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Thallus and Phlegon
Both were ancient historians and both confirmed the fact that the land went dark when Jesus was crucified. This parallels what the Bible said happened when Jesus died.

Mara Bar-Serapion
Some time after 70 A.D., Mara Bar-Sarapion, who was probably a Stoic philosopher, wrote a letter to his son in which he describes how the Jews executed their King. Claiming to be a king was one of the charges the religious authorities used to scare Pontius Pilate into agreeing to execute Jesus.

Josephus
Josephus was a Jewish historian who was born in either 37 or 38 AD and died some time after 100 AD. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually rose from the dead


Also, this should probally be in the debate area... hmm?

lol we are sure that he could heal. cuz when we heal in Jesus name it works. [:

do you exist prove it.

I think she was pointing out you a good argument

Good point.. but if we accept that the stuff around is is real, and forensics work.. (and let's face it, this certainly seems the most likely.. and besides, tons of philosophers have wasted tons of time debating it, so I don't see the point in an amatuer philosopher like me wasting any time on the subject) then yeah, I say there are ways to prove Jesus existed.

And people have, haven't they? I dunno. I saw a show on it. Good old TV. There's enough evidence for me. I mean, it's more likely then the idea that someone just made him up one day.;; What with the huge following he gained and all. It's not like media was mass-produced back then, so a fictional character would have had a hard time of it.

the real question to people is that was jesus really the son of god like he claimed to be. like everyone i know that isnt christian knows that he was real but say he was just a normal human. there was even a course at my brothers old college about who was jesus was historically.

Here's an argument for God's existance, which when we prove God's existance, pretty much means we prove Jesus' existance.

Try this on for size razz (I mean that in a holy way, not in a bad way!)

According to science, and more importantly, our own observations, there had to be an original creator because nothing here, whether you believe we live in a temporal reality or anything else, lives forever. Science, and once again, observations, prove that everything dies in some way. For instance, an atom does not remain the same for it's entire life. At some point the atom splits and forms two more or four more or any number more depending on the reaction. The original does not still exist, it was split in however many atoms you have. So, there must have been a creating force of some kind because nothing could have just lived forever. Evolution is not instantaneous, it takes millions upon millions of years and repetitious behaviour to change some part of any given animal. So, nothing we know about lives for millions of years. What if there were an animal that could live for millions of years? What would that prove? I could have said ten million, the fact is it still dies which mean it couldn't have "Always existed." The only force that can "Always Exist" would have to be that creating force, or God.

I'll answer arguments to this.

Part Two:

In answer to the person who asked if we exist or not and for us to prove it. That is another topic, and one that really has no bearing on this subject. Your proposing that we don't exist and that this "Reality" as we know it is a figment of our imagination. What you can't explain, is that if this is a figment of our imagination or if we don't exist really, where are we? We, the person, intellect, will, mind, soul, and expression filled human being must be somewhere. Whether or not this is our real life, the fact that we die still backs-up my above point. So i ask you, if we don't exist, where are we?