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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:03 pm
i find it very troubling that illegal immigrant can have a baby in this country and get health care and other benefits supported by the government when people that have lived here their whole lives (as well as their parent, parents parents and so on) cant. theyre even trying to pass laws to make it so thta they (ilegal aliens) can get drivers licenses and (somehting else i fotgot what at the moment)! they shouldnt even be here in the first place!! i mean, i understand if they want a better life for their child, but dont take away AMERICANS privelidges in the same situation when they actually are promised it by their government and it goes towards the aliens instead... mexicos border control on their border with guatamala is 'if you try to cross, you get shot'. so, why does their president jsut let hundreds of them jump the border into the u.s? officials have turned a blind eye on this issue for too long. i think we need to do somehting about it now!
this topic really stumps me tho. i dont see a logical, practical way we can fix it now, when its so developed a problem. any comments/opinions??
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:52 am
I'd line the Rio Grande with a 12-foot fence, topped with razor wire, 100% Israel-style. Checkpoints are the only entry. Then I'd adopt Australia-style immigration laws, and deport anyone who's here illegally. Then I'd push some insane "antiterrorism" legislation through, which would allow illegal aliens seen making a run for the U.S. border from Mexico to be shot for fear of national security.
No unwalled borders, again, checkpoint-only. Illegal aliens who are caught crossing unwalled borders will simply make another run once they're dropped on the Mexican side. If a Mexican truly wishes to migrate to the 'States, they do so through legal, gradual means. Any other "method" lands them back in their home country. Just like everyone else has to go through.
Illegal immigrants who've had children on our side of the border (assuming neither parent is a U.S. citizen) can choose to take their children with them, forfeiting America citizenship for them, or abandon them to the state.
Show some cojones to the Mexican government, and threaten use of economic muscle if they don't quit encouraging people to enter America illegally. Pressure them to acknowledge being either part of the problem, or part of the solution. Make it clear that any answer from them other than "part of the solution" will not be healthy for diplomatic relations, and remind them quite frankly that they need good relations with America. Their economy is already a grassroots-sagging dump.
[This post is proudly 50% sincere, 50% satire. Interpret as you like.]
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:46 pm
I do see the problem with them coming over and taking advantage of welfare and things like that. But I don't really think we should have welfare controlled by the government in the first place.
So I say No let them come. Besides you'll still have problems with illegal aliens even with closed borders xd
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:06 pm
I agree. They have no business being here if they didn't come through proper channels.
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:19 pm
I think the child and healthcare benefits are perfectly just. You wouldn't want a poor child dying at the age of 3 days becasue he was given bad water with his formula, or the "babies daddy" got some coke in their mixture! And no, I'm not racist, I just have a lot of sympathy for infants brought up in shitty conditions.
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:54 am
Don't worry about more fences or guards. Instead, how about we put programs into effect that require employers to give illegal aliens FULL wages and FULL benefits. Make the payout equal to any other worker. Give them an equal slice of the pie.
Doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that the demand for Mexican labor will drop like a hot potato after that one. Who will pay the same amount for a worker who has no skills and can't speak the native tongue? wink
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:08 am
Charley Don't worry about more fences or guards. Instead, how about we put programs into effect that require employers to give illegal aliens FULL wages and FULL benefits. Make the payout equal to any other worker. Give them an equal slice of the pie. Doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that the demand for Mexican labor will drop like a hot potato after that one. Who will pay the same amount for a worker who has no skills and can't speak the native tongue? wink A measure I fully support, but I doubt it'd decrease the influx of illegal immigrants. Not that it's an either/or; I'd go with both of our ideas, and blow the problem out of the water. Migrate through legal means, or get booted, PLUS no incentive to stay here illegally should one pull it off.
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:58 pm
*nod* although It'll cost billions, we need more border security, not because of mexicans alone, but because of terrorists.
Here's a mad lib for ya, think of a WMD, a big southern city, and a big number, and play along. There's prolly parts of the desert you could cross now with a jeep, a canteen, and a [insert WMD here], and show up in [insert big southern city here] and take a few [insert big number here] people with you to hell.
But as for immigration in general, I think we should have unlimited influx of workers that have squeaky clean records. It might not be wonderful for our economy to have more poor people, but at least let's get them to pay taxes.
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:56 pm
Sinew Here's a mad lib for ya, think of a WMD, a big southern city, and a big number, and play along. There's prolly parts of the desert you could cross now with a jeep, a canteen, and a [insert WMD here], and show up in [insert big southern city here] and take a few [insert big number here] people with you to hell. I can fill in those blanks for you with extremely feasible expectations: Dirty bomb, San Diego, 1.2-2.9 million
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:40 pm
Angsty Shem Sinew Here's a mad lib for ya, think of a WMD, a big southern city, and a big number, and play along. There's prolly parts of the desert you could cross now with a jeep, a canteen, and a [insert WMD here], and show up in [insert big southern city here] and take a few [insert big number here] people with you to hell. I can fill in those blanks for you with extremely feasible expectations: Dirty bomb, San Diego, 1.2-2.9 million LOL, that's pretty funny. I have a solution to the fiscal impact of illegal immagration. I agree to the fact that first generation Mexicans are hard working individuals for the most part. Their not the problem, the problem is every generation after the first. Cause most recent generations s**t on their asses collecting welfare and voting republican just cause their catholics. I mean that can't be good for the economy. So my solution is to get rid of all forms of socialism. When I say socialism I mean welfare, social security, medicare, and a good number of retarded grants. This means immigrants can't sit on their asses, cause if they do they'll wind up on the streets and/or dead. That's quite an insentive, at least in my opinion it is. And I don't want to here that homeless person arguement, that's bullshit. What really keeps people doing okay (with homes) is a better/well-balanced economy. Not some crack-pot welfare system that has failed to decrease the percentage of homeless people whatsoever. Now after my solution has been in place for a while we can allow whoever the ******** we want into this country (except terrorists) and not worry about job loss or a weak economy. Solving terrorism threat is a relatively simple. We stop ******** with them, then they don't hate us anymore. That simple. What people don't get is that terrorists don't hate freedom. That is complete bullshit. Terrorist hate us cause where ******** with their lives when it's really none of our business. Republican and Democratic interventionalist policys have to be stoped. With those two solutions in place, the US can enjoy a more open border, and not have to worry about it.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:58 pm
VashZero5 Angsty Shem Sinew Here's a mad lib for ya, think of a WMD, a big southern city, and a big number, and play along. There's prolly parts of the desert you could cross now with a jeep, a canteen, and a [insert WMD here], and show up in [insert big southern city here] and take a few [insert big number here] people with you to hell. I can fill in those blanks for you with extremely feasible expectations: Dirty bomb, San Diego, 1.2-2.9 million LOL, that's pretty funny. I have a solution to the fiscal impact of illegal immagration. I agree to the fact that first generation Mexicans are hard working individuals for the most part. Their not the problem, the problem is every generation after the first. Cause most recent generations s**t on their asses collecting welfare and voting republican just cause their catholics. I mean that can't be good for the economy. So my solution is to get rid of all forms of socialism. When I say socialism I mean welfare, social security, medicare, and a good number of retarded grants. This means immigrants can't sit on their asses, cause if they do they'll wind up on the streets and/or dead. That's quite an insentive, at least in my opinion it is. And I don't want to here that homeless person arguement, that's bullshit. What really keeps people doing okay (with homes) is a better/well-balanced economy. Not some crack-pot welfare system that has failed to decrease the percentage of homeless people whatsoever. Now after my solution has been in place for a while we can allow whoever the ******** we want into this country (except terrorists) and not worry about job loss or a weak economy. Solving terrorism threat is a relatively simple. We stop ******** with them, then they don't hate us anymore. That simple. What people don't get is that terrorists don't hate freedom. That is complete bullshit. Terrorist hate us cause where ******** with their lives when it's really none of our business. Republican and Democratic interventionalist policys have to be stoped. With those two solutions in place, the US can enjoy a more open border, and not have to worry about it. Righto, we should decrease the surplus population. ^-^ But seriously, well fought! The U.S. economy was fine until socialists used the great depression as an excuse to start implementing all their crap. ^-^
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:58 pm
Yeah...when it comes to the economy; I have a very Ayn Rand objectivist perspective. domokun domokun domokun
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:48 am
Charley Don't worry about more fences or guards. Instead, how about we put programs into effect that require employers to give illegal aliens FULL wages and FULL benefits. Make the payout equal to any other worker. Give them an equal slice of the pie. Doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that the demand for Mexican labor will drop like a hot potato after that one. Who will pay the same amount for a worker who has no skills and can't speak the native tongue? wink That's the solution I like to suggest for "outsourcing." Sure, they should have the right to outsource, but if it's a American company run by American citizens, they've got to pay their laborers the minimum wage with the same benefits they pay their American employees. Keeps labor in the country without oppressing anyone and, as we move toward globalization and educated Americans working more in the service industry, you give other countries an economic leg up entirely free from forcing your average Joe to pay for foreign aid. Course, with the special-interest pandering in the major parties, it'll never happen. But I hold out hope for a less idiotic future.
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:20 pm
Searlait DiAndrette Charley Don't worry about more fences or guards. Instead, how about we put programs into effect that require employers to give illegal aliens FULL wages and FULL benefits. Make the payout equal to any other worker. Give them an equal slice of the pie. Doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that the demand for Mexican labor will drop like a hot potato after that one. Who will pay the same amount for a worker who has no skills and can't speak the native tongue? wink That's the solution I like to suggest for "outsourcing." Sure, they should have the right to outsource, but if it's a American company run by American citizens, they've got to pay their laborers the minimum wage with the same benefits they pay their American employees. Keeps labor in the country without oppressing anyone and, as we move toward globalization and educated Americans working more in the service industry, you give other countries an economic leg up entirely free from forcing your average Joe to pay for foreign aid. Course, with the special-interest pandering in the major parties, it'll never happen. But I hold out hope for a less idiotic future. I don't know.. idiocy is spreading through America like the plague.
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:55 am
Arizona just passed prop 200 (at least I'm pretty sure we did). I sure as hell voted for it. It was nicknamed the "Save Arizona Now" proposition.
It means you have to prove proof of citizenship to apply for goverment services (ie welfare and such), and show proof of citizenship to vote (no more selling your vote).
Some are enterpriting it to say that there is possible jail time for government workers who do not report illeagal immagrents who apply for government services. You know what? Who cares? If I go to another country (which I AM soon), I'm not going to apply for their welfare system if I can't make it. Why burden a country that's not my own! JESUS!
*coughs*
Anyway, yeah. Today I am pissed... off to post in another thread on just why I am so angry... *searched for the right one*
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