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lymelady
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:38 am


http://www.lifenews.com/nat644.html

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Springfield, IL (LifeNews.com) -- Forced abortions in the U.S. have reached epidemic proportions, according to a special report issued by an organization that studies the impact of abortion on the lives of women.

"The epidemic of coerced, unwanted abortions is rarely reported. Yet every week, thousands of girls and women face threats and abuse from people who want them to abort without regard for their own feelings or desires," the Elliot Institute said in a written statement promoting its 21-page report entitled, "Forced Abortion in America."

While the abortion lobby refers to abortion as a "woman’s choice," in many instances, women feel as if they have no choice but to abort.

The Elliot Institute cites some alarming cases.

In some of these instances, parents coerced their daughters into aborting. In one incident, a young woman was pushed into an abortion facility at gunpoint by her mother. In another case, three sisters raped repeatedly by their father were forced into abortions for nearly a decade. The girls were reportedly required to undergo a total of ten abortions by their
sexually abusive father.

In other cases, women are coerced by their husbands or boyfriends. One husband jumped on a woman’s stomach to force an abortion. In another, a girlfriend was injected with an abortifacient outside a parking garage.

According to the special report, pregnant women are sometimes denied shelter or are threatened with loss of income in order to be blackmailed into aborting.

A homeless woman, for instance, was denied a place to live until she underwent an unwanted abortion, while a basketball coach was fired from her job after refusing to have an abortion.

"Abortion is not about a woman’s freedom to choose according to her conscience--studies show that most women decide against their consciences. Their ‘decision’ is often based on the demands or threats of others--even when it violates their own moral beliefs and desire to
keep the baby," the report notes.

In some cases, the coercion takes the form of manipulation.

A worker at a Pensacola, Florida funeral home reported that a supervisor had badgered her into having an abortion because her child was biracial. In another instance, an aspiring model was forced into an abortion by John Casablancas, founder of the Elite modeling agency, which has represented supermodels such as Cindy Crawford and Naomi Campbell.

And, in a particularly ironic case of job discrimination, a maternity clothing retailer, Mother’s Work, fired employees after finding out they were pregnant.

In other cases, the coercion involves violence and abuse.

In fact, there appears to be a clear connection between abortion and domestic violence. Pregnant women who refuse to abort face the prospect of an escalation in abuse -- violence which can lead to miscarriages.

The leading cause of death among pregnant women today is homicide.

The Elliot Institute cites dozens of cases in which women have been shot, stabbed, choked, burned, or bombed for refusing to abort.

Perhaps the nation’s most famous case of violence directed against a pregnant woman is the Laci Peterson case. Laci was eight months pregnant with her son Conner when she was murdered in California. Her husband, Scott Peterson, is standing trial for the crime.

Laci’s mother, Sharon Rocha, successfully lobbied for the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which ensures that unborn children are recognized as victims when federal acts of violence are committed against their mothers.

"Our grandson did live. He had a name, he was loved, and his life was violently taken from him .. there were two bodies that washed up in San Francisco Bay, and the law should recognize that reality," Rocha said.

The Elliot Institute report is part of a series of materials prepared by the Elliot Institute, showing the ways in which women have been subjected to unwanted, unnecessary, and dangerous abortions. An estimated 30 to 60 percent of the women who have abortions feel as if they are being pressured to do so.

In fact, eight out of every ten post-abortive women say they would have given birth, if there had been someone around to support their decision.

Experts in the field note that, while the statistics included in the report are startling, some of the comments made my women who have been forced into abortion are absolutely heart-wrenching.

"When I told him (the father of the child) he was furious and insisted that the child be aborted as soon as possible," said Cynthia Greenwood, one of the women quoted in the report.

"I did not want to kill this baby, but my co-dependence and addiction to this man won out. I finally made an appointment with the abortion clinic," Greenwood said.

Another woman, Jane Crawford, said, "My mother arranged my abortion. She didn’t like my boyfriend and wanted to protect my ‘reputation’ ... our pastor had assured her that having an abortion was fine. No one helped me."

Related web sites:

"Forced Abortions in America" can be downloaded from
http://www.afterabortion.info/petition




So.....What were they saying again about a Woman's Choice to do what she wants with her own body?


any thoughts on this? I live in an area where three local firewomen were threatened with job loss a few years back. two underwent abortion, and one stuck to her guns and got fired...or was it vice versa? I can't remember, but I do remember those women were traumatized. How is this freedom? What do people mean when they say that Pro-Lifer's don't care about the women who go through it, when so many women are unwilling to do so and forced to? If you're gonna have abortion be legal, shouldn't you have more legal protection for the women to ensure it actually IS their choice, and if there is legal protection, why isn't it enforced?

Yeah, yeah, strange to come outta midair, but the Mother's Work caught my eye, because I read a story about it somewhere on Gaia, and it made me want to find that story on the women around here. I can't yet, but I found that. What do y'all think about that one?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:32 am


It's funny that the Pro-'Choice'rs posted something along the same lines, except they left out the 'forced to' part, and made it sound like abortions are good because pregnant women are oppressed. As though, since you will be oppressed as a pregnant woman, you should have an abortion. 'Sup with that?

But I did enjoy the article.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:39 am


lymelady
her long bit of saddening info

That's so sad... crying

Can someone tell me why a reputation is worth more than a life? Cutting off a head to save a face... It was interesting, when I was in Art class and abortion came up, a larger percentage of girls were against it than boys. That article explains a lot... crying
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:02 pm


There's worse. Like sea org, but I"m not sure what to make on this as I haven't read through it all.

http://www.scientology-lies.com/abortions.html?FACTNet


this is truly awful.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37482

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'My God, you're hurting me'

The Roe II case began March 29, 1997, when a young, pregnant mother entered the Aware Women Center for Choice clinic in Florida to get an abortion.

According to RPI, William P. Egherman, who has performed more than 10,000 abortions and been addicted to alcohol and opiates, began the procedure by attempting to dilate the woman's cervix.

But the woman had a change of heart.

"My God, you're hurting me" the woman began to scream. "You're killing me, I'll never be able to have babies. ... Stop!"

But Egherman ignored the pleas and screams and called for assistance from clinic workers who held the woman down as he continued to dilate her cervix.

Then he entered the victim with a pair of forceps -- "the bear" Ehgerman called them -- and began probing and pulling. He mistakenly pulled out part of the woman's intestines.

Sapp, who represented the woman, said she described it as like being drawn and quartered.

When he realized what he had done, Egherman heavily sedated the woman then he called for an ambulance.

But he instructed the ambulance to come slowly, without lights or sirens, to give him "time to pack the woman with gauze."

Egherman said he also was worried his regular flow of business would be interrupted by "all the hoopla."

"Saturday's our big day," he explained, "and I didn't want to generate … any more confusion, any more panic than was already present at the time. She was loud, and as I said, she was shrill, and there were a lot of patients who were hearing what was going on, and the normal rhythm of the day was interrupted. The other patients must have been terrified, and I didn't want the ambulance showing up with all the lights and sirens. …"



granted, they now (Finally) have this

http://www.forerunner.com/fyi/news/pr080601.htm

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LEHIGH ACRES, FL -- Many - perhaps most - of the abortions done today in the United States were felonies under federal law. "Now, forced abortions are no longer lawful in this country," said Jean Sapp, Director of the Counselor Corps, of Lehigh Acres, Florida, an organization which trains peaceful counselors to offer help to pregnant women at abortion clinics.

You'd have thought that would've been established. But why does it still happen? That was 2001. There have been numerous cases of forced or coerced abortion since then.

You know what this sounds like to me? Communist china.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~esdonofr/forced abort.html
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One Chinese government official described that if a woman were found pregnant, she would be forced to have an immediate abortion, and many are forced to be sterilized after their first or second child.


http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/index.php?storytype=forced

I dunno, it seems when I see pro-choice stories, it's all about how a woman should choose.

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It's funny that the Pro-'Choice'rs posted something along the same lines, except they left out the 'forced to' part, and made it sound like abortions are good because pregnant women are oppressed.
Funniest thing is that story was mentioned in the first article I posted here.

"And, in a particularly ironic case of job discrimination, a maternity clothing retailer, Mother’s Work, fired employees after finding out they were pregnant."


That woman could've had an abortion if she'd wanted to. And I guess it just doesn't hit people that if it takes something like keeping your job to get you to have an abortion, you don't really want one. It's just the only option where you can keep your job. You're not really choosing it in the sense you want to do this to your body. You want to do this to save your paycheck. Why is it that women have to make that choice? Is it a good choice either way? Is it okay to tell a woman, "Get an abortion or get out?" Isn't that oppression? Why is it that abortion is good in this case because it's a choice you make, when you make this choice because you're being oppressed?

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lymelady
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:51 pm


If you check out the other guild, there is a comment about margaret sanger and a link to a thingy she did in the 1920s.

Now, I admire Sanger, she made my life as a female in America much easier. At the time, there was a lot going on with women having 7+ children, birth control was not legal, and as birth control was hard to get, there were many illegal abortions going on.

Birth control is legal.

Unless abortion is a form of birth control, which I"m told over and over again it isn't, how does this apply?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:58 pm


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'My God, you're hurting me'
OMG! That story is sickening! They actually had the nerve to proceed when she cried out for them to stop??! God! -_-

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lymelady
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:59 pm


they probably figure she was just panicking. people probably do panick when they realize, shoot, this is actually happening....

But that's no excuse to keep going.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:05 pm


lymelady
they probably figure she was just panicking. people probably do panick when they realize, shoot, this is actually happening....

But that's no excuse to keep going.
it reminds me of a type of rape...
when girls are with guys and then decide 'no, I really don't want to have sex right now' and the guys just keep on going.. yeah... reminds me alot of rape..

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:09 pm


rape sucks. Lol, wow, understatement of the year.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:12 pm


lymelady
rape sucks. Lol, wow, understatement of the year.
yes, Captain Obvious xd

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 12:11 am


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rape sucks. Lol, wow, understatement of the year.
yes, Captain Obvious xd
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