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Ok, so here's the thing, lets go back to what America was like pre the Row V Wade disaster:

If a girl got pregnant before she was married, she was considered a slut, and was viewed as a social outcast. Churches and religious organizations were hesitant to help out people like that because it was their fault they got in this mess in the first place. I'm not saying they didn't help, i'm quite sure people did, but not to the extent they do today, and not without a lot of judgment. I'm sure more was done to help the child then the mother to any extent.

Ok, now today, abortion is legal, and as a result, people are a lot more compassionate and caring toward women who have gotten pregnant. A lot more helpful and a lot less judgmental. In a way, abortion has forced charitable organizations to step up and respect people reguardless of their circumstance. As far as religious stuff goes, everybody likes to forget that little story about the prostitute that was going to have rocks hurled at her until she died because of her sins before Jesus told them 'whoever is without sin can cast the first stone.' Translation: one sin is no worse then another, just the results of such. Me calling in 'sick' to work when i just don't want to come in is just as bad a sin as the person who has sex and becomes, or causes someone to become pregnant. Nobody had that kind of an atitude toward women back in the 60's, and probably there's quite a few that don't get it today. In a very real way, these people are responsible for the abortion disaster we're experiencing today.

All that to say this: Would we have had such a cultural shift in awareness if not for abortion becoming legal? and do you think, if it becomes illegal, we run the risk of becoming a society like that again?

I honestly don't think abortion has made Christians more tolerant of sexual promiscuity, I just think the fact that we now have to worry about women killing their children has eclipsed the worry of casual sex.

Of course the sex is leading to the abortions, so it's still an issue, but stopping a woman from having an abortion is more dire than beratting her for having sex.

I think that had abortion remained illegal, views on promiscuity would have remained the same. Honestly, I don't think views on promiscuity have changed even with the legalization of abortion. The only thing that's changed is priorities.

Well, science and logic always have and always will favor abstinance until marriage, and i think poor philosophies about things like casual sex SHOULD be discriminated against by society as a whole, but, one sin does not trump the other according to the bible, just the repercussions for the actions. I think there are positive sides to frowning on poor sexual practices, as long as it's aimed at males and females, but i don't think we have the right to shove that in their faces, or to say their sin is worse then any other.

Honestly though, a lot of the problem is with women. I'm sorry if this offends you, but men have always discriminated against women with poor sexual histories, where as women don't usualy even question men about theirs. If you want it to cut both ways, you have to start treating the men who behave poorly the same way as they do women. It only makes sense.

illegalizing it will make the corporate structure of abortion crumble. since it will be illegal, the clinics will not be open long. there may be some "back alley" abortions, but there will be stings, undoubtedly. and they will likely be dangerous. which i honestly don't mind. if a woman is willing to die to kill the life inside her, which she consensually created, let her.

but it would be foolhardy to believe that there would be the same amount of abortions when it is illegal. there would be no more clinics, it simply couldn't happen as often. there may be a few hundred thousand per year, if that. and even that is a dramatic victory compared to the one and a half million now.

Hell i can choose to run a red light too if i want, the thing is the government that i pay my taxes to dosn't support such action and will act to stop it.

i think we're arguing two different things. I'm arguing government responsibility, you're arguing people's own responsibility. I have to admit that i can't control what people do on their own, nor would i want to. (although having an army of human/robot minions would be cool) I'm saying the government has an obligation to ban abortion, and what should we do to keep the backlash from turning the world into what it was before all these changes came about?

that's where my girlfriend stands, which is the only way i can justify dating someone pro choice. otherwise if i made her pregnant i could be arrested for endangering the welfare of a child blaugh