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Faeyas

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:21 pm


Some of you who lurk in the PLG may have noticed this thread there as well. Since Adoption is a choice, and being pro choice and all, I think that it would be good if we worked just as hard to make Adoption a worthy choice for mothers to be who want to have their baby, but who at the same time know they cannot support the child as they would like.

To quote from my post in the PLG:

Faeyas
A pro life choice thread!

ok yes there is a catch, I couldn't find an adoption thread. Adoption is a STRONG prolife agrument, I agree its a good one. I have a small problem with Adoption and I was wondering if all of you wouldn't mind brainstorming the problem with me to fix it? After all the best way to stop argument is to become rid of the problem no?

Ok so my Aunt, who can't have children period, is the reason why I dislike adoptions. See she tried for what ten years to get a child from an adoption clinic? She told them she didn't care the age, or the gender, or if s/he was disabled, she would take the child in and love him/her to bits and peices and give him/her a good home. My aunt is a good woman, she would have been a wonderful mother.

She had offers of children, most of which spoke only spanish. My aunt is fluent in spanish in all forms from chicano to classical, but the adoption agencies DENIED her because her first language is english, not Spanish. This happened with many children. She either wasn't the correct religion, didn't have the right heredity, or her first language wasn't spanish.

10 years. Over and over.

The adoption agencies didn't feel one bit of remorse in informing her that because she wasn't JUST RIGHT they could probably never find her a child.

She finnaly adopted a girl she had taught for years, who lived in a foster home for her LAST YEAR as a minor. That girl is a wonderful girl, and the only reason why they were able to adopt her was because the Girl went through the process to ENSURE they would be able to adopt her.

Mind my aunt is in PERFECT finicial situation, both her and my uncle are stable with degrees. They have no spots on their record and are practically model citizens and still adoption agencies refused her. (Yes she tried MANY)

Sorry I don't like adoption agencies, or the idea of putting a child up for adoption as a choice if you don't want a child. There are MILLIONS of children without homes, and yet this wonderful home was refused a child.

That will never make sense to me.

Do any of you know anything that could be done to ensure that situations like this never happen again? Because to me it seems just wrong.


Since adoption is not a well working choice at the moment I think it would be worth while to at least try to fix a choice that Pro life Can agree with as we don't always need to fight with them to get things done.

I ask you consider the last point in my quoted post and respond to it.

Thanks very much!

PS: I encourage PL lurkers to post their veiws as well. We arn't as divided on this issue, and as such we should put our resources together to work on it!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:33 pm


I know, it doesn't make sense. Tons of people need kids, tons of kids need homes, so why are they all still waiting?

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Akhakhu

PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:26 pm


More government homes on orphanages. They can be run like bording schools (but perhaps with slacker rules). This allows for very direct government interference to make sure that the kids are being well-cared for. Another benefit is that it gives kids a "permanent home" they can look to, with other children they can expect to be around for a long time. Another advantage is that it can alleviate the desparation for temporary foster homes, allowing the government to make standards for foster parents much higher (to weed out, to an extend, those who abuse the system and the kids they are given).

Honestly, I don't even hear about orphanages in the US and I think it's crazy. I think that, while they have been handled very badly in the past, they can be an extremely great asset in making sure that orphaned and abandoned children are well cared for.

I don't think that there is any other way to "fix" the problem in the adoption system. You can't force people to adopt other people's children. And I think that putting in restrictions so that prospective parents can't know what age/sex/color/health their adoptive child will have would do more harm than good (encouraging black market baby trades and discouraging people from choosing adoption).

I also don't support restrictions on adopting from foreign countries. I find it incredibly xenocentric to say "take care of our own, first!" Often, orphans in other countries such as China or Easter Europe have a much harder life than those in the US. I don't think that we should just say "screw them, they don't have US citizenship."
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:39 pm


Well, that's another strike for the adoption system in my book.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:51 pm


So well some of us agree there is a problem in denying good homes the right to adopt, so how do we fix this?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:57 pm


Faeyas
So well some of us agree there is a problem in denying good homes the right to adopt, so how do we fix this?

I don't know too much about this. From what I do know, the process is only as long and as expensive as it is if the child you are looking for is a perfect white newborn (or from another country). I know the restrictions to be a foster parent, at least, are near nil.

But if there is a problem for all adoptions, then I am on the fence. At what point is it ok to compromise the future of kids (by putting them into homes that haven't been thoroughly checked out) in an effort to just get them into homes at all?

Then again, there are no background checks or waiting lists to get pregnant and keep a child. So I guess we need to look at it from that perspective as well. Would a criminal records/***** suspicion be enough? And screw the rest? I think I might think so.

Akhakhu


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:46 pm


I only know two couples who adopted. One wanted a mixed race baby since the wife is white and the husband is black. They got their first (still an infant) within a few months, and got him a baby brother after a couple years. The other couple adopted three Ukrainian children.

One of my friends was adopted and his parents waited years to get him, but they wanted a newborn, white child born to Christian parents.

I don't know about the kinds of problems you're describing, and not having thought of them before, I'm not sure I'm in a position to recommend any changes. I can certainly mull it over, though.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:34 pm


I met someone living in Switzerland who adopted four children from the Ukraine, now that you mention it. She was completely nuts and unfit to be a mother, let alone a mother to that many children. In her case, some background psych evaluation would have been a benefit. She got them extremely easily. I don't think she even paid that much.

Akhakhu


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:21 pm


sad thats extremely not fair, my aunt didn't care what kind of child she got, and would have been a good mother and yet...

GAH Yes a psych test is a good idea.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:56 pm


This is why so many Americans adopt from Russia or China.

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Akhakhu

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:21 pm


vivaluna
This is why so many Americans adopt from Russia

Having heard a great deal of the orphanages in Russia (my husband's mother used to collect food and knit clothes for the kids so they'd bring them over every so often), that's not such a bad idea. Bad as the US foster care system may be, at least they aren't slowly dying of tuberculosis and starvation.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:05 pm


I'm for not putting chldren up for adaoption. Why? There are too many kids up for adoption as it is. Not to mention you have to wait about a year to adopt (there are also certain types of children that are adopted - mainly white males and asian females).

The act is fine, but don't make 'em. Adopt a kid.

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