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Cynthia_Rosenweiss

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:04 pm


Hey guys, I found this article on the Intarnets:

Quote:
NASA Finds Direct Proof of Dark Matter

Dark matter and normal matter have been wrenched apart by the tremendous collision of two large clusters of galaxies. The discovery, using NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory and other telescopes, gives direct evidence for the existence of dark matter.

"This is the most energetic cosmic event, besides the Big Bang, which we know about," said team member Maxim Markevitch of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass.

These observations provide the strongest evidence yet that most of the matter in the universe is dark. Despite considerable evidence for dark matter, some scientists have proposed alternative theories for gravity where it is stronger on intergalactic scales than predicted by Newton and Einstein, removing the need for dark matter. However, such theories cannot explain the observed effects of this collision.

"A universe that's dominated by dark stuff seems preposterous, so we wanted to test whether there were any basic flaws in our thinking," said Doug Clowe of the University of Arizona at Tucson, and leader of the study. "These results are direct proof that dark matter exists."

In galaxy clusters, the normal matter, like the atoms that make up the stars, planets, and everything on Earth, is primarily in the form of hot gas and stars. The mass of the hot gas between the galaxies is far greater than the mass of the stars in all of the galaxies. This normal matter is bound in the cluster by the gravity of an even greater mass of dark matter. Without dark matter, which is invisible and can only be detected through its gravity, the fast-moving galaxies and the hot gas would quickly fly apart.

The team was granted more than 100 hours on the Chandra telescope to observe the galaxy cluster 1E0657-56. The cluster is also known as the bullet cluster, because it contains a spectacular bullet-shaped cloud of hundred- million-degree gas. The X-ray image shows the bullet shape is due to a wind produced by the high-speed collision of a smaller cluster with a larger one.

In addition to the Chandra observation, the Hubble Space Telescope, the European Southern Observatory's Very Large Telescope and the Magellan optical telescopes were used to determine the location of the mass in the clusters. This was done by measuring the effect of gravitational lensing, where gravity from the clusters distorts light from background galaxies as predicted by Einstein's theory of general relativity.

The hot gas in this collision was slowed by a drag force, similar to air resistance. In contrast, the dark matter was not slowed by the impact, because it does not interact directly with itself or the gas except through gravity. This produced the separation of the dark and normal matter seen in the data. If hot gas was the most massive component in the clusters, as proposed by alternative gravity theories, such a separation would not have been seen. Instead, dark matter is required.

"This is the type of result that future theories will have to take into account," said Sean Carroll, a cosmologist at the University of Chicago, who was not involved with the study. "As we move forward to understand the true nature of dark matter, this new result will be impossible to ignore."

http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2006/Aug/EEN44e9e3fcd39f3.html


So what are the wider scientific ramifications of the existence of Dark Matter?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:41 pm


So, it's been confirmed then... Well, where shall we go from here? That's pretty intense, to say the least!... At the very least, it means that a lot of the anti-Newtonian views of the universe will have to be discarded, or at the very least carefully re-examined. It seems to be a signal that we're going in the right direction, and I'm eager to here what the observing scientists thought.

Beside's it's significance for astronomers, physicians and geologists will likely have a lot to be intrigued in by it's development. For one thing, will dark matter be included in modern textbooks..? How will this affect proponents of the Big Bang theory?

Tomato Mage


nonameladyofsins

PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:05 am


I thought announcements were always supposed to stay on top of all the topics.... here's a bump.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:39 pm


What it means is that now we can start using it as a fuel.

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Cynthia_Rosenweiss

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:07 pm


Umm, how can it be used as fuel? neutral
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:40 am


Cynthia_Rosenweiss
Umm, how can it be used as fuel? neutral


I heard about it possible being used as fuel as well... although from what I hear that's a farfetched hypothesis because we do not posses the technology to harness the power of dark matter. ALthough it would be interesting knowing how to, or at least how it's possible.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:00 am


We do not know what dark matter is, let alone if it may be feasible to use it as a fuel.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:27 am


A Lost Iguana
We do not know what dark matter is, let alone if it may be feasible to use it as a fuel.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:00 am


Dark matter is extremely cold, near absolute zero, it would not be possible with todays technology to harness it, then use it as fuel, besides we would need large amounts, how do we get that?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:59 pm


I don't understand what the big deal is about dark matter. Isn't it just matter we can't see? Burnt out stars, for example, that are obscured by the brighter burning ones?

Why is this such a big deal?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:28 am


Aetherius Lamia
I don't understand what the big deal is about dark matter. Isn't it just matter we can't see? Burnt out stars, for example, that are obscured by the brighter burning ones?

There are no known processes which could generate enough baryonic matter that would fit the bill.

Aetherius Lamia
Why is this such a big deal?

We have no idea what it is.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:50 pm


I think s/he meant antimatter.

Link to CERN

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nonameladyofsins

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:55 am


MyOwnBestCritic
I think s/he meant antimatter.

Link to CERN


Dark matter and antimatter are very much different things. Anitmatter has been proven to exist and we can create it in the lab while we only obseve dark matter through certain astronomical phenomenon which cannot be explained without the existance of this dark matter. Furthermore Antimatter is usually charged which means it interacts with photons and can emit EM radiation while dark matter does not.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:07 am


I thought that theory about Dark Matter was that it makes up the universe and is exactly why Space is seen as black.

yukiine


Kayle_M

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:31 am


yukiine
I thought that theory about Dark Matter was that it makes up the universe and is exactly why Space is seen as black.


Dark matter and visible matter make up about 30% of the universe. Dark matter is about 25% and visible matter is about 5%, give or take. But dark matter isn't why space is black. As far as we know, it's really only in galaxies and clusters and things like that. However, we can't observe it directly, so we don't know for certain, but modern cosmology suggests that it acts much like visible matter. I'm digressing. At any rate, why is space black?

In part, space is black because it's cold. All of space actually has a "colour" in the Infrared because it's radiating at 2.7 Kelvin, but that's so freaking cold, we can't see it with our eyes. But you can pick it up between TV stations (if you have a really old TV) as static! smile It was actually discovered that way...but I digress...

The other part of space being black is Olber's Paradox, which says that if there are an infinite number of stars in the universe, why is the night sky dark? The answer to that is it's dark because of three main factors: 1) the observable universe is finite, so we don't see an infinite amount of stars, 2) light can only travel up to the speed of light, no faster, which means we HAVE a finite limit to the universe we can see, and 3) both stars and the universe have a finite age, which means the star's cant radiate forever, and the universe HASN'T been radiating at us forever.


Dark matter is simply called it because we can't see it, as someone else mentioned. We don't know what it is, but we do know that it doesn't seem to interact with any visible matter, as far as we can tell, or at least not well enough for us to see it directly. It can't be black holes and the like because then we could see interactions with it and other things, and it's too evenly distributed across galaxies....

Actually, you know, the article on dark matter in wikipedia is pretty good at summing up what we know and don't know.

Wikipedia on Dark Matter

Wikipedia roxxorz.

And that's about it. smile Sorry if I'm talking a lot. I am currently in a cosmology course, and we're discussing all of this right now, so I'm a bit enthusiastic.

~Kayle

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