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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:15 am
(If this isn't where this should go, I will gladly move it... sweatdrop )
Okay, this is just a quick little thing after hanging out in "Extended Discussion" for awhile. I was hopping between differenent "Should gay marriage be legal?" n' such threads, and I noticed a pattern in every place that I went. Those who defended the rights of the gay community/said that they had no problem with gay marriage felt the need at the end of every post to say something like "I'm not gay if that's what you're thinking!" or "I'm straight, by the way."
It disappointed me that such a stigma does still exist. That people would defend themselves to the point of sounding like a group of sheep baaaing "Not gay!" just so people wouldn't consider them one thing or another? I must admit that I have been called the same names that many people on here have a few times for my beliefs on this issue, but I don't let that effect me that much. Does even being called "gay" still come with that much fear?
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:49 pm
Sadly... yeah. People see the abuse gays get, sympatise with it, but do not want to face it themselves...cowards >.>
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:09 pm
Yes or maybe some just want to make a point that there are straight people that support gay people. Why it should still matter, I dunno.
But my friend is like that. She's okay with me being gay but she hate the fact that gay people use the rainbow as their symbol. She says that she cant wear rainbows because of that. So I asked her why it matter and I told her that she shouldn't worry about what other people think about her if she wears rainbows. She knows who she is and what other people think shouldnt matter.
But she's hard headed and still doesn't wear rainbow stuff. =_=
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:56 pm
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That was what I was like before I realized I was bisexual. It took me awhile to see how hypocritical I was being: defending homosexuality yet also fearing it in myself. It's worse than being an out-spoken homophobe, in a way.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:26 pm
Wow good point. I never really thought of that. I have seen people say that but I never really thought of it and I hopped onto the next subject. But it's true a lot of people do say that and I mean, what's wrong with being called gay even if you arn't? Don't take it personally. My friend constantly calls everyone "f**." And i was thinking about that today and I was like, "Hannah I know you stick up for gay rights as much as the next girl but why are you always throwing around "f**" like it's an insult?" She kinda looked at me blankly.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:31 am
AkureiKnight Yes or maybe some just want to make a point that there are straight people that support gay people. Why it should still matter, I dunno. But my friend is like that. She's okay with me being gay but she hate the fact that gay people use the rainbow as their symbol. She says that she cant wear rainbows because of that. So I asked her why it matter and I told her that she shouldn't worry about what other people think about her if she wears rainbows. She knows who she is and what other people think shouldnt matter. But she's hard headed and still doesn't wear rainbow stuff. =_= For some reason people make the rainbow into a big deal...I can still remember a few years back watching Last Comic Standing and there was a guy who made a joke about gays taking the rainbow and little Timmy coming home: "Daddy! Look what I drew today!" The father looks at it, sighs, and says, "Ok son, let's go paint your room pink!" It was a little bit after that that I started to get into the gay rights politics and paint my fingernails in rainbows and such. Nobody really noticed until the school year started and I got called a Buch three times in one day. Since then I've learned to laugh it off but that night as soon as I got home I took off my nailpolish. *sighs* I don't like to think that it's something people get used to because I don't like to think of you guys being taunted like that everyday! sad
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:44 am
Yes, I've noticed that too. It's so annoying. To me, it sort of defeats the purpose of defending/supporting someone/something. It's like, "Hey, Gays aren't bad-but, don't you dare accuse me of being one." People who do that are such cowards. x.X;; I think that if you don't have the guts to defend what you support to the fullest, then you're not defending it at all. -shrugs- I guess that's pretty extreme, but whatever...
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:29 pm
Fener - I hate when people call others fags as a way of insult. I've done it myself a few times but when it's excesive it gets REALLY annoying.
Fadia - (hugs) Im sorry.. people are so cruel.. -_- But as far as I come, no one has ever made fun of me for wearing rainbow stuff. I only wore it in my last year of school but still. I feel bad for those who aren't as lucky as me.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:26 am
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The only time I was ever hurt by the word f** was when my grandfather was hounding my grandmother about whether gay marriage was right or not. He kept asking her if fags should get married, if fags were normal. That's only time since I've come out (to my classmates and my parents) that I've cried like that about gay slurs.
It hurts when your family or friends use those words- they always sound so much more malicious.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:39 pm
Still....the avoidance of slurs aside, I still think that it shouldn't matter if you're gay or not if you defend gay rights issues. If a man defends women's rights he doesn't get called a sissy does he?
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:19 pm
Fadia Stalyr Still....the avoidance of slurs aside, I still think that it shouldn't matter if you're gay or not if you defend gay rights issues. If a man defends women's rights he doesn't get called a sissy does he? ... In some places, yes he does.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:31 pm
Wolf Kazumaru Fadia Stalyr Still....the avoidance of slurs aside, I still think that it shouldn't matter if you're gay or not if you defend gay rights issues. If a man defends women's rights he doesn't get called a sissy does he? ... In some places, yes he does. acctualy im most parts of the USA that is the case i'd know from experance... stare but yah it's not fair it mainly started during the red scare there was a lawer that would accuse people of being comunist and when some one came to there defence they were called comies too
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:48 am
Okay, that was a brain burp on my end....bad analogy... sweatdrop
It just annoys me so much! scream
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:15 pm
Fadia Stalyr Okay, that was a brain burp on my end....bad analogy... sweatdrop It just annoys me so much! scream sure...im just full of useless info like that sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:47 pm
I do agree that it's quite possibly the vestiges of stigma, but think about it- one would expect a gay person to want to be able to marry. For a supporter to state upfront that they're heterosexual, the playing feild turns in our favor, as there must be something good about gay marriage if straight people are advocating it. It lessens the illusion of bias on the 'for' side.
For example, if a group made up of mostly Christians decided to campaign against a particular book, I would make sure to add in the book's defense that I am also a Christian, and I had no problem with the book.
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