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Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:46 am


Ok, so my grandma went on a trip to northern and eastern europe a few weeks ago on a jewish tour thing and she went around and saw all the remaining jewish communities and temples in the baltic states and russia and what not, and she said something that really bugged me. She said that in these places, every temple had a soup kitchen where they fed the poor and homeless jews of their community even though they themselves had barely anything at all. Living in America, the only religious places which soup kitchens that Ive ever heard of are churches, and it got me thinking, are american jews really actually helping to spread the stereotype of being greedy? Every temple Ive ever seen charges ridiculous amounts of money to join then even more ridiculous amounts of money to go to regular services, let alone the high holy days. It really bugs me in a way that I dont like.

Your thoughts?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:10 am


Considering how my temple is located in upper middle class suburbs, I don't see how we would be helpin anyone by a soup kitchen. If anyone who lived nearby wanted soup, they could go buy it at Giant Eagle about 3/4 blocks away.

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Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:28 am


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Considering how my temple is located in upper middle class suburbs, I don't see how we would be helpin anyone by a soup kitchen. If anyone who lived nearby wanted soup, they could go buy it at Giant Eagle about 3/4 blocks away.


but thats what Im talking about. the people with the soup kitchens had barely anything yet they still did them, but we have alot more and do way less
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:55 am


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Considering how my temple is located in upper middle class suburbs, I don't see how we would be helpin anyone by a soup kitchen. If anyone who lived nearby wanted soup, they could go buy it at Giant Eagle about 3/4 blocks away.


but thats what Im talking about. the people with the soup kitchens had barely anything yet they still did them, but we have alot more and do way less



I Never really heard of these soup kitchens, but i know that my synagogue, every year they have a "cadillac Raffle" and its open to everyone, its a HUUUUGE fest, i mean huge, all the food you can imagine, and all the alchohol you can imagine, for absolutely free. i swear that night i ate 2 whole chicken, a plate full of mini hot dogs, about 3 whole bottles of manishwitz, and alot more, and i saw people there that werent even jewish. for God sake, a woman even wore a cross there

but back to what you were saying before. no one should pay for religion, you want to beleive in something, you shouldnt put a price on beleifs. and people making a buisness out of it is completly wrong and should stop it right now. And yes, help the people, because if you dont, theyll just wont give a ******** anymore, like kinda whats going on with me, lol

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SKJC

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:40 pm


I know I can't afford the $180 tickets they're selling for Rosh Hashana/Yom Kippur... So I'm going to services at Chabad, where it's free, rather than at my regular shul. I explained to my rabbi already that I don't have the money. x_X
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:21 pm


There is a church in the town I love in that demands your yearly income so they how much to expect for your 10% thing that you're supposed to give to your church everytime you make money...I think it's disgusting.

I agree that no one should have to pay to worship God. I understand churches/synagogues needing money for upkeep or donations and what not, but when they use it for stupid s**t, like 3 GIGANTIC crosses, or huge facilities, and other such things, that's when it's getting out of hand.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:24 pm


umm...I don't know where you live, but here, it's very different.


There's always some sort of a fundraiser going on, donations to the poor, and canned food drives. It's a fairly good neighborhood, yes, but that doesn't mean they don't do a lot and aren't trying to help.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:09 pm


Gma"ch, or Gmilut Chasadim Stations are VERY widespead here in Israel. In our neighbourhood alone, we have 2 major ones going on, feeding not only people from our own neighbourhood, but also people from around. A unit of a enough food for a family for a whole week is prepared by people from the neighbourhood that donate their own time to pack and distribute the units of food. Each unit is only five shekels, and distributed weekly (the actual food is worth roughly three hundred).

I go there occasionaly to help... It very hard work sweatdrop .

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ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:41 am


what naphtali said is absolutely true-and should be true for every jewish community. i can't even count how many times the torah mentions "the widow, the orphan, the poor, and the prosilyte". one of the outstanding characteristics of a proper, functioning, observant community is the way it treats those less fortunate among them. that, and respect for elders, but that's another, very interesting (and slightly depressing) discussion. sadly, most jewish communities aren't exactly properly functioning or observant, so there you go.

although i disagree with the entrance fee quite strongly, one cannot claim that it's unjustified; shuls need money too, and it's simply the easiest fast way to acheive funding, especially in areas where poeple only show up that time of year, and things like "membership", and "donations from a supporting community" don't work. in my area, most shuls (that's synagogues, for the frie among us) charge a certain fee to reserve a seat. come rosh hashana, the doors are open for all, but one can't count on having a place to sit.

ma'aser (from the hebrew word for a tenth, litteraly, tithe) is the 10% "income tax" a jew is obligated to give, originally to the cities of the levyim, but nowadays to charity. when in doubt, always assume christianity stole it from somewhere else.

the problem with soup kitchens in jewish communities is that they only work in primarily jewsh areas, require funding, and above all, demand. i don't know any really rich jewish families, but most live well enough, even if on debt. hardly anybody today qualifies as "impovershed" acccording to jewish law, anyway (one must be inable to afford 2 meals, which today translates to about $5-10, in order to be elligible for food)

one of the major reasons, if not the reason, we do not have the third temple today is because of the way we treat our fellow jew. (i may have been biased or mislead/misleading before with such absolute statements, but this is as true as anything. please, please talk it to heart. it's why so many weep on tisha b'av. and to those who keep tikun chatzos, my hat goes off to you (figuratively speaking, of course))
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:14 pm


My rabbi is kind to everyone about the regular shul membership fees - and he also doesn't charge fees to any of his gerus students like a lot of the rabbis in Brooklyn and Queens do, thankfully. Everyone pays what they can, and for more than a few, that's more than enough to support the shul, and the rest of us help out.

I actually DO understand about the high holidays seats - but what bugs me is like the emails I get from a women's learning list I'm unfortunately subscribed to, advertising a huge, ritzy Rosh Hashana thing in some grand hotel ballroom or some crap, catering to high-class frum women, and tickets are an obscene price, and they could be using all that money for so many other things. Kind of what kingpinsqeezels was saying about churches. sweatdrop

SKJC


kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:29 pm


darkphoenix1247
umm...I don't know where you live, but here, it's very different.


There's always some sort of a fundraiser going on, donations to the poor, and canned food drives. It's a fairly good neighborhood, yes, but that doesn't mean they don't do a lot and aren't trying to help.
I live in Bentonville. Home of Wal * Mart and too many rich snobs with too much money. The kind of people who buy Hummers just to show that they have that kind of money...

Thank God for the Middle and Lower Class.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:45 pm


According to... And now I can't remember where I read it, it was several months ago, but at the time I looked it up and it looked like reliable information: Jews make up about 2% of the North American population and a little less than 1% of the world's population. Yet Jews contribute nearly 20% of the charitable funds distributed in the US and abroad. Ten times more than our fair share.

No, I don't think American Jews are contributing to the image of Jews as greedy money-grubbers. I think American Jews are willing to be anonymous donors, giving for the sake of giving, rather than for the sake of being publicly known as givers.

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ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:49 pm


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No, I don't think American Jews are contributing to the image of Jews as greedy money-grubbers.
as if that mattered.

ever heard of a place called new square?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:50 pm


Akhilles
no one should pay for religion, you want to beleive in something, you shouldnt put a price on beleifs. and people making a buisness out of it is completly wrong and should stop it right now.


No one has to pay for beliefs. What people are paying for is for the synagogue building and maintenance, electricity, water, heat in the winter, air conditioning in the summer, the office staff who need to make a living, the clergy who also need to make a living, the classes that are taught all the time for free or VERY cheap, the books that have to be bought and then replaced when people are careless and wear them out rapidly, the scholarships (Jewish kids can get a lot of their schooling paid for by their synagogues if they know how to ask), the ANONYMOUSLY GIVEN donations to various organizations like soup kitchens and women's shelters, and a dozen other little things. Those needs exist all year long, even if you personally only attend shul on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.

If you're ever wondering where the money goes, call your synagogue and ask for an itemized list of the year's expenses. You'll get a very thorough list, detailing where every dime was spent.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:53 pm


Divash
Akhilles
no one should pay for religion, you want to beleive in something, you shouldnt put a price on beleifs. and people making a buisness out of it is completly wrong and should stop it right now.


No one has to pay for beliefs. What people are paying for is for the synagogue building and maintenance, electricity, water, heat in the winter, air conditioning in the summer, the office staff who need to make a living, the clergy who also need to make a living, the classes that are taught all the time for free or VERY cheap, the books that have to be bought and then replaced when people are careless and wear them out rapidly, the scholarships (Jewish kids can get a lot of their schooling paid for by their synagogues if they know how to ask), the ANONYMOUSLY GIVEN donations to various organizations like soup kitchens and women's shelters, and a dozen other little things. Those needs exist all year long, even if you personally only attend shul on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.

If you're ever wondering where the money goes, call your synagogue and ask for an itemized list of the year's expenses. You'll get a very thorough list, detailing where every dime was spent.
not all synagogues are so thorough or judgmental with their finances.
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