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 Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:44 pm
So I was browsing the pro-life guild, out of mere curiosity, and I noticed something.
As far as the Abortion Thread goes, they have a point.
Those pro-choicers who debate there are scaring off the intelligent pro-lifers.
Why?
Because they're swarming them.
I went into the ED, and Lady__Miko had posted. I saw so many replies to her (3 I think at the same time), and she replied to two.
I have witnessed, and participated in, situations like this where there were 5, 6 replies at once to one person, and now I think... Damn, that must be intimidating.
No wonder alot of pro-life posts are post-and-runs.
So, Pro-Choice Guild, I make a simple request of you.
PLEASE, those of you that post in the thread, CHILL A LITTLE?
Not everyone needs to reply to the same post.
Perhaps if the thread is more friendly and less swarming on pro-lifers, more will come and we won't HAVE to swarm them.
Discussion:
- Do you think that there's a problem? Sorry if this belongs in FCF or something...
First time making a thread in PCG in perhaps... Ever.
gonk
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:11 pm
I don't do to the thread very often because of that reason. Everyone else usually covers my points better than me. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:13 pm
Well, we can't exactly help that our numbers are so much higher than the lifers. Also, they don't show up in droves, usually one or two at a time at most- I'd welcome them doing so. Though, yeah, I can't blame them for not being happy with being swarmed, and especially if all six people complain because they're not being replied to.
That said, sometimes it's hard to keep the responses down. A pro-life person posts, and you either see that no one else has posted yet, and hit the 'quote button', or you wait a little bit...and see maybe one person reply (while everyone else is typing out their responses). And so you reply as well. We can't exactly time posting, and we hardly plan mass replies to the same post- and I'd have to say that most of the people who post regularly in the ED thread like to debate, so it's harder for them to stay uninvolved.
So, meh, all I really have to say is to not rag on the lifers so much when they either respond slower, don't get to your post, or decide to stick with debating one or two choicers at the moment, instead of all five. That said, if the lifers don't like the choicer to lifer ratio, they can plan their own jamboree and swarm the thread at an arranged time- it's not really our problem if they don't have the numbers to post like we do. I don't see a need to be 'friendly' so that more lifers join in the discussion (I'd say the majority have been warned off. Notice the amount of lifers that post in new abortion threads, versus the main one...), just not overly antagonistic so that we're driving them off with nothing but hostility.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:37 pm
1) As Reinna said, we can't exactly tag team our responces.
2) Let's put this into perspective. They are trying to TAKE AWAY OUR HUMAN RIGHTS. They are complainings that we are too numerous when we explain to them the huge gaping holes and fallacies in their arguments. I mean, honestly. If they haven't learned to expect a lot of responces when they TRY TO TAKE AWAY OUR HUMAN RIGHTS, that's fault to them, not us.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:10 pm
pidgezero_one I don't do to the thread very often because of that reason. Everyone else usually covers my points better than me. sweatdrop
But, really, I don't think it's that big of a problem. Yeah, if you see someone's already replied and you're just going to say the exact same thing -- not make any new points -- that's kinda a waste of typing. But I've been in other threads where there have been numerous posts I have to respond to, whether original or replies to me, and I don't have a problem with it... because I have responses I'm confident in.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:04 am
Kukushka 1) As Reinna said, we can't exactly tag team our responces. 2) Let's put this into perspective. They are trying to TAKE AWAY OUR HUMAN RIGHTS. They are complainings that we are too numerous when we explain to them the huge gaping holes and fallacies in their arguments. I mean, honestly. If they haven't learned to expect a lot of responces when they TRY TO TAKE AWAY OUR HUMAN RIGHTS, that's fault to them, not us. We aren't doing anything to them but sharing our side of the story...so what if we get a little vehement...it's my body they're trying to control..
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:52 am
Kukushka 2) Let's put this into perspective. They are trying to TAKE AWAY OUR HUMAN RIGHTS. They are complainings that we are too numerous when we explain to them the huge gaping holes and fallacies in their arguments. I mean, honestly. If they haven't learned to expect a lot of responces when they TRY TO TAKE AWAY OUR HUMAN RIGHTS, that's fault to them, not us. THIS IS GAIA. WHAT WE SAY HERE HAS NO EFFECT ON THE GOVERNMENT AND OUR RIGHTS. So it's no reason to be "RAWRRAWR [insert facts here]" from 5 people at one person and then go " crying crying J00 SKIPPED ME! [insert quote here]" when they only reply to a few. It irks me, I'm sorry, but I personally would love to debate with someone. However, I CAN'T in the thread because we're scaring off lifers. Why can't we just... Debate? But it gets harder and harder as our numbers grow and they retreat into their guild and cry because they can't debate because there's so many of us and we scare them.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:21 am
Simple answer: Hell to the ******** NO.
I'm tired of these threads, and they make me even more hostile towards anti-choicers. If they weren't such pansy assed mother ******** who personally insulted us by name in their guild, actually had a point, dind't cry like little bitches ever time someone used actual facts and statistics to crush their point, and actually debated properly, maybe so many people woudln't need to reply.
We can't help it if there are more of us than them. We can't help it that a lot of us use the computer at the same time. We can't help it if some of us each have different points for the same post. This isn't a chatroom. It's not hard to reply to more than one post. I personally will not stop posting in the ED thread, and I won't cut them any slack.
If this is just Gaia, and nothing we do will change anything, then why don't we just close the ******** guild and be done with it, hmm? What's teh point of anything we do?
It doesn't matter if it's just on Gaia. They actively fight to remove our rights. Some of them can vote. They spread missinformation, propaganda, lies, hate and ignorance. They don't care if a woman dies in a back alley abortion. They don't care if she looses her job becuae she has to stay home and care for unwanted kids. I'll be damned if I stop what I'm doing because they can't hack it on the internet. If they can't hack it here, they can't hack it in the real world.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:05 am
I've gotten swamped and contributed to swamping in numerous threads on numerous topics. It can't really be helped since it is online debating. I can understand your point from an objective point of view, but I don't think it's really going to change since this is the Internet. Not to be intentionally offensive, but Gaians tend to be younger, and younger people, especially teenagers, like to strawman debate. This is when someone takes a single little piece of information, i.e. a piece of straw, and picks at it then blows it out of proportion, ignoring the actual issue at hand, the strawman. In my experience, you can't get around it. :-/ That's why I prefer to debate in person; it's more real so to speak. Not only that, but when I debate in person, I learn a lot more. Online, I tend to just get annoyed because it can literally become a petty war of words.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:20 am
Exactly what's the problem when we outnumber them? it was easily the other way around when the guild started... the only difference is, we've actually congealed to a force.
If the facts are intimidating, so be it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:51 am
I'm really sorry, but I will not lay off. I am sure to be polite and courteous (most of the time) and, if they aren't willing to remain then that is their issue, not mine. I enjoy debating abortion and I typically spend a good deal of my time on Gaia doing just that.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:55 am
Chickabiddy THIS IS GAIA. WHAT WE SAY HERE HAS NO EFFECT ON THE GOVERNMENT AND OUR RIGHTS. It's the principle of the thing. These people believe, through ignorance or hatred, that I should have my human rights removed. If it is through ignorance, I will educated them (even if others are also trying to do so). If it is through hatred, then I will damn well let them know how I feel about that. Chickabiddy So it's no reason to be "RAWRRAWR [insert facts here]" from 5 people at one person and then go " crying crying J00 SKIPPED ME! [insert quote here]" when they only reply to a few. The "you skipped me" thing is excessive. That I agree with. However, I have very rarely seen it occur when one pro-lifer is simply unable to handle so many answers. It almost always occurs when the pro-lifer will ignore all the strong and valid arguments and respond to the one post by a noob that says "zomg! Dun b such a h8er!" Chickabiddy I personally would love to debate with someone. However, I CAN'T in the thread because we're scaring off lifers. There are debates in the thread. However, if it is that much of an issue, why not join the abortion debate guild? Or pick one who posts or from the pro-life guild and ask if they would like to debate with you via PM where they are guaranteed not to be swarmed? Chickabiddy Why can't we just... Debate? Because there are a lot of people and tag-teaming responces is so difficult that it might as well be considered impossible. Not to mention that there is no debate. Swarmed or not, many of these people will make their arguments WITHOUT READING THE FIRST PAGE. How is a debate going to progress in a rational way when one side has not even read the evidence and arguments presented on the very first page? Nearly every argument they make is refuted ON THE FRONT PAGE. Therefore, any semblence of a "debate" that we may have consists simply of pro-choicers repeating what was said ON THE FRONT PAGE. The pro-lifers, in general, do not even read or try to refute what is on the front page. They come in, guerilla spam their hatred and ignorance, and retreat. Most do not read responces and, if they do, will pick and choose the most uninformed ones to respond to. That's not a debate.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:08 pm
Chickabiddy has a point about lifers being scared off by the sheer number of choicers. I don't think there's a problem of hostility at all, really, just sheer number.
Problem is, there's no way to tell when someone else is going to reply. Pro-lifers are sparse, so they get the undivided attention of every choicer in the room, and we choicers can't tell when there are two other choicers in the room or six. Seriously, if I try to post, I'll hit "preview" to find three other people have already replied, and not everyone uses the preview button, either.
To make an analogy, there is no "chill" option on the debate freezer, there's only room temperature and negative-ten degrees Celcius. Who's supposed to leave the freezer and let their debate skills mold at room temperature, and why should they be asked to, when it's not their fault?
The best solution is in the pro-lifers hands. Their guild is plenty active. It's got as many posts as the PCG, I think, and they don't even have as many members as us! If they posted half as much in the debate thread, there wouldn't be such a disproportionate lifer-choicer ratio.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:30 pm
I must agree with Kukushka and Reinna, though I do feel a bit sorry for the anti-choicers who post there. The poor souls actually believe what they tell us and are getting overwhelmed by responses from people who are criticizing them for it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:38 pm
Kukushka Chickabiddy I personally would love to debate with someone. However, I CAN'T in the thread because we're scaring off lifers. There are debates in the thread. However, if it is that much of an issue, why not join the abortion debate guild? Or pick one who posts or from the pro-life guild and ask if they would like to debate with you via PM where they are guaranteed not to be swarmed? She's not saying that she won't/can't do that. She's just saying that she feels she can't do it in the official abortion thread.
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