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 Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:47 pm
When learning bass, or any other instruments
Learn to read bars and notes.
Not TABS.
Tabs, in my way is the cheap, lazy, disrespectful way to learn music.
But the thing is, you might be able to play wonderful, but you’re not really learning anything
Especially music
Tabs don't do anything for you.
Discuss my opinion.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:41 pm
tabs are the new way to learn music i prefer
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:55 pm
I personally can read standard notation, but tabs really aren't that bad of a thing. The tab has the advantage over staff notation of being a direct visual representation of the guitar's fretboard, often making it easier and quicker for the player to interpret. Musicians learning to play the guitar often find tabs easier to read, because it does not require any training for one to be able to read tabs. (And im sure this meer fact is the basis of your entire argument against them as it is for most people who I meet who say they "hate" tabs).
But If anything, tabs being nothing more than a plain-text file, using simple numbers, letters and symbols to construct a crude form of musical notation, allows anyone to distribute a form of thier "written music" easily electronically (as not everyone in the world has the luxury of owning their own personal scanner). Be it something you wrote personally or something you picked up off the radio.
And even though throughout all of this "lack of musicianship", that most people seem to want to give the idea of using tabs, most people just want to learn a quick song or two and in my view, I personally see this as a means of keeping the player somewhat motivated in playing their instrument (as we know most people get discouraged and usually quit when they see little progress) as im sure almost all aspiring musicians don't say they want to learn how to play guitar, piano, trumpet or whatever instrument because they want to learn how to count a sixteenth rest. It's usually more like a visuary thing of yerning to play the guitar solos of Jimi Hendrix or the fast paced drumming of Dave Lombardo. And for guitarists, Tabs are that easier medium for allowing the player to quickly learn how to play the guitar even if they can't read the sheet music. And most musicians that I know, who have grown to love their instrument, usually seek to learn how to read music based off the fact of wanting to get better as tabs have their limitations.
Of course standard notation will always have the advantage of being more detailed than a tab (time signatures, tempos, dynamics, accidentals, etc.) but I feel to shun the use of such a useful tool is folly as well.
"To limit one's self is to only blind one's self from the possiblities of what couldn't otherwise be achieved."
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:28 pm
Or learn a song by ear? rofloloolol
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:55 pm
I am unable to to learn things by ear.
I am able to read music notation but I like tabs for one reason mainly. Free, I dont have to pay for the book of sheet music of what I want to learn. Tablature is much easier to get a hold of then sheet music. So it is far more appealing, because for people who are just begining to learn, its easier to learn to read, and easier to get ahold of and free.
Though I find music notation easier to read then piano tabs lol.
I dont feel that tabs are disrespectful. I do feel they limit your ability to compose. Because learning music notation in addition with scales make composing music far easier.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:07 pm
Kyrenx I personally can read standard notation, but tabs really aren't that bad of a thing. The tab has the advantage over staff notation of being a direct visual representation of the guitar's fretboard, often making it easier and quicker for the player to interpret. Musicians learning to play the guitar often find tabs easier to read, because it does not require any training for one to be able to read tabs. (And im sure this meer fact is the basis of your entire argument against them as it is for most people who I meet who say they "hate" tabs).
But If anything, tabs being nothing more than a plain-text file, using simple numbers, letters and symbols to construct a crude form of musical notation, allows anyone to distribute a form of thier "written music" easily electronically (as not everyone in the world has the luxury of owning their own personal scanner). Be it something you wrote personally or something you picked up off the radio.
And even though throughout all of this "lack of musicianship", that most people seem to want to give the idea of using tabs, most people just want to learn a quick song or two and in my view, I personally see this as a means of keeping the player somewhat motivated in playing their instrument (as we know most people get discouraged and usually quit when they see little progress) as im sure almost all aspiring musicians don't say they want to learn how to play guitar, piano, trumpet or whatever instrument because they want to learn how to count a sixteenth rest. It's usually more like a visuary thing of yerning to play the guitar solos of Jimi Hendrix or the fast paced drumming of Dave Lombardo. And for guitarists, Tabs are that easier medium for allowing the player to quickly learn how to play the guitar even if they can't read the sheet music. And most musicians that I know, who have grown to love their instrument, usually seek to learn how to read music based off the fact of wanting to get better as tabs have their limitations.
Of course standard notation will always have the advantage of being more detailed than a tab (time signatures, tempos, dynamics, accidentals, etc.) but I feel to shun the use of such a useful tool is folly as well.
"To limit one's self is to only blind one's self from the possiblities of what couldn't otherwise be achieved." I agree hole heartedly, infact, i cant add anything to that.
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Herr Kaiser Matthelm Captain
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:19 am
Personally, I find reading music alot easier then tabs. Half the time the notes and rythem is wrong. I usualy find the closest tab I can, then I have to work with it to get it fixed up. I'm getting to the point where I'm gonna say screw tabs and just learn everything by ear.
But I also have been reading music since I was 8, so I may be a bit bised on my opinion. But I always loved notation better then tabs ^_^
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:34 am
I love tabs. They are very easy to use. I do not find it disrespectful in any way at all to music if I use them. Sheet music and tabs are used around the world by many people. It is just how they laren to play music.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:12 pm
i can read both Music and Tabs. Tabs can show stuff like hammering on and other stringed specific things better, while music is much easyer to get timing with.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:23 pm
Okay, so what exactly the benefit of learning to read music? Timing, and you can play pieces written for instruments (which someone will eventually tab out). You learn nothing more about playing bass by reading standard notation than you do by tabs. I honestly think some people are mad that they spent the time to learn standard notation and someone thought of an easier way, so all that time spent was effectively wasted. Just a theory... Besides, you're a bass player, so what if a tab doesn't convey timing, you should listen to the song and learn it that way, the American way xp
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:28 pm
angrymalazar Okay, so what exactly the benefit of learning to read music? Timing, and you can play pieces written for instruments (which someone will eventually tab out). You learn nothing more about playing bass by reading standard notation than you do by tabs. I honestly think some people are mad that they spent the time to learn standard notation and someone thought of an easier way, so all that time spent was effectively wasted. Just a theory... Besides, you're a bass player, so what if a tab doesn't convey timing, you should listen to the song and learn it that way, the American way xp
Not that im saying learning to play something by ear is bad or anything (heck I do it 75-80% of the time), just saying, that if someone is going to play something and claim they can play said song, then they really should learn how to play it correctly. (of course that only applies to difficult songs).
Reading solely from tab also causes problems when a guitarist tries to play music with other musicians such as flutist or violinist, as tablature only effectively gives instructions on how to play notes rather than information on how the notes will sound, making it very difficult to get a feel of the music simply by studying the page without playing it through, and as such, making the ability of sightreading almost unexistant in the world of tabs.
And for pieces above intermediate level like Choro No.1 and Etude No.11 by Villa-Lobos, Sevilla by Issac Albeniz, Un Sueno en la Floresta by Augustin Barrios, and many others, are almost impossible to be written down in tab without causing a lot of confusion.
The largest disadvantage of tabs is that the over-excessive use of tablature can keep an individual from focusing on music theory, which derives from a knowledge of the notes themselves, not a recognized predetermined position for playing notes or chords. For a deeper appreciation of the instrument, an understanding of notation can allow an individual to improvise more accurately and freely, or accompany in improvisation through different key changes more clearly and deliberately. A person who has only learned from tab has a tendency to noodle around trying to find the sound they're looking for, rather than recognizing the potential of the notes within the key they find themselves in.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:48 pm
Yes, I can see most of that except the musical theory part. I don't see how the way you read music can interfere with your ability to comprehend it, the way you read music is a piece of paper, nothing more, it doesn't affect your style, your way of thinking of music, what you're playing (to a degree), but just shows what to play. I don't see why it should matter either, if you can play the song so it's recognizable, you can play the song, just how well you play the song is in question, and as you become more experienced, you'll be able to find flaws in tabs and correct them to suit your needs. Sheet music and tabs are guides, what you do with them is your choice. We arguing the benefits and disadvantages of dots and symbols on staff opposed numbers on a simulated fretboard. The training involved with learning to read music is how it impacts your style, not the media itself, and any bass player worth his salt will study up on the theory of playing, the scales, arpeggios, modes, keys, etc.. and most of these lessons come in tab form as well as standard notation.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:40 pm
angrymalazar Yes, I can see most of that except the musical theory part. I don't see how the way you read music can interfere with your ability to comprehend it, the way you read music is a piece of paper, nothing more, it doesn't affect your style, your way of thinking of music, what you're playing (to a degree), but just shows what to play. I don't see why it should matter either, if you can play the song so it's recognizable, you can play the song, just how well you play the song is in question, and as you become more experienced, you'll be able to find flaws in tabs and correct them to suit your needs. Sheet music and tabs are guides, what you do with them is your choice. We arguing the benefits and disadvantages of dots and symbols on staff opposed numbers on a simulated fretboard. The training involved with learning to read music is how it impacts your style, not the media itself, and any bass player worth his salt will study up on the theory of playing, the scales, arpeggios, modes, keys, etc.. and most of these lessons come in tab form as well as standard notation.
(Oh, and I wouldn't call this arguing.. i'm doing nothing more than playing devil's advocate right now.) cool
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:19 pm
Yes, I Agree Tabs Are Definately Not The Best Way To Learn. But I Know How To Play Actually Music From Like A Music Book Er Something.
But Say, You Like A Song That Your Fav Band Plays And You Absolutely Love The Bass Line, But You Cant Figure It Out By Ear, Thats When Tabs Are Okay In My Opinion.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:16 pm
Kyrenx I personally can read standard notation, but tabs really aren't that bad of a thing. The tab has the advantage over staff notation of being a direct visual representation of the guitar's fretboard, often making it easier and quicker for the player to interpret. Musicians learning to play the guitar often find tabs easier to read, because it does not require any training for one to be able to read tabs. (And im sure this meer fact is the basis of your entire argument against them as it is for most people who I meet who say they "hate" tabs).
But If anything, tabs being nothing more than a plain-text file, using simple numbers, letters and symbols to construct a crude form of musical notation, allows anyone to distribute a form of thier "written music" easily electronically (as not everyone in the world has the luxury of owning their own personal scanner). Be it something you wrote personally or something you picked up off the radio.
And even though throughout all of this "lack of musicianship", that most people seem to want to give the idea of using tabs, most people just want to learn a quick song or two and in my view, I personally see this as a means of keeping the player somewhat motivated in playing their instrument (as we know most people get discouraged and usually quit when they see little progress) as im sure almost all aspiring musicians don't say they want to learn how to play guitar, piano, trumpet or whatever instrument because they want to learn how to count a sixteenth rest. It's usually more like a visuary thing of yerning to play the guitar solos of Jimi Hendrix or the fast paced drumming of Dave Lombardo. And for guitarists, Tabs are that easier medium for allowing the player to quickly learn how to play the guitar even if they can't read the sheet music. And most musicians that I know, who have grown to love their instrument, usually seek to learn how to read music based off the fact of wanting to get better as tabs have their limitations.
Of course standard notation will always have the advantage of being more detailed than a tab (time signatures, tempos, dynamics, accidentals, etc.) but I feel to shun the use of such a useful tool is folly as well.
"To limit one's self is to only blind one's self from the possiblities of what couldn't otherwise be achieved."
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