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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:58 am
Ok here is my issue with this topic. Alot of people do alot of bitching about RMTs and seriously does this s**t really get to you one way or another. Now FYI i am not talking about the ones that camp NMs and use hacks to get claim, that s**t is just wrong. But the people that go on and on and on about someone being an RMT just cause they do'nt have a support job or cause there still Rank 1. FOr the love of god STFU about it. Maybe they do'nt know how to get a support job or have no one to help them with it. Maybe they do'nt want to do Rank mission cause they would rather level to higher levels first so they can breeze through the Ranks. Also Speed Hacks, i swear to GOB that this is just a joke. Just cause there not THF or /THF does not mean there useing a speed hack. There are a ton of items that give increesed movement speed. Also so many people get pissed off about gil buyers. Ok well from a market stand point i can see where there comeing from but so many people get pissed off about it how the hell are the gil sellers mankeing any money if no one is buying the s**t. Now for a disclaimer before i get flamed up the rear here. I do not support gil buyers, gil sellers, third party programs (any , even windower), or anything else that is lumped with this general understanding. If you still feel i need to be flamed feel free to do so cause you are crazy at this point in the game. Also my lack of understanding these things may be that i do'nt fight with RMTs. I am not a high level and i really do'nt like the idea of Camping an NM (to much time wasted). *Edit* Wolftin Sio And typically, unless one person has a monopoly on a product, they'll try to sell the finish product for lower than their competitors. So really, it's not the crafters' fault. I think the problem is that there's so much more gil in circulation that the prices are inflating. Like previously stated, there's just not enough gil sinks, places where gil is taken out of the economy. This is true but it is not all the RMT's fault on this. SE has a formula for drop rate on gil. The RMT only regen the gil that is drop/obtained. They really do'nt run off of gil drops or NPCing stuff. Hell for that matter the gil you get from chests can cause that number to go up qucik depending on where you go. The inflation really is not the fault of the RMTs its really just like you say that SE has pleanty of ways for you to make gil and not alot of ways for them to get it back. Other then the RMTs keeping more gil in the system what other issue do they have on the economy in-game (other then the 3rd party stuff cause everyone here knows them useing that is just not fair to anyone).
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:42 am
Wolftin Ok here is my issue with this topic. Alot of people do alot of bitching about RMTs and seriously does this s**t really get to you one way or another. Now FYI i am not talking about the ones that camp NMs and use hacks to get claim, that s**t is just wrong. But the people that go on and on and on about someone being an RMT just cause they do'nt have a support job or cause there still Rank 1. FOr the love of god STFU about it. Maybe they do'nt know how to get a support job or have no one to help them with it. Maybe they do'nt want to do Rank mission cause they would rather level to higher levels first so they can breeze through the Ranks. Also Speed Hacks, i swear to GOB that this is just a joke. Just cause there not THF or /THF does not mean there useing a speed hack. There are a ton of items that give increesed movement speed. As for the Rank 1 with no subjob comment, I agree with you half way through. If I see a Rank 1, no subjobbed user in Valkurm, it's understandable. However, if I see a Rank 1, no sub running through Quifim or any other place that is past the 20+ battlefield, I begin to raise questions. ...Especially if there's an entire party of 'em. Wolftin Also so many people get pissed off about gil buyers. Ok well from a market stand point i can see where there comeing from but so many people get pissed off about it how the hell are the gil sellers mankeing any money if no one is buying the s**t. While you may not be buying gil, there are plenty of misguided users who are trading real-life money for in-game currency. It really messes up the economy within the game because there are not enough gil-sinks to put a lot of that gil back into Vana'diel. Yes, giving money to NPC's for chocobos, items, etc. is helping, but it's not keeping up to the millions of gil being created and sold. Wolftin Now for a disclaimer before i get flamed up the rear here. I do not support gil buyers, gil sellers, third party programs (any , even windower), or anything else that is lumped with this general understanding. If you still feel i need to be flamed feel free to do so cause you are crazy at this point in the game. I take a bit offense to that, thank you. Wolftin Also my lack of understanding these things may be that i do'nt fight with RMTs. I am not a high level and i really do'nt like the idea of Camping an NM (to much time wasted). I'm not a high level player, I don't fight with RMT's, but I still feel you're rather oblivious to the situation. You'll eventually have to camp NM's if you want to get certain items, whether it be for a quest, mission, or gear.
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:34 pm
gonk I became a rank 1 windy after swaping alliances, got asked about lfg as a rank 2 windy at 70, got the item I was after though and swaped back to sandy afterwards...(it's a rare/ex rank 8 item for windy...had no choice, great peice of gear for rdm..have a rank 10 and rank 8 though now on the same char, weeeee.)
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:21 pm
one people don't understand, this isn't really screwd up as much as people think "omfg prices are supper high!" "stfu" in all seriousness, the higher the prices the easier it is to make money (duh) people gill sell all the hell you want, at the end of the day looking past high numbers ITS NOT ANY DIFFRENT
ok, today we had a lvl 75 debateing if he should sell serkeet rin (lol@him) well anyway, its at 3 mil, he wants to wait for inflation (theres a great idea) but whats the use, everything he wants is going to just go up with it D: soooo at the end of the day it useless to complain about the prices, 1 because ya arn't gonna change anything 2. because it annoying
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:26 am
I really wish you would use more netiquette skills in these sorts of things. I'm having a bit difficulty following you.
But inflation has become a serious problem. And yes, it does make a difference. Last week I was earning some gil to buy a mahogany bed for my Mog house. At that time the price was around 70k. I finally get a bit more than 70k, go to the auction house, and come to find out that the prices have jumped to 120k.
Like I said, we need more gilsinks in the game. The events are the only times we get any real good gilsinks because of what the Moogles sell. Take our last event as an example. During the Sunbreeze Festival, the Moogles were offering up Rare/Ex +1 items from last year for sale. 25k for the top, 25k for the bottom. 50k right there total. Lots of people were purchasing these items because of their significance to the event. So, we need more sinks like this -- Offering up the special items for these prices.
The reason why inflation is so bad is because the money is being put back into the game. It's being transferred over to other users, who then continue building up on the price. And no, "higher prices mean easier money" is a lie.
It's annoying, yes, but it's not useless to complain. Many ideas can come out of complaining, and many ideas sometimes get heard.
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:19 pm
Cyril L. Gambino I really wish you would use more netiquette skills in these sorts of things. I'm having a bit difficulty following you. But inflation has become a serious problem. And yes, it does make a difference. Last week I was earning some gil to buy a mahogany bed for my Mog house. At that time the price was around 70k. I finally get a bit more than 70k, go to the auction house, and come to find out that the prices have jumped to 120k. Like I said, we need more gilsinks in the game. The events are the only times we get any real good gilsinks because of what the Moogles sell. Take our last event as an example. During the Sunbreeze Festival, the Moogles were offering up Rare/Ex +1 items from last year for sale. 25k for the top, 25k for the bottom. 50k right there total. Lots of people were purchasing these items because of their significance to the event. So, we need more sinks like this -- Offering up the special items for these prices. The reason why inflation is so bad is because the money is being put back into the game. It's being transferred over to other users, who then continue building up on the price. And no, "higher prices mean easier money" is a lie. It's annoying, yes, but it's not useless to complain. Many ideas can come out of complaining, and many ideas sometimes get heard. actualy its more true then you think, when SH was at 6million gold silk cloth was at 300k, now SH is at 3mil, guess what? silk cloth is 150k now which mean... it takes the Exact same amount of farming no matter what way you look at it my 3 mil woodsman rings droped to 1.5mil sense deflation and guess what, i can get same exact items now as i could then if i were to sell (90k>120k beds has nothing to do with gillsellers at all)
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:21 pm
Actualy inflation is a real problem that I had to deal with constantly before I took a break from FFXI.
I am a clothcrafter and my CC skill is 97.6, what I would do to make some of my gil would be to craft cursed mitts and hope for at least one -1 out of every batch. Well shortly after I started makeing cursed mitts RMT decided that they would start makeing their some of their cash with the gil they gained from selling Siren Hairs, the main ingreadient for cursed mitts. So there I am sitting at the AH watching in horror as the price of Sien hair went up, however dispite everything I could not seem to sell my cursed mitts any higher than the current sell price. Soon buying the materials cost more than selling the finished product. So I was stuck with a hard choice to make, keep makeing the mitts in hopes of getting a -1 enough to make up for all I lost on NQ and then some, or find other methods to make the gil I needed.
RMT's are a big problem and it needs to stoped.
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:50 pm
Kriton Actualy inflation is a real problem that I had to deal with constantly before I took a break from FFXI. I am a clothcrafter and my CC skill is 97.6, what I would do to make some of my gil would be to craft cursed mitts and hope for at least one -1 out of every batch. Well shortly after I started makeing cursed mitts RMT decided that they would start makeing their some of their cash with the gil they gained from selling Siren Hairs, the main ingreadient for cursed mitts. So there I am sitting at the AH watching in horror as the price of Sien hair went up, however dispite everything I could not seem to sell my cursed mitts any higher than the current sell price. Soon buying the materials cost more than selling the finished product. So I was stuck with a hard choice to make, keep makeing the mitts in hopes of getting a -1 enough to make up for all I lost on NQ and then some, or find other methods to make the gil I needed. RMT's are a big problem and it needs to stoped. Ok you people are getting off topic. The fact that this stuff goes up may not be only RMT. Supply and Demand is the facter the effect this s**t. My issues in this Thread was not RMT its the Witch Hunt that goes on with this.
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:15 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:34 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:24 pm
Kriton Actualy inflation is a real problem that I had to deal with constantly before I took a break from FFXI. I am a clothcrafter and my CC skill is 97.6, what I would do to make some of my gil would be to craft cursed mitts and hope for at least one -1 out of every batch. Well shortly after I started makeing cursed mitts RMT decided that they would start makeing their some of their cash with the gil they gained from selling Siren Hairs, the main ingreadient for cursed mitts. So there I am sitting at the AH watching in horror as the price of Sien hair went up, however dispite everything I could not seem to sell my cursed mitts any higher than the current sell price. Soon buying the materials cost more than selling the finished product. So I was stuck with a hard choice to make, keep makeing the mitts in hopes of getting a -1 enough to make up for all I lost on NQ and then some, or find other methods to make the gil I needed. RMT's are a big problem and it needs to stoped. its not really RMT, sirens hair arn't even close to a cornerd maket at all, when you have O kote, thats a problem, but 90% of rmt dont naturals raise prices, they sell quick not put them up for outrageous prices
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:04 pm
Wow. some of you are ******** retarted. The reason the economy is ******** is because of a combination of 3 things. 1. RMT useing bots and speed hacks to claim HNMs. Weather or not you want to believe it is your buisness but when you see 50 people all on /follow running through CN to get to Simurgh 5 days in a row and those same people are claiming the NM every time you start to think something is up. 2. Greddy pricks that craft. These are the people that see the market of crafting as there own little play thing. They have the skills and the gil so they decide whats high and whats low. They controll the market so that they are the only ones that can make money. 3. (Not really a reason but more of an answer for the other people) A speed hack allows your players movent speed to be dramatically increased without useing job abilitys or equipment. and when im seeing a guy in pull pld AF vokeing mobs but moveing at crazy speeds i consider that a hack.
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:25 am
The Real Batosai Wow. some of you are ******** retarted. The reason the economy is ******** is because of a combination of 3 things. 1. RMT useing bots and speed hacks to claim HNMs. Weather or not you want to believe it is your buisness but when you see 50 people all on /follow running through CN to get to Simurgh 5 days in a row and those same people are claiming the NM every time you start to think something is up. I'm sorry but i have heard better reasons then that for people being RMT what you have here is a HNM Shell that is camping one thing alot. /shocked that is what they do The Real Batosai 2. Greddy pricks that craft. These are the people that see the market of crafting as there own little play thing. They have the skills and the gil so they decide whats high and whats low. They controll the market so that they are the only ones that can make money. This one really is hard to put your finger on cause there is more to it then just a few lines of statement. The Real Batosai 3. (Not really a reason but more of an answer for the other people) A speed hack allows your players movent speed to be dramatically increased without useing job abilitys or equipment. and when im seeing a guy in pull pld AF vokeing mobs but moveing at crazy speeds i consider that a hack. Again there is alot more to think about here with your example. What is his sub, does he have any gear that gives him move speed, did he use an item to increase speed. Two of those things you can say yes or no to. The third is hard to place and god-for-bid that he may be a high level in Alchmey.
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:34 pm
It sounds like all that you do is make excuses for the gilsellers. And the HNM camping thing. Inorder for it to be an HNMLS they have to have a linkshell. Kind of a prerequisit.
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:13 pm
ok i have'nt played FFXI for over 6 months now and lost track of some of the lingo sweatdrop . so will somebody please tell what RMT stands for xp ? question ? thanks in advance. blaugh
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