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Marlaina

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:07 am


sorry... but i need to vent...

at my college the students get to propose shows that they want to do for next year... the problem is that only 4 shows get to be directed and the students vote for them

well i proposed a show (Tomfoolery by Tom Lehrer), actually it is a musical review...

since it is a musical review it didn't get in...

yes ladies and gentlemen... my school complains constantly that there is such a thing as musicals and they refuse to do them because they don't think they are "Art"... or they are afraid to do them...

while musicals aren't always art *ducks* they are the backbone of theater because it is what most people want to see...

the really funny thing is that one of the faculty members is doing a musical... and since the students have no say in THAT it is going to happen...

so i'm just really bitter right now... and not at all happy with my felow students..

TA!
Marli
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 10:45 am


Some time ago, I was told by a professor that musical theatre is quite low on the theatre scale, actually it's the lowest form of theatre, which is quite funny because it's the usually highest grossing form. Anyway, I think that in that form, revues are probably the lowest form of musical show. So I'm surprised they don't do musicals at your school, but at the same time, they're also the most expensive to produce because of the large cast and the orchestra. I would think. I've never heard of Tomfoolery so I don't know how big it would, though usually revues have the least number in the cast.

Sernin


PensivePine

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 10:39 pm


I thought most High Schools did a musical every year, usually in the spring. I know mine did, though I wasn't usually invovled (I did go see them, though).
PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 11:09 pm


My high school always did three performances: the Fall Musical, the Winter One-Act (competition), and the Spring Play.

I wish college had the same sort of routine. My experience has, however, been varied and has gotten me a lot of different opportunities for different kinds of theatre.

This year we did: the Doane Playwrights' Festival (student-written and student-directed works)
Dearly Departed (a comedy about death)
Truth and Beauty (a look at terrorism from the terrorists point of view; really creepy and glad I wasn't in it)
Across The Desert (kids trying to get out of a dinky little town in Oklahoma; sounds vaguely familiar)
Story Theatre (kids plays)

Overall, I wish we would do more musicals (we've done 1 since I've been here) but it's understandable why they would want other types of plays. The main reason, sad to say, is that the theatre and music departments don't really get along.

And yet, I'm still trying to major in them both.

Pharaoh Ramases


Marlaina

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:35 am


well another reason that i found out why it didn't get in was because one of the professors (i'm in college) is doing a musical... but it is really hard (James Joyces "The Dead"... yes they turned it into a musical... stare )... there's an ARIA for one of the guys... so my show would have been a nice warm-up but nnnnnnnooooooooo...... my theater group can be so stupid sometimes...

the thing with musicals is that they appeal to the lowest common denominator... shiney objects and catchy music are two of the most important things on the audience's list of must sees... and yes, they can get rather expensive... but MTI said that all you needed to do Tomfoolery is a piano, 4 stools, 4 actors and a lot of attitude... i wanted to go with 8 actors but was deffinetly working on the KISS (Keep it simple stupid) principle
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:05 pm


I've gotta ask: who wrote Truth and Beauty?

Sernin


ScarredImage

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:12 pm


I'm sorry but rejecting musicals is wrong. They're a key (and yes, backbone) to theatre! Dance, opera, ballets....my goodness...
PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:31 pm


Marlaina
sorry... but i need to vent...

at my college the students get to propose shows that they want to do for next year... the problem is that only 4 shows get to be directed and the students vote for them

well i proposed a show (Tomfoolery by Tom Lehrer), actually it is a musical review...

since it is a musical review it didn't get in...

yes ladies and gentlemen... my school complains constantly that there is such a thing as musicals and they refuse to do them because they don't think they are "Art"... or they are afraid to do them...

while musicals aren't always art *ducks* they are the backbone of theater because it is what most people want to see...

the really funny thing is that one of the faculty members is doing a musical... and since the students have no say in THAT it is going to happen...

so i'm just really bitter right now... and not at all happy with my felow students..

TA!
Marli


I always hate to hear someone call something a "lower form of art." What does that really mean, anyway? That people enjoy it less? That it's easier to create an artistic work in that art form than others? Or could it just be that a particular establishment looks down upon it?

Example: Bluegrass music. Most musicians (especially those who play classical) will say that this is a "lower" form of music. The truth of the matter is that bluegrass is quite hard to play, if you want it to come out sounding right, and is dearly loved by many. So why should someone say it's lower than other musical genres? The reason is that they disparage the cultural group from which bluegrass comes.

I'd say that this disparagement of the musical comes out of a residual snobbery in the theatre from the days of rigid "high-class/low-class" lines in American society.

"Straight" shows are "high class," having a pedigree stretching back to Shakespeare and the other greats of the theatre past.

Musicals, on the other hand have a history that goes back to the minstrel shows. These where a horrible concept, because they were simply racist jokes and stereotypes played out onstage. Because of this, and the fact that minstrel shows and later vaudeville were spectacles for the lower classes has meant that their grandchild, the modern musical, is still looked down upon by some. Forget the fact that they've left the racism of minstrel shows, and bawdiness of vaudeville far in the past, and become wonders of modern stagecraft and performance, the upper crust of the theatre shall still say that musicals are low-brow. [/rant]

Messor


AlexofSyrr

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:12 pm


This reminds me of something.

I'm in middle school right now(8th Grade), now to get a diploma you need atleast one "credit" from a music, art, or tech class. You need like 22 credits all together. I wanted to take a performing arts class that was offered.(We chose what classeswe wanted to take earlier this year). Anyway, Performing Arts Won't get you the music/art credit. It doesn't count as something musical or artistic? It's sooo stupid, and yet the have a tech class that fufills the requirement! Unbelieveable.
surprised
PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:31 pm


I'm in a really staunch theatre group and I kind of understand both sides.
I hate doing musicals. I hate the idea of saying 3 lines and then singing for 7 minutes.
On the other hand, as unrealistic as they are, I love watching them.

I dunno. I see where it lacks, but they're so fun.

leahzord


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:16 pm


Messor

I always hate to hear someone call something a "lower form of art." What does that really mean, anyway? That people enjoy it less? That it's easier to create an artistic work in that art form than others? Or could it just be that a particular establishment looks down upon it?

Example: Bluegrass music. Most musicians (especially those who play classical) will say that this is a "lower" form of music. The truth of the matter is that bluegrass is quite hard to play, if you want it to come out sounding right, and is dearly loved by many. So why should someone say it's lower than other musical genres? The reason is that they disparage the cultural group from which bluegrass comes.

I'd say that this disparagement of the musical comes out of a residual snobbery in the theatre from the days of rigid "high-class/low-class" lines in American society.

"Straight" shows are "high class," having a pedigree stretching back to Shakespeare and the other greats of the theatre past.

Musicals, on the other hand have a history that goes back to the minstrel shows. These where a horrible concept, because they were simply racist jokes and stereotypes played out onstage. Because of this, and the fact that minstrel shows and later vaudeville were spectacles for the lower classes has meant that their grandchild, the modern musical, is still looked down upon by some. Forget the fact that they've left the racism of minstrel shows, and bawdiness of vaudeville far in the past, and become wonders of modern stagecraft and performance, the upper crust of the theatre shall still say that musicals are low-brow. [/rant]


I salute you my friend, for saying everything I wanted to say and saving me the time of typing it all up. Snaps to you! *snaps fingers*
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:15 pm


WickedElphie
Messor

I always hate to hear someone call something a "lower form of art." What does that really mean, anyway? That people enjoy it less? That it's easier to create an artistic work in that art form than others? Or could it just be that a particular establishment looks down upon it?

Example: Bluegrass music. Most musicians (especially those who play classical) will say that this is a "lower" form of music. The truth of the matter is that bluegrass is quite hard to play, if you want it to come out sounding right, and is dearly loved by many. So why should someone say it's lower than other musical genres? The reason is that they disparage the cultural group from which bluegrass comes.

I'd say that this disparagement of the musical comes out of a residual snobbery in the theatre from the days of rigid "high-class/low-class" lines in American society.

"Straight" shows are "high class," having a pedigree stretching back to Shakespeare and the other greats of the theatre past.

Musicals, on the other hand have a history that goes back to the minstrel shows. These where a horrible concept, because they were simply racist jokes and stereotypes played out onstage. Because of this, and the fact that minstrel shows and later vaudeville were spectacles for the lower classes has meant that their grandchild, the modern musical, is still looked down upon by some. Forget the fact that they've left the racism of minstrel shows, and bawdiness of vaudeville far in the past, and become wonders of modern stagecraft and performance, the upper crust of the theatre shall still say that musicals are low-brow. [/rant]


I salute you my friend, for saying everything I wanted to say and saving me the time of typing it all up. Snaps to you! *snaps fingers*


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