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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:22 pm
The thrid precept states to abstain from sexual misconduct.
I was wondering if anyone could tell em what they think "Sexual Misconduct" Entails?
I myself don't beleive that sex it wrong. I believe that it is 100% natural and a function of the human body. Misconduct to me would be abusing or neglecting this wonderful natural ability. Misconduct, for me, also entials sex that the other person has not agreed to (rape) or sex with someone to young to thoughtfully decide (petophilia) or sex with multiple people and lots of it. Other than that i think sex is a wonderful thing, and homosexual sex, or un-married sex is just fine, as long as you know what a gift to your body it is and that the person you're having sex with is someone whom you love dearly.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? ^__^
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 12:27 pm
"Sexual misconduct" is something which changes from time to time, culture to culture, and even person to person. Some people would consider sex outside of marriage to be misconduct, some would consider homosexuality to be misconduct, I'm sure everyone agrees that rape certainly is misconduct.
Personally, I feel that sexual misconduct involves sexual addiction. Addictions of all forms are harmful, and this certainly extends to the realm of sex. I do not believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong, nor do I believe that casual sex is wrong.
I would feel that if someone is taking home a stranger every night, or having unprotected sex, or engaging in illegal sexual activities, that these would constitute sexual misconduct.
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Akanishi Makoto Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 8:00 am
I think Rin has hit it on the head... no so much "misconduct" as "attachment". If one feels they need to have sex, and must have sex and desire sex so much that it causes misconduct because of their attachment to sex, then they break the precept.
But remember, there are no sins, and there is no divine consequence for breaking a precept. There are only actions and their effect.
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:02 pm
I think that precept is the most misunderstood and complicated out of the five. Being a homosexual, reading that precept for the first time gave me a frights. Since almost every religion seems to be homophobic, I was losing faith thinking that finally a religion I truly found peace in could offer homophobic views...but fortunatly after much research I have come to the same conclusion so far that others have as well. Homosexuality is not sexual misconduct, it is an addiction to sex that creates that attachment. That is misconduct...that and I believe rape and such is sexual misconduct. I hope that helped.
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:36 pm
Akanishi Makoto I think Rin has hit it on the head... no so much "misconduct" as "attachment". If one feels they need to have sex, and must have sex and desire sex so much that it causes misconduct because of their attachment to sex, then they break the precept. But remember, there are no sins, and there is no divine consequence for breaking a precept. There are only actions and their effect. Yup ... the 5 basic percepts are for the purpose of good ... away from attractment and in harmony with the laws of kamma (action and reaction) ... mrgreen
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:33 am
CD Kenz, I have encountered a few Buddhists who view homosexuality to be sexual misconduct. That is because they fail to understand homosexuality, not because they are inherently biggoted.
Those Buddhists were from Thailand where most people's experience with homosexuality is in the form of male prostitutes (some of whom are underaged). Considering that this has been their experience with it, it's easy to understand why they would disagree with it.
Explaining to them what it means in North America and Europe (as well as other places, I'm sure) changed the view they had of it. It did not occur to them that to millions of gay men and women, it's exactly the same as heterosexuality. Casual sex, love, and marriage (well, in Canada at least) - it's virtually the same.
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:18 am
Oh, I agree, [StealingBread]. Sex is a thing of life. Heck, how can there BE life without sex? :] Heh. Anyway, to me "sexual misconduct" would be rape, prostitution, beastiality, *****, addiction to sex, or huge orgies. I think most of those are self-explanatory.
I myself am a lesbian, and enjoy women's bodies and much as their love and them as a person. Also, sex should be limited to people who love each other, not casual sex or one-night stands("casual sex" is kind of an oxymoron though, isn't it? rolleyes ). I think a threesome if fine though. I mean, if I invited my friend to join my girlfriend and I, I don't think there'd be a problem(yeah, most of my female friends are bi. ^_~). I love my girlfriend, and my friend both, just in different ways.
Again, it depends on the person to what "sexual misconduct" entails. I think the basic approach would be "as long as it doesn't hurt you or the other person, physically or emotionally." Ne? 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:29 pm
Sexual misconduct (in my mind): unsafe sex, sex with a minor, sex with animals, rape, sex that could cause suffering for people involved. Homosexuality or whatever else is wired into you to be pleasureable is ok as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:24 pm
I've always thought that sexual misconduct refers to any time sex is used with only personal pleasure in mind. This would include acts of violence, such as rape, or a promiscuous lifestyle. I do not think the third precept is meant to condemn practices such as homosexuality, polygamy, and incest, as long as it is done with love and mutual affection.
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:54 pm
The definition that I've seen of the third precept defines it not as SEXUAL misconduct, but as sensual misconduct. Gluttony and laziness for the sake of wallowing in sense, for example. These things can hurt you and other people through greed, etc.
Just a thought.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:02 am
Quote: The definition that I've seen of the third precept defines it not as SEXUAL misconduct, but as sensual misconduct. Gluttony and laziness for the sake of wallowing in sense, for example. These things can hurt you and other people through greed, etc. I wholeheartedly agree with this. If all participants are willing then I see nothing wrong with any kind of sexual act. However, if it gets out of control(i.e. becoming a NEED), that is when misconduct occurs
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:26 am
[ Jizo Bosatsu ] "Sexual misconduct" is something which changes from time to time, culture to culture, and even person to person. Some people would consider sex outside of marriage to be misconduct, some would consider homosexuality to be misconduct, I'm sure everyone agrees that rape certainly is misconduct. Personally, I feel that sexual misconduct involves sexual addiction. Addictions of all forms are harmful, and this certainly extends to the realm of sex. I do not believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong, nor do I believe that casual sex is wrong. I would feel that if someone is taking home a stranger every night, or having unprotected sex, or engaging in illegal sexual activities, that these would constitute sexual misconduct. well I think that sexual misconduct is again anything that involves lust or any other thing that is not truly out of love. Having fun, well I dunno about that, although it has alot to do with feeling good in different ways and whatnot so I would have to say that it is probably a bit contrivetial.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:50 am
I am so glad to see everyone didn't bring down the homosexuals or anything. I'm gay myself and was raised a Catholic yet found Buddhism due to it's universal tolerance and focus on peace. The teachings I read in the Dhammpada made sense...they were practical teachings and honestly people are hard up to find anything wrong with Buddhism. Sexual misconduct I always believed was an addiction to sex, a need or having sex outside of love or a commited relationship. That is just my view, though you are all right to say it changes due to the time and culture. We are fortunate enough to live in these days when people are becoming more tolerant....well at least more people than before.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:25 pm
I'm really glad to see that people are being open-minded and not bashing homosexuals (being one myself, heh wink ). I think we can all agree that sexual misconduct would obviously be anything non-consensual, but aside from that I think it depends a lot on the person.
One important thing the Buddha is said to have stressed is that people shouldn't just accept anything with blind faith (such as rules one must follow). Rather we are to exam the ideas ourselves and see how we feel about them. For that reason I myself think homosexuality couldn't possibly be sexual misconduct, because for me it's completely natural; it's how I am and have always been.
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