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 Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:44 pm
I was doing some reading from some notes I got at school, I have to write a essay about abortion, its going pretty well ^^.
And from my notes I was reading about the Paul Hill case, where he killed a doctor who done abortions. He stated that he was "taking the life of a murderer who intended to commit further murders". And Paul Hill was thus executed for this.
This has got me thinking. People belive that abortion is wrong, yet some join extreme abortion groups. It just seems very confusing to me, because I thought pro-life wanted to stop "cruel cold blooded murders" not commit more.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:30 pm
Unwanted Fairy I was doing some reading from some notes I got at school, I have to write a essay about abortion, its going pretty well ^^.
And from my notes I was reading about the Paul Hill case, where he killed a doctor who done abortions. He stated that he was "taking the life of a murderer who intended to commit further murders". And Paul Hill was thus executed for this.
This has got me thinking. People belive that abortion is wrong, yet some join extreme abortion groups. It just seems very confusing to me, because I thought pro-life wanted to stop "cruel cold blooded murders" not commit more. Bolded the key word here. The concept of "Pro-Life" clinic bombers is about as confusing as the concept of "Muslim" terrorists. Some go against the majority way and take very extremist and downright twisted views. If you can understand the that "Muslim" and "Terrorist" are not synonymous, the the same reasoning can be used to explain why "Pro-lifer" and "Clinic Bomber" are also not synonymous with each other. Most of us see that there is something fundamentally wrong in bombing clinics. It's just that violent clinic bombings make better news headlines than peaceful protests and new pregnancy aid centers. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:54 pm
Let's face it, no matter what group one talks about, there is always going to be some violent extremists who give them a bad name.
I have always felt that the best way to distince the majority of the group, who is (hopefully) sane and non-violent, is for them to speak out against these violent people/groups. Let people know that being Pro-Life (Muslim, Christian, male, female, gay, straight, an animal rights activist, whathaveyou) does not mean harming others.
I do think that the amount of "Pro-Life" violence has dropped in the past few years.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:00 pm
Yes, the amount has significantly dropped. But then again, that might be due to the putting of most extremists behind bars, you know what I'm saying?
Anyways, I do consider clinic bombers quite... Ironic.
Of course prolife doesn't mean clinic bombers. I'd be hard pressed to find any idea that Lymelady, for an example, would hurt anyone in that manner.
I personally speak out against ELF and ALF and whatever other -LF there are. I believe that me being vegan and animal rights and speaking out against them is a very effective tool in convincing people that we aren't just "LOLMG MEAT IS MURDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oneoneoneone!"
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:08 pm
..Le Chat du Noir.. Yes, the amount has significantly dropped. But then again, that might be due to the putting of most extremists behind bars, you know what I'm saying? Anyways, I do consider clinic bombers quite... Ironic. Of course prolife doesn't mean clinic bombers. I'd be hard pressed to find any idea that Lymelady, for an example, would hurt anyone in that manner. I personally speak out against ELF and ALF and whatever other -LF there are. I believe that me being vegan and animal rights and speaking out against them is a very effective tool in convincing people that we aren't just "LOLMG MEAT IS MURDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oneoneoneone!" I find the idea of Lymelady bombing anything just inconcievable. I don't get the Liberation Fronts. They make my brain hurt. Anyone who tells me "meat is murder" is going to get laughed at. Though there is a wonderful Cafe Press shirt that says "meat is murder, but I'm OK with that". xd I think that the small minority of clinic bombers are mostly imprisioned/exectuted (now that is an irony there: they were killed for killing people who they saw as killers) and this seems to have almost "killed" off what was briefly a crazy-person fad. Hopefully, Pro-Life protests will continue to be non-violent.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:40 pm
I feel kinda bad saying this, but I really do sympathize with the people who bomb abortion clinics. I understand where they are coming from, they are trying to stop people from killing others. They view abortion clinics for what they are. I mean what if someone bombed a holocaust death camp, and everyone called them extremists because they tried to stop them from killing jews, but in the process killed a few nazis. Also I've never been a fan of democracy and our system of government, as I really don't trust it. I really am willing to go outside of conventional norms to do what is right, even if that means breaking the law.
As to whether or not I'd actually do anything violent, I'm leaning toward no, but I honestly question if I would should I get personally involved. I just find it really hard to denounce them, when I feel very similar to them. I find it hard to denounce someone who is killing a murderer, especially one they know is going to murder again.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:07 pm
i must agree with karl- i can see where they are coming from. would i bomb a clinic? no, not likely. but i can see where those who do it are coming from. i can also see where al quedia is coming from. doesn't make it right.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:27 pm
I'm sorry guys. I'm as pro-life as pro-life can be, but I have to absolutely denounce clinic bombers as not being pro-life. They're pushing their movement to the level where innocents in the ******** waiting room and nurses and such die.
If you can't achieve your goal without spilling blood, you have to consider if that's a goal you really NEED to achieve.
Clinic bombers are, to me, not seeing the whole side of the abortion issue. It's absolutely the wrong way to go about battling something like abortion.
No sympathy, No excuse.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:11 am
I know of a community on line that promotes clinic bombing. I think they are the most extreme "pro-life" group I have ever seen (I put that in quotes because I believe it would be insulting to all of you to call these people pro-life). I actually stumbled upon this group when I was a young teenager just learning about abortion and for a few years I actually believed that everyone who was pro-life was as extreme and downright crazy as the people in this particular community. It wasn't until I started college that I realized that the majority of people who are pro-life are very reasonable.
Still, the extremists really freak me out. They celebrate the day the clinic was bombed, and the birthday of the bomber. They promote harassment of the doctors and nurses involved in abortion at their own homes. They even harass the surrounding businesses that allow the doctors to shop in their stores. I've tried to have civil discussions with them but no matter what I say they call me a baby-killer. Once I posted in an non-abortion related topic that was about a child who had been kidnapped, raped, and murdered. I just said something about how it was terribly tragic and the people at that community started attacking me because apparently I didn't have the right to speak out again the abuse of born children because I don't protect unborn children.
This group also promotes hate against just about every group of people that isn't white, heterosexual, christian and male. They are a terrible representation of pro-life people and I think its really awful that because of people like them others get the wrong idea about what pro-life means.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:15 pm
Mcphee If you can't achieve your goal without spilling blood, you have to consider if that's a goal you really NEED to achieve. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Violence only leads to violence.
I don't symphasize with anyone who bombs anything. For any purpose. I don't respect, understand, or bow my head to anyone who murders to end murder.
We are not savages. We can think. We can use logic and understanding and reasoning.
We have reached an age where it is not necessary to destroy the destroyers. I am not a caveman in a loincloth. I can think. I can rationalize.
And anyone who is so incapable of doing so that they need to spill blood to make a statement is nothing more than an animal to me.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:35 pm
I disagree with clinic bombers...toa degree.
But i disagre with the concept that you don't have to destroy a destroyer...
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:53 pm
karllikespies I feel kinda bad saying this, but I really do sympathize with the people who bomb abortion clinics. I understand where they are coming from, they are trying to stop people from killing others. Which is why I wouldn't denounce someone who destroyed property without hurting anyone. If I had the opportunity to trash Iran's (or, hell, the U.S.'s) stash of nuclear weapons, I'd do that too. But ultimately the point is to prevent people from being hurt, and thus hurting someone in the process would be counterproductive and hypocritical.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:28 pm
Not to mention you'de get your a** blown sky high by special ops group protectign the arms before oyu even made it in the facility whee
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:24 am
I would have to agree with the above stated, I have absolutely no problem when an empty facility is bombed and no one is hurt.
Will someone please explain to me why its wrong to kill a murderer to prevent them from killing more people.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:07 am
We're civilized humans. It is not necessary to kill to make a political statement. Which is why we're pro-life.
There are ways to save lives without taking any.
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