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satinandsmoke

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:50 pm


Wow! I am having a really hard time accepting groundlessness (Pema Chodron's tern I think). Groundlessness as in accepting that there IS NO "ground under your feet." The understanding that things will go up and down forever, good times and bad times, and there's nothing you can do about it.

I'm going through a really rough time in my life. I feel like I'm falling into a black pit or being spun around so that I don't know which way is up or down. But doesn't Buddhism tell us that it shouldn't matter which way is up or down as long as you know where you are? Like the focus should be inwards instead of out?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:51 am


The idea I believe you are referencing here is that *everything* around us is mere illusion... it has no substance, no "reality", and therefor it should not affect us. The goal on a personal / practice level is basically the idea of mindfulness - to remember that physical circumstances are illusion (whether "good" or "bad") and to just exist in the middle of it, really BE - regardless of what's going on around you.

good luck.

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satinandsmoke

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:38 pm


Yeah, exactly. But I guess my question is how to go about adopting that belief. It can't happen in a mere thought, or even a day. So should I meditate on it or read more... I dunno. I'm just having a problem detaching myself from the physicalities (money, clothes, etc) and accepting samsara.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:53 pm


satinandsmoke
Yeah, exactly. But I guess my question is how to go about adopting that belief. It can't happen in a mere thought, or even a day. So should I meditate on it or read more... I dunno. I'm just having a problem detaching myself from the physicalities (money, clothes, etc) and accepting samsara.


Well, its not going to be easy. I mean, really, honestly believing that everything around you is an illusion and that it has no affect on you is a lot to swallow. Reading books on it and meditating on it are the only things I can think of- they're what I do when these kinds of issues arise.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:44 pm


On the one hand you know it true, yet on the other its such a freaking hard truth to swallow the you do everything possible to reject it. Sounds to me like someone still has attachments.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:20 pm


If you have a hard time accepting that everything around you is an illusion, then perhaps it's not the "everything" that is the illusion.

That ego is a tricky thing.

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Sobran

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:51 pm


I try to incorporate mindful association in my meditation classes. Groundlessness can be understood by using your third eye's ability to see passed obstacles. For instance, you can visualize the air in your lungs. Start within your chest, breath in, and then exhale. Do this about 30 or so times. 30 is a good number because it establishes calm and allows you to become self-associative. After that, focus on breathing out. Again, 30 or so times. As you continue passed that, be mindful of both breathing in and out. As you breath in and out, try to see in your mind's eye each breath simply passing through you as if you're incorporeal (have no substance, no flesh, et cetera). As you breath out, do the same thing.

After you are through with the breathing exercise, try to focus on the ground at your base (where your sitting down or lying down, depending on your meditation style). Watch it in your mind's eye for a good ten minutes. Take note on its distinct shape and how it presses up against you. Now, in your mind's eye, let it dissolve but keep yourself in the exact spot. Focus on the sensation of simply floating (levitating, hovering, et cetera) and use the mantra, "Without substance, without form."

A good book to read for this sort of meditation and others I teach in my classes would be "Creating True Peace" by Thich Nhat Hanh. He has many other very good meditations that can help in your daily path.

Good luck.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:33 am


I like to think it's possible, though I imagine embracing the idea would come easier to some people than others. I don't have the right mental setup to do it myself, but meh, I encourage others to do such, if one likes the idea.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:34 pm


You are all very silly people.

There is no illusion to escape.

There is ground beneath your feet.

How many blades of grass in a field? Think about that.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:12 am


believing that everything is an illusion is just saying "well, they're just illusions, as long as we don't think they are there, we don't have to accept them" but thats false, "EVERYTHING" in this world is real and it will cause suffering, suffering is inevitable in the cycle of life and death. Being mindfullness is about being aware of our thoughts and actions on present level, it doesn't have much to do with the "illusions" that you talk about.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:51 am


Akanishi Makoto
You are all very silly people.

There is no illusion to escape.

There is ground beneath your feet.

How many blades of grass in a field? Think about that.

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