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ScarredImage

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 11:35 am


Yesterday someone got disfellowshiped from my church. I wasn't there (thank goodness cuz I'd be in shock if I was) but the woman I live with told me about it. Thelady who got disfellowshiped was having an affair with a married man. Now...from what I'm told she got kicked out cuz the Bible says not to fellowship with someone who has done wrong or something like that. But to me, I believe we SHOULD fellowship with people who have done wrong. If we don't let them see what the life of a Christian is like how can they turn their hearts away from sin? I think that by making someone leave the church you're giving them the opportunity to do more wrong than if they stayed and got help. Everybody struggles with sin, some more than others. And there's nothing wrong with that, it's human. I just don't really like how my church did that though. I knew they were traditional but I didn't think they'd kick someone out. That kinda scares me now. What do you guys think?
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:41 pm


I have a real problem with something like that becasue if we are to love our neighbor how can we turn away if they sin? We are supossed to be there to help them through it- not turn our backs- whats that going to do except make them feel worse than what they already are. And then are we to pray they will come crawling back tothe church begging for forgivness? No. I think that is wrong.

People sin by nature. And our sins are forgiven as such when we ask for it. But i don't think its nessessary to turn our backs on someone. Im not sure thats what God intended for us. Now i can understand if the person was under the guise of a Christian therefore trying to cause the other party to sin. Thats different. But sins need to be foregiven not only by God but by man to. Other wise how can god forgive us if we can't forgive others?

Mathew 6:14-15
For if ye forgive men their tresspasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, But if ye not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Elysia Angel


ScarredImage

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 9:06 pm


I agree. And here's what makes me the most irked by this:
The mom I live with agrees with the church. Problem: I have something I need to repent for. I need to tell the church and repent. But she won't let me cuz she's afraid we'd all get kicked out. Now, repentence shouldn't get you kicked out. You're SUPPOSED to repent. But she won't let me. So I feel like she's making me sin and feel guilty. This sucks.
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:23 pm


Actually, and I'm sorry, I'll have to look up these verses, but it's very biblical to kick out a member who is in sexual sin. I THINK that's the only reason, other than finding out for sure that a person is unsaved, that a person is to be kicked out a church. This doesn't mean the person isn't allowed to attend the church, it simply means that the person doesn't have church member rights.

We're to follow the Bible, all of it. We all sin, and different sin has different consequences. It seems to me that sexual sin is treated more severely than any other type in the Bible, and it makes sense. It's nice to know that churches are following all the biblical principles, even the hard ones, because in our society now, no one wants to own up to problems and no one wants to offend. If the Bible says to do it, then I think we should.

AriyaLauna


ScarredImage

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:56 pm


AriyaLauna
Actually, and I'm sorry, I'll have to look up these verses, but it's very biblical to kick out a member who is in sexual sin. I THINK that's the only reason, other than finding out for sure that a person is unsaved, that a person is to be kicked out a church. This doesn't mean the person isn't allowed to attend the church, it simply means that the person doesn't have church member rights.

We're to follow the Bible, all of it. We all sin, and different sin has different consequences. It seems to me that sexual sin is treated more severely than any other type in the Bible, and it makes sense. It's nice to know that churches are following all the biblical principles, even the hard ones, because in our society now, no one wants to own up to problems and no one wants to offend. If the Bible says to do it, then I think we should.


No offense but I disagree strongly with you. All sin is equal in the Bible except one which is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And I don't find not being saved as a reason to be kicked out. I find that as an even bigger reason NOT to be kicked out. And I honestly don't think she was in sexual sin, just dating. There can be affairs without sex. Even still though, she repented. That's the main thing. Repentance means you're still accepted. But she wasn't.
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 4:28 pm


No offense, but any church that will kick people out is corrupt by my standards. The fact is that we all sin, we all make mistakes. Someone shouldn't be thrown out of a church because their sin was caught. True, someone needs to talk to them about it, and correct them, but they'll learn nothing other than to distrust the church. That's totally not good.

windswept_fury
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ScarredImage

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 7:38 pm


windswept_fury
No offense, but any church that will kick people out is corrupt by my standards. The fact is that we all sin, we all make mistakes. Someone shouldn't be thrown out of a church because their sin was caught. True, someone needs to talk to them about it, and correct them, but they'll learn nothing other than to distrust the church. That's totally not good.


Exactly my point! It seems like it's corruption of God's word to me for them to kick her out. They based the disfellowship on a verse in the Bible but the circumstances didn't add up with the verse. So they pretty much perverted it for their liking. I'm not happy with my church at all for this.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:13 am


It seems to me that that is the wrong thing to do, if you kick someone out you only make them feel like God and their fellow believers doesn't love them. Now what she did was wrong, but isnt' it better to try and help that person come back to God. I see why that would scare you, it scares me too.

Shrouded_ Soul


Paulkee

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:45 am


15"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'[c] 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.


Perhaps that helps?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:27 pm


No it doesn't help at all. "If none have you has ever sinned may you be the first to cast a stone upon her."
We all sin. Shouldn't matter if she sinned or not. She confessed to the church, she was trying to right a wrong, they wouldn't help! They treated her like the plague when she asked for help. When they finally realized "Oh! There is a problem here!" out she goes without help. She didn't get the help she needed.
"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
"If your friend comes to you with a speck in his eye do not say to him, 'Let me get that speck out of your eye," when you yourself have a plank in your own! Remove the plank from your eye than help your friend with his speck. For how can you remove a speck when you can't remove your own plank?"
Note: wording may be off a little...i've read waaaaay too many versions of the bible (which is also why i didnt put verse numbers and such for i have found they often vary depending on bible)

ScarredImage


Ezeikial

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:50 am


i agree with ScarredImage, but i think more or less a reason that they did it was to keep it from happening maybe? i dunno, i think that if they kicked her out, then they shouldve kicked the married man out as well, cuz it takes 2 to commit that sorta sin, and to punish one to that extreme without the other is just wrong, now i know that what im saying prolly doesnt agree with you, but its the fairest thing that they couldve done, prolly not the right thing, but the fairest
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:50 am


ScarredImage
No it doesn't help at all. "If none have you has ever sinned may you be the first to cast a stone upon her."


Then, Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more. If a person refuses to change, the cannot be in the fellowship of believers.

Paulkee


ScarredImage

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:52 am


Paulkee
ScarredImage
No it doesn't help at all. "If none have you has ever sinned may you be the first to cast a stone upon her."


Then, Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more. If a person refuses to change, the cannot be in the fellowship of believers.


She was trying to change. That's my point.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:33 pm


Exactly. The only reason a person is disfellowshiped from the church is because they refuse to change. A christian welcomes change. Change is what our lives are all about. But, some people refuse change because God has hardened their hearts. That's why Jesus gave us careful instructions on handling people like that. He doesn't just want to give people a second chance, he wants to give them many chances. Let's say a person is approached by one person about a sin in their life, and they refuse to change. Then, they are approached by two, and refuse to change. Then they are brought before the whole church, and they still refuse to change. Well, it should be obvious that that church can do little for that person. So, they are disfellowshipped. But, even though we are "kicked out of the church" God still loves us. And if we are his chosen, we can come back to the cross and be forgiven. The woman who was about to be stoned could only be saved by one man, Jesus. She also had a willing heart. Kicking someone out of the church is not stoning them.

Paulkee


ScarredImage

PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:48 am


I have no clue why you said exactly to what I said. I said she was TRYING to change. As in complete opposite of what you said. So how is it just that they kicked her out?
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