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 Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:07 am
In YM magazine (a long time ago), they had this article about a school for teen moms, including pregnant girls and girls who have already given birth. The school taught basic subjects, as well as classes about raising children, family life, etc. to help these girls. It also had a daycare center so these girls could go to school. I for one was very happy to read this article, because I could only imagine how hard it must be to be a teenage mother trying to finish high school. However, there were letters from girls who did not like that kind of school at all! They were totally against teenage mothers having that sort of "special" help. I'm thinking "WTF? First you push 'life' on these girls, then say they don't deserve to finish high school? How the hell do you expect them to provide for their kids?"
I say, since some teenage girls decide to get an abortion so they can finish school, schools for teen moms are a perfect compromise. This way girls don't have to choose between having a child and getting an education.
Discuss:
~Schools for teen moms
~Hypocritical pro-lifers
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:34 am
This isn't "special help." This is "the basic help that these girls need."
If you were severely retarded and could NOT learn in a normal class environment, should we complain if you were given a special class where your needs were being met?
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:39 am
Most women get that sort of education through child birthing classes, etc... why should teenage mothers deprive themselves of that education just so they can have the same lessons? Just so you can blame them twenty years down the line for being on welfare because they don't have the education to get a sufficiently paying job? Bullshit.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:31 am
It seems like the only way pro-life people are willing to get rid of or reduce abortion is by making it illegal. Don't they realize that the only way abortion can really be reduced is by making it less necessary? If teenage girls didn't have to choose between school or motherhood then maybe more of them wouldn't feel like they needed to have an abortion. I'm totally pro-choice, but I think it's absolutly horrible that so many women feel like they have to have an abortion because of their education level or socioeconomic status.
If the pro-lifers really want to reduce abortion they need to:
*Stop calling unwed mothers sluts/whores/sinners etc.
*Support the mother and child beyond pregnancy
*Support social programs that help young mothers get an education so that they can earn a living wage
*Support research and education in birth control
*Adopt all those babies they keep asking women to give up (I'm planning on adopting one or more depending on my financial situation).
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:11 pm
Aiko_Kaida It seems like the only way pro-life people are willing to get rid of or reduce abortion is by making it illegal. Don't they realize that the only way abortion can really be reduced is by making it less necessary? If teenage girls didn't have to choose between school or motherhood then maybe more of them wouldn't feel like they needed to have an abortion. I'm totally pro-choice, but I think it's absolutly horrible that so many women feel like they have to have an abortion because of their education level or socioeconomic status. If the pro-lifers really want to reduce abortion they need to: *Stop calling unwed mothers sluts/whores/sinners etc. *Support the mother and child beyond pregnancy *Support social programs that help young mothers get an education so that they can earn a living wage *Support research and education in birth control *Adopt all those babies they keep asking women to give up (I'm planning on adopting one or more depending on my financial situation). I completely agree! If abortion is so horrible why aren't they part of the solution instead of part of the problem?
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:19 pm
I am totally in support of that. I support any program that helps a woman in regards to pregnancy and childcare issues for either side of the abortion debate. Perhaps this will take away another reason for girls to get an abortion if they wouldn't have one otherwise.
But for what reason could you possibly be against that? "Oh, you consented to sex, so now you must deal with the consequences of a child ( scream ) without any way of making teh situation better for you or your children?" WTF?
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:36 pm
I am pro-CHOICE. Not pro-"choose this because it's your only option, lawl."
The only reason a woman should get an abortion, imo, is if she WANTS AN ABORTION. Not because she's too poor to raise a child. Not because her parents will kick her out and she will have to live in the streets if she is found pregnant. Not because her boyfriend told her to. Only because SHE WANTS TO - totally free from all outside influence.
Obviously, a time when this is possible is very far off (if even possible). But this is what I want, this is what I support.
Contrary to pro-life belief, I am not some psycho who just gets off on knowing that "babies" are being killed and gives a chuckle every time a woman is forced to abort a baby she wanted because she is too poor and severely regrets having to do it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:22 pm
How did I know it? How did I know, by looking at the thread title, that there would be anti-choicers who are all "they shouldn't get extra help/it'll make more teenage girls into sluts!"
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:27 pm
Deformography How did I know it? How did I know, by looking at the thread title, that there would be anti-choicers who are all " they shouldn't get extra help/it'll make more teenage girls into sluts!" What? Don't you know it's every teenage girl's dream to be a teen mother and recieve special* help? Why, the only thing stopping us is the fact that we can't do that yet! *"Special" in the sense that she would be recieving more help than the "average" mother. I couldn't find a better term.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:30 pm
I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:37 pm
Joselle`Stark I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma. I have a problem with that. Ok, personal story time. Gather 'round, children! We had a retarded girl in my school. She was extremely retarded. I don't mean "she couldn't read none too good." I mean this girl needed a nurse by her side all the time so that she wouldn't walk into walls and try to eat chalkfrom the blackboards. The girl was a danger to herself and, on more than one occasion, she showed herself to be a danger to the other students. Her parents decided that they wanted her to have a "normal" life anyway. So they sued the school board until they allowed her into "normal" classes and so forth. But, as I said, she needed 24hour nurse supervision. So the school board had to pay for that. I don't know if you know how much it costs to keep a fully qualified nurse on staff all day, but I can tell you that it's quite a bit. To pay for it, the school board took money from other areas. As a result, we had to share textbooks in English class. Our Biology textbooks were so dated that those not falling apart too much to be read at all were filled in dated information. The special classes for advanced students (such as the AP courses) had to be shut down. The sports teams had to use balls that couldn't hold air, nets full of holes, and all the rest. In short, my school experience there was horrible. EVERYONE suffered because of one girl's special needs. These special needs were not her fault, and I understand that. But supporting her sacrificed the education of all the other students there. My point is that if the school district has extra money to spend, or receives a special grant from the local government, then yes - I totally support having integrated schools. If, on the other hand, doing so would harm the educational value for all the other children there, then no, I disagree. Obviously, there are levels of harm. Installing wheelchair ramps is one thing. Having to restructure the entire school to accomodate a minority of students is quite another.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:40 pm
Joselle`Stark I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma. The only problem is some girls don't like it when their classmates call them sluts in school and treat them like they have the plague. The seperation is to protect the girls from being hurt by their peers. Teenagers can be very cruel and that sort of thing can scar a person for life.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:09 pm
Kukushka Joselle`Stark I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma. I have a problem with that. Ok, personal story time. Gather 'round, children! We had a retarded girl in my school. She was extremely retarded. I don't mean "she couldn't read none too good." I mean this girl needed a nurse by her side all the time so that she wouldn't walk into walls and try to eat chalkfrom the blackboards. The girl was a danger to herself and, on more than one occasion, she showed herself to be a danger to the other students. Her parents decided that they wanted her to have a "normal" life anyway. So they sued the school board until they allowed her into "normal" classes and so forth. But, as I said, she needed 24hour nurse supervision. So the school board had to pay for that. I don't know if you know how much it costs to keep a fully qualified nurse on staff all day, but I can tell you that it's quite a bit. To pay for it, the school board took money from other areas. As a result, we had to share textbooks in English class. Our Biology textbooks were so dated that those not falling apart too much to be read at all were filled in dated information. The special classes for advanced students (such as the AP courses) had to be shut down. The sports teams had to use balls that couldn't hold air, nets full of holes, and all the rest. In short, my school experience there was horrible. EVERYONE suffered because of one girl's special needs. These special needs were not her fault, and I understand that. But supporting her sacrificed the education of all the other students there. My point is that if the school district has extra money to spend, or receives a special grant from the local government, then yes - I totally support having integrated schools. If, on the other hand, doing so would harm the educational value for all the other children there, then no, I disagree. Obviously, there are levels of harm. Installing wheelchair ramps is one thing. Having to restructure the entire school to accomodate a minority of students is quite another. That's what I was trying to convey -- if the money's there to do it already, then integration should work okay. Otherwise, a separate school's no big deal. In my area, all of the comprehensive highschools have daycare and "family life" classes for stuff like balancing a checkbook, getting a job, and basic childcare. As for the nurse thing, I went to a magnet highschool for health sciences and engineering -- there were 6 RN's teaching classes, so technically we had a nurse on duty at all times. Major weird case/exception to the rule, I know.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:10 pm
PersephoneMediocris Joselle`Stark I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma. The only problem is some girls don't like it when their classmates call them sluts in school and treat them like they have the plague. The seperation is to protect the girls from being hurt by their peers. Teenagers can be very cruel and that sort of thing can scar a person for life. It seems as if it's the opposite in some places. Having a kid is seen as a "way out", or even a status symbol. I suppose it's different in every area.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:21 pm
PersephoneMediocris Joselle`Stark I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma. The only problem is some girls don't like it when their classmates call them sluts in school and treat them like they have the plague. The seperation is to protect the girls from being hurt by their peers. Teenagers can be very cruel and that sort of thing can scar a person for life. I can understand both your points and I think they both have legitimacy. On the one hand, you can consider the girl who is scarred for life by being ripped away from all her friends and thrust into a completely new environment. Being so far removed from the daily experiences of her friends, they quickly lose contact and she finds herself totally alone. Of course, she is going to be completely removed from the experiences of her friends by having a baby. I have heard time and time again of new moms just completely changing who their friends are because their old friends simply couldn't relate to where their lives currently are. And, being in a special school surrounded by girls in a similar situation, can actually give them much more supportive friendships. I think that everyone reacts to separation or not-separation differently. I think that just as many girls would react very badly to being separated from their friends and what they know as would rejoice in being separated from the attitudes of classmates who do not and cannot understand what they are going through.
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