it I'll take a hula-hoop, sit them on my lap, and dunk them under. If I think they can handle their whole face under the water, I dunk them completely under. If I think they can only deal with their eyes, I'll only put them that far under.

Now, if you've living a life without God, then I believe you can get into a situation you can't handle, but I think if you stay right with God you'll at leats always have that support of a loving God.

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ioioouiouiouio

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:42 pm


thelovelyLIZ
Hmm, that's interesting. I'm not saying God is going to make our lives peechy keen, but I don't think He's even going to purposely push us over the edge either. He knows our limits and he might push us, but he's never gonna give us something we can't handle. It's like, okay I'ma swim teacher, right? And I get these kids who don't want to go under the water. So what I'll do it I'll take a hula-hoop, sit them on my lap, and dunk them under. If I think they can handle their whole face under the water, I dunk them completely under. If I think they can only deal with their eyes, I'll only put them that far under.

Now, if you've living a life without God, then I believe you can get into a situation you can't handle, but I think if you stay right with God you'll at leats always have that support of a loving God.

Im sure you've read the story of Job (or at least heard of). That was some intense stuff that God let Job get put through and, quite honestly, Job couldn't have gone through it without faith in God.

People are 'incomplete' in a sense. Meaning that we were created to me completely and fully immersed in our Creator. When we sin, we are seperated from Him, and, as such, need Him to help us in situations where we, being 'incomplete', cannot handle.

Also, I think that I worded my first post wrong. God doesn't put us in those situations. I believe that He allows us to be put in those situations.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:44 pm


Cometh The Inquisitor
thelovelyLIZ
Hmm, that's interesting. I'm not saying God is going to make our lives peechy keen, but I don't think He's even going to purposely push us over the edge either. He knows our limits and he might push us, but he's never gonna give us something we can't handle. It's like, okay I'ma swim teacher, right? And I get these kids who don't want to go under the water. So what I'll do it I'll take a hula-hoop, sit them on my lap, and dunk them under. If I think they can handle their whole face under the water, I dunk them completely under. If I think they can only deal with their eyes, I'll only put them that far under.

Now, if you've living a life without God, then I believe you can get into a situation you can't handle, but I think if you stay right with God you'll at leats always have that support of a loving God.

Im sure you've read the story of Job (or at least heard of). That was some intense stuff that God let Job get put through and, quite honestly, Job couldn't have gone through it without faith in God.

People are 'incomplete' in a sense. Meaning that we were created to me completely and fully immersed in our Creator. When we sin, we are seperated from Him, and, as such, need Him to help us in situations where we, being 'incomplete', cannot handle.

Also, I think that I worded my first post wrong. God doesn't put us in those situations. I believe that He allows us to be put in those situations.


But God knew Job could handle all that stuff because of his faith.

I think, essentially, we agree on this topic. I do believe that if we don't follow God that we can end up over our heads in a situation that's good and we may or may not be able to get out of. God created us and he wants what is best for us, and a relationship with him and living the way he wants us to will lead us into the most fulfilling lifestyle.

Or that's what I think anyway.

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The Amazing Ryuu
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:22 pm


You know, emotions are a very powerful thing. They can completely cloud all judgement and erase rationality. For some people (yes, like myself), when you FEEL like life can't possibly be worse you have a very hard time convincing yourself that things aren't that bad, that you would rather end it all now and see God a little earlier than planned. Even WITH His help. I've been dedicated to God since I was 12 years old, and it was only in the past few years that I've attempted suicide. Luckily, I only made myself incredible sick.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:55 am


Killing urself is a sin of course but you dont not go to heaven b/c u sin if u kill urself and ur saved u will still go to Heaven if u died having sex with someone b/s ur wife or husband and were saved (though aprently LOST) god would say AHHH no u cant come in and all sins are equal so though he'll probably wish u didnt do it he wont turn u away for sin belief is what gets u to heaven not good works

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killego

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:21 pm


I have attemped suicide before, unfortunately. But now as I look back on it, I see it was a foolish thing to do because there's a lot more good things that have happened in my life since then. When you commit suicide, you also show that you don't believe in God's promises to keep you up and walk you through it. I don't think God gives us only things that we can handle. Take Katrina for example, there's a lot of types of people that went through that.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:19 am


According to Dante, those who are violent against themselves (those who commit suicide) go to the seventh level of hell. Their punishment is that they are in the forms of trees and the harpies (winged demon women) spend eternity clawing at them and they can only speak when they bleed. The idea behind this punishment is that in life the people did not value their bodies and abused them so in death God has deemed that they don't even get one, and as in life they spke through their blood in pain, they can only express their anguish that way in death.

Dante fascinates me, and if you haven't read The Divine Comedy, I highly recommend it, especially the Inferno. I'm not saying I believe what Dante says- I definetly don't. In fact, if you think about the whole thing Dante's pretty smug about the whole writing of Comedio, but he makes some interesting points. Like Vigril represents the farthest man can go without God, which is an interesting point to make.

ANYWAY the point is, why WOULD you throw away something so great that God has given you, like life. God gave us this life to live in the best ways possible. Why throw it away?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:21 pm


Some people don't realize their life is a gift; they don't see it as something precious.
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