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 Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:16 am
I am getting really tired of reading about how when someone drinks, they're sinning, or if they smoke, they're sinning. If they cuss then they're not being true to God. Well this isn't true at all.
First off, Jesus turned water to wine. They drank all the time back in biblical ages-- there is absolutely nothing wrong with drinking. What's bad about it is getting drunk and the actions that may come from being under the influence. If you get drunk and then sin-- then yeah, that's a problem, but drinking itself is not sinful in the least bit.
Smoking, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that smoking is a sin. Smoking is bad for your health, but it doesn't defy God at all. SMOKING IS NOT A FRICKIN SIN! I smoke, I admit to it. I smoke every now and then, but I have a very close relationship with God and I love him. Just because I smoke doesn't mean I'm doing anything wrong. I have studied many scriptures so I could fully understand what I'm doing so I can follow him in the best way. Smoking is not a sin.
And cussing- The only use against swear words in the Bible is the obvious "Do not use the Lord's name in vain." Saying 'b***h!' or '********!' or Damn or something, that's not speaking out against the Lord. That is not hurting your relationship with him, nor is it sinning in anyway. Also, people say that 'GOD DAMNIT!' is using the Lord's name in vain. However, I did some research. Back in the times when the Bible was written, people would use the Lord's name when it came to the market. If someone was making a deal about money or even trying to convince someone they were telling the truth, they often said 'God strike me if I'm lying!'. That was concidered a swear on God's part. Swearing that said person is telling the truth by using the Lord's name. Granted, I still won't say 'God damnit!' unless it slips by accident when I stub a toe or something sweatdrop But still, regular vulgar language is not against God at all... it's just not really nice.
Now I do understand that some people are going to come at me with 'Our body is the temple of God.' Yes, that is true. I know that smoking and drinking are hazardous to our health, but at the same time we are all going to die anyway. I think that the idea of our body being God's temple is more of the idea that God is in our hearts, and always will be. God is in our soul, the part of us that really matters, the part that he's going to take.
Conclusion? Drinking and Smoking arn't sins. They don't break our relationship with God. And cursing is crude but also not a sin towards God unless you are specifically cursing God.
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:52 am
1 corinthians 6:19 Or don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself,
20 for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.
If you feel that you are honoring God with your body by drinking smoking & cursing, it's your decision.
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:32 am
Simply drinking isn't a sin, getting drunk is.
"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery." Ephesians 5:18, there are also many other anti-getting drunk verses.
The poster above explained smoking, but, in my opinion, that could be applied to any bad habit, such as overeating, not excessing, or doing dangerous things. I think that one can smoke in moderation. I occasionally smoke for social reasons. But that's no more than one or two smokes a month. I don't think that that's a sin.
With regards to swearing:
"Let there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving." Ephesians 5:4
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:12 am
fantrl With regards to swearing: "Let there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving." Ephesians 5:4 hehe, silly talk. Anywho. Matthew 5 :21-22 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca*,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. * An Aramaic term of contempt
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:56 pm
That word fool has a different and harsher meaning in the greek.
Smoking is not your normal sin in the way most use the term sin. It is a sin unto the body whe you do things unhealthy. In other words, smoking in unnatural and goes aginst the natural order that or Father has made these bodies. The lung was never ment to hold tar and CO2 is ment to leave the body.
Drinking it self is not a sin but being a drunk(someone who has to have a beer and can't live without it) is.
Cussing is something man has added to try to act holy. "God Damnit" is not using the Lord's name in veind since God is not the name of our Father. It is YHWH. God is His title but a lost person would be cussing their god satan and not ours. We have become double standard with our language like the priest where about washing their hands.
Still if any of these become a stumbling block for a person young in the word, then when are in trouble for we have sinned.
1 Corinthians 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11. And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
12. But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
13. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
Not in the private of your own home is a different story but out in public we need to be careful.
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:34 pm
Honor thy mother and father.
Do thy mother and father want you to drink, smoke, and cuss?
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:54 pm
As long as I live, as long as a curse word slips from my mouth, never shall I forget the words of Isaiah, who uttered, "Woe to me! I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the El Shadday" (Isa. 6:5).
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:48 pm
rockmanx That word fool has a different and harsher meaning in the greek. And here we get to the crux of the matter. It is the meaning of the word that matters, not the word itself. You see, if I say fiddlestix you' and I hate you, then it is a sin. If I, however, say 'F**k!' when I burn myself with scalding water, then it is not a sin. Quote: Not in the private of your own home is a different story but out in public we need to be careful. If we can't do it in public, what changes when we're at home?
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:25 am
Dizzy Rydell Honor thy mother and father. Do thy mother and father want you to drink, smoke, and cuss? Actually, my mother doesn't much care about me smoking or drinking. She does, on occation, look rather shocked at my rather...colourful language, but unless it's directed at her, she's yet to express an opinion one way or the other about it. I can see how smoking would be considered a sin, seeing as how our bodies are supossed to be a temple to God, and we should respect that. Inhaling harmful chemicals probably isn't the best way to respect your body. But I shouldn't really talk, as I'm a smoker. To my credit, however, I am trying to quit. Sort of. Half-heartedly. Drinking alcohol is not a sin in and of itself, but drunkenness is. For obvious reasons. One is much more likely to do fantastically stupid things while drunk. With swearing, I agree with what people said about it being mroe serious if it's directed at someone.
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:38 am
Saria Doragon I am getting really tired of reading about how when someone drinks, they're sinning, or if they smoke, they're sinning. If they cuss then they're not being true to God. Well this isn't true at all.
First off, Jesus turned water to wine. They drank all the time back in biblical ages-- there is absolutely nothing wrong with drinking. What's bad about it is getting drunk and the actions that may come from being under the influence. If you get drunk and then sin-- then yeah, that's a problem, but drinking itself is not sinful in the least bit.
Smoking, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that smoking is a sin. Smoking is bad for your health, but it doesn't defy God at all. SMOKING IS NOT A FRICKIN SIN! I smoke, I admit to it. I smoke every now and then, but I have a very close relationship with God and I love him. Just because I smoke doesn't mean I'm doing anything wrong. I have studied many scriptures so I could fully understand what I'm doing so I can follow him in the best way. Smoking is not a sin.
And cussing- The only use against swear words in the Bible is the obvious "Do not use the Lord's name in vain." Saying 'b***h!' or '********!' or Damn or something, that's not speaking out against the Lord. That is not hurting your relationship with him, nor is it sinning in anyway. Also, people say that 'GOD DAMNIT!' is using the Lord's name in vain. However, I did some research. Back in the times when the Bible was written, people would use the Lord's name when it came to the market. If someone was making a deal about money or even trying to convince someone they were telling the truth, they often said 'God strike me if I'm lying!'. That was concidered a swear on God's part. Swearing that said person is telling the truth by using the Lord's name. Granted, I still won't say 'God damnit!' unless it slips by accident when I stub a toe or something sweatdrop But still, regular vulgar language is not against God at all... it's just not really nice.
Now I do understand that some people are going to come at me with 'Our body is the temple of God.' Yes, that is true. I know that smoking and drinking are hazardous to our health, but at the same time we are all going to die anyway. I think that the idea of our body being God's temple is more of the idea that God is in our hearts, and always will be. God is in our soul, the part of us that really matters, the part that he's going to take.
Conclusion? Drinking and Smoking arn't sins. They don't break our relationship with God. And cursing is crude but also not a sin towards God unless you are specifically cursing God. they are sins. ur supposed to keep your body pure for god. getting drunk is a sin and so is cursing and smoking. there are better words than curse words. you could say "man" insted of a curse word. i no u said ppl will come at you with ur body is a temple of god. but it is, and you should keep it clean and not drink and smoke.
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:46 pm
xstealsureheartx Saria Doragon I am getting really tired of reading about how when someone drinks, they're sinning, or if they smoke, they're sinning. If they cuss then they're not being true to God. Well this isn't true at all.
First off, Jesus turned water to wine. They drank all the time back in biblical ages-- there is absolutely nothing wrong with drinking. What's bad about it is getting drunk and the actions that may come from being under the influence. If you get drunk and then sin-- then yeah, that's a problem, but drinking itself is not sinful in the least bit.
Smoking, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that smoking is a sin. Smoking is bad for your health, but it doesn't defy God at all. SMOKING IS NOT A FRICKIN SIN! I smoke, I admit to it. I smoke every now and then, but I have a very close relationship with God and I love him. Just because I smoke doesn't mean I'm doing anything wrong. I have studied many scriptures so I could fully understand what I'm doing so I can follow him in the best way. Smoking is not a sin.
And cussing- The only use against swear words in the Bible is the obvious "Do not use the Lord's name in vain." Saying 'b***h!' or '********!' or Damn or something, that's not speaking out against the Lord. That is not hurting your relationship with him, nor is it sinning in anyway. Also, people say that 'GOD DAMNIT!' is using the Lord's name in vain. However, I did some research. Back in the times when the Bible was written, people would use the Lord's name when it came to the market. If someone was making a deal about money or even trying to convince someone they were telling the truth, they often said 'God strike me if I'm lying!'. That was concidered a swear on God's part. Swearing that said person is telling the truth by using the Lord's name. Granted, I still won't say 'God damnit!' unless it slips by accident when I stub a toe or something sweatdrop But still, regular vulgar language is not against God at all... it's just not really nice.
Now I do understand that some people are going to come at me with 'Our body is the temple of God.' Yes, that is true. I know that smoking and drinking are hazardous to our health, but at the same time we are all going to die anyway. I think that the idea of our body being God's temple is more of the idea that God is in our hearts, and always will be. God is in our soul, the part of us that really matters, the part that he's going to take.
Conclusion? Drinking and Smoking arn't sins. They don't break our relationship with God. And cursing is crude but also not a sin towards God unless you are specifically cursing God. they are sins. ur supposed to keep your body pure for god. getting drunk is a sin and so is cursing and smoking. there are better words than curse words. you could say "man" insted of a curse word. i no u said ppl will come at you with ur body is a temple of god. but it is, and you should keep it clean and not drink and smoke. say S* isn't bad or F**K isn't bad, unless they are directed towards someone in a negative way........like F**K you! that is bad, unlike saying F**K when you hit your foot or something, it depends on if it is used nagativly, lot's of words can MEAN different things, if you just say it without insulting someone, then it's fine. But in public it' not that cool.......because it might offend someone. (Edited for content. Please don't swear. xp )
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:17 pm
mm.
We can always look at what exactly "sin" means.
Translations of sin can be "rebellion" or "missing the target". Basically, missing the target means to not be doing the will of God. If you're outside the will of God, you're sinning. If you're inside the will of God, you cannot sin because you are inline with Him. So if you are following the will of God, and your fruits are sometimes bad, don't worry. Don't look at your fruits and see if you're sinning or not. See if you're alined with the will of God.
That's how the verse about being perfect, about go and sin no more, about one being born of God cannot sin because he is of God, all makes sense.
Don't follow the "repent of your sins" dogma. repent means to turn back to God. Don't repend of your fruits, because it's not the fruits that are the problem. It goes down to your roots, to your heart and if you are willing to follow God or not.
Now I know that there are habits that are formed, but if you are fully comitted to following the will of God, you are not sinning. But be mindful of what is His will. If scriptures say not to get drunk, don't.
It's like, if you know someone who thinks that eating pig is a sin, and you eat it, then say hey, I don't like pig that much anymore because it causes strife; if you purposely eat pig infront of those who think it's a sin.
Follow the will of God, don't focus on your fruits. But being in the will of God will produce good fruit.
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:00 am
using the lord's name in vain is to not worship him when u have the chance. like when yur church is having its worship. but then u think how non-christians use the lord's name in vain. they use it in vain by not accepting Jesus.
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:01 am
Hm never heard anyone put it that way.
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:12 am
My mother and father do smoke, drink & cuss-- Well, my Dad uses strong language when he's angry at something and he & my mom smoke when they're stressed, and my mom only drinks at parties and special occasions like new years...
But they both attend church regularly, send me to a private christian school, they encourage my faith and they are so proud of me since I have the strongest relationship with Jesus in my entire family. The rest of my siblings are all off with college and too worried about school or boys or girls or something, while I'm digging into God.
Honor thy mother and thy father-- I definitaly do. After all the wonderful things they've done for me, I honor them a lot. I'm blessed to have parents like that.
"As long as I live, as long as a curse word slips from my mouth, never shall I forget the words of Isaiah, who uttered, "Woe to me! I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the El Shadday" (Isa. 6:5)."
In that passage, I thought that the meaning of 'unclean lips' was more of people who blasphemed against our Lord. Those who said that THEIR God could beat YHWH. Or those who made a mockery of the poorer people. Maybe the tax collecters who were untruthful and did wicked things for personal gain. We are all criminals of this type of sin. There are points in our lives when we do things for personal gain, where we might give a nasty look or make a comment on someone in worse shape than we are, and long before we were saved by Christ- did we doubt him?
"Let there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving." Ephesians 5:4
Once again, I took Silly Talk to be more of a Gossip term. Spreading rumors about other people, we have better things to do with our lives than figure out who did what. Instead of asking 'Who is dating who?' lets try 'Praise the Lord!'
lev·i·ties 1. Lightness of manner or speech, especially when inappropriate; frivolity. ---I don't think that applies to curse words.
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