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Geryon

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:36 pm


This thread is for people who want serious feedback on their works in progress. We all get stuck sometimes or just want advice on how to make things look better and when that happens you can come here and get some advice from your peers.

exclaim Rules
1.) Artwork posted doesn't have to be gaia related, just anything you want feedback on.
2.) Critiques are meant to be helpful to the artist. Please be kind and knowledgable when you post.
HELPFUL
"You need to work on the foreshortening on the left arm and the image would look better if you chose a single light source and then shade and highlight according to that."

NOT helpful
"OMG!!!!!1111 I wish I had your art skillz! I love it! It's so great! [/sycophantic rant]" <-- Please leave these comments in DA where they belong and multiply like disease. whee

3.) When quoting the picture please cut off the image tags in order to save the users bandwidth, but still allow people to look back at the picture using the link.

4.) Anyone can critique/ post art. All skill levels are welcome. Even if you can't draw a straight line you can still give people positive feedback on things like color or mood.

question What kinds of Feedback are we talking about?
(Blantently stolen from another forum)
Quote:
Positive Checklist:
* Mood/feeling - Does the work convey a mood? Decide if it is merely rendering of parts or if there is a sense of interpretation and feeling.
* Creativity - What has been done better, or differently, from the ordinary? Was creativity used in the selection of subject and/or use of materials?
* Composition - design - Are there interesting shapes - both positive and negative? Is there a variety of shape sizes? Are the picture elements arranged in a dominant design scheme - for example with rectangular or diagonal emphasis? Is the design based on one or several geometric forms and, if several, do they work together? Does the design work with, or against, the subject? Does it attract attention to itself (i.e. the arrangement takes over the subject)? Is the composition balanced?
* Value - How has tonal value been used to convey mood, depth, dimension, and impact/focus? Look at the composition of general tonal areas.
* Color - How has color been used to convey mood, harmony, and depth? Does the color scheme fit the subject? Has color been used to establish a focus/impact area? Check for the use of color fundamentals like complementary or analogous color.
* Other fundamentals - Evaluate the use of other fundamentals (besides color and value) such as perspective, edges, and style. How does perspective help to convey depth?
*Anatomy- Is it off? Is the weight distributed correctly? is the pose dynamic? Foreshortening ok?

Negative Check List
* Technical inaccuracy - Does inaccurate drawing make elements work against the logic or intent of the composition? For example, shadows that fall in the wrong direction, a sloping horizon, errors in perspective for realistic art.
* Lack of imagination - Poor selection of subject and approach. A dull subject rendered in a dull way.
* Lack of originality - Presenting a trite subject that has been painted a thousand times before.
* Inconsistent quality - Landscape good, wildlife weak.
* Easy way out – The artist has obviously positioned a subject to avoid difficult detail.
* Plagiarism - The artist has copied another's work, or used someone else's photographs, and presented it as their own. (This also has legal implications.)

^ That seems like a lot and at times it sounds overly technical (Sorry I just ripped it off from another forum I used to go to, I don't have time at the moment to change the language.) I'm not asking that you address everything on the list, it's just to give you some examples of what to comment on in a picture. Some pictures won't be as developed as others and many of these characteristics won't apply. whee
question What's a redline?
A red line is when a person draws over your picture in order to point out flaws in anatomy or perspective. When giving someone a red line, don't just trace over or redraw their picture. These are very simple comments about structure:
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^ that's what one looks like, but usually they are more helpful. I am not good at redlining my own stuff. sweatdrop
exclaim exclaim exclaim Disclaimer: I know I already wrote this in the rules but I want to elaborate on it. This isn't a "tell the person how much you love their art" thread. If you made something that you love beyond belief and see nothing wrong with it, then this isn't the place to post it because chances are, there is something wrong with it and you might not want to hear it.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:37 pm


Helpful Links
This will contain some helpful links to tutorials on different medias or How to books. If you have a tutorial that you love, please post it in the thread with a little description of what it is or PM me if I'm blind and didn't see it so I can add it to the list.

Anatomy/ Perspective Basics
---LOOMIS: Loomis is a guy who made these great how to draw books back inthe day. They are no longer in print but you can find them on the web. (**** Recomended HIGHLY. If the term "figure drawing" makes no sense to you, you really should look at his books. )

Coloring in Photoshop
---Kina-ink.com: Kina was an old art friend of mine and she has two awesome "how to color in photoshop" (versions 6.0 and 7.0) tutorials on her site. She also has other tutorials about drawing anime.

Geryon


Geryon

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:54 pm


Ok, you guys can post if you want, but I have to leave.
If you have any awesome online tutorials you want to me to add to the link list, please post them! I sadly have two... maybe three if I can find this girl's site on how to color smoothly with Corel.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:55 pm


xDD this thread MIGHT be packed with tons of drawings i need help on. ohohoho.

Jenn-Chan


xKivix

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:57 pm


Dunno A long time ago I went to the art forum and posted my art and they attacked it so badly..I never went there again *sniffles*
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:58 pm


Jenn-Chan
xDD this thread MIGHT be packed with tons of drawings i need help on. ohohoho.

^_^ Ditto. I just hope it will get some of us to finish drawings that we get stuck on.

Geryon


FeS2

Unicorn

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:59 pm


Kivi
Dunno A long time ago I went to the art forum and posted my art and they attacked it so badly..I never went there again *sniffles*
*gives you the Pocky of Comfortingness (tm)* It's okay. This is why you don't post art on Gaia... 3nodding stare
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:01 pm


Kivi
Dunno A long time ago I went to the art forum and posted my art and they attacked it so badly..I never went there again *sniffles*
yes.. i hate that place. gonk once i posted this drawing:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/jenn-chan/kitedadrcom.gif
and most of em said his eyes are horrible. ( and i know the right eye is small.. ><;; ) other then that... T3T;; teh eyes are my favorite. crying most of them didnt gave me nice comments.

Jenn-Chan


Geryon

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:07 pm


Jenn-Chan
Kivi
Dunno A long time ago I went to the art forum and posted my art and they attacked it so badly..I never went there again *sniffles*
yes.. i hate that place. gonk once i posted this drawing:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/jenn-chan/kitedadrcom.gif
and most of em said his eyes are horrible. ( and i know the right eye is small.. ><;; ) other then that... T3T;; teh eyes are my favorite. crying most of them didnt gave me nice comments.

sweatdrop My policy on critiquing anime is to stay away from the face as long as it isn't horribly Picasso-esque, because there are so many different styles when it comes to faces.
And that eye is too small, it's cute though! You should have expected they'd say that.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:11 pm


Here's one I plan to finish... some day...


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Souless Machine


xKivix

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:12 pm


Jenn-Chan
Kivi
Dunno A long time ago I went to the art forum and posted my art and they attacked it so badly..I never went there again *sniffles*
yes.. i hate that place. gonk once i posted this drawing:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/jenn-chan/kitedadrcom.gif
and most of em said his eyes are horrible. ( and i know the right eye is small.. ><;; ) other then that... T3T;; teh eyes are my favorite. crying most of them didnt gave me nice comments.


Yeah bet they can't draw at all stare

Sat: I guess so x.x..
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:41 pm


Dukkie
Here's one I plan to finish... some day...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/yukkiduck/black-bsketchcolor.jpg

You really should post something more finished then that if you want feedback. There is barely anything there, I can't really help you out unless I see more.

Geryon


FeS2

Unicorn

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:57 pm


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Zhenya/avatars/LadyCarrion.jpg

This was my first time using openCanvas. [done a while ago, like two or three months]

Critiques appreciated for the whole thing.

Help needed in: Smoother colouring in oC and lower bodies while sitting. ><
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:09 pm


Here's one of mine... I know you can see bits of me, however this was shot when I didn't have a working scanner. And the picture now resides in Canada.

Frontosa pic

Alice of the Wired


FeS2

Unicorn

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:12 pm


HimizuAsakura
User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.

Here's one of mine... I know you can see bits of me, however this was shot when I didn't have a working scanner. And the picture now resides in Canada.
>< Please don't stretch the page?
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