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LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:26 pm


How do you feel about bands like Switchfoot who have become secular to make more money and Relient K who on there last few cd's while still having Christian themes, have not said words like God or Jesus or anything like that so that they can draw in a larger crowd?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:15 pm


Two things I have to say on this subject:
Just because Christian music isn't 'Worship' doesn't make it non-Christian. I write Christian songs all the time (not all the time, but most of the time) but they aren't considered worship. Most songs that are Christian that aren't Worship end up being more of an outlook on life with God in the center. The jelly filling.
However, that said, I am disapointed about groups like Switchfoot. When they were Christian group, they had it all and their stuff was worth more than money. Still, they sold out. I'm not saying they aren't Christian, and some of there songs still do have Christian messages, but not all, and it is sad. They're not even Christian much anymore. They're secular rock. (Mostly. I'm hoping for a rebound on the next album)
Course, it could be a sort of exile for them. Bands have done it. Creed was a COMPLETE exile stage. But Scott Stapp bounced back.

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LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:04 am


MaxstertheBard
Two things I have to say on this subject:
Just because Christian music isn't 'Worship' doesn't make it non-Christian. I write Christian songs all the time (not all the time, but most of the time) but they aren't considered worship. Most songs that are Christian that aren't Worship end up being more of an outlook on life with God in the center. The jelly filling.
However, that said, I am disapointed about groups like Switchfoot. When they were Christian group, they had it all and their stuff was worth more than money. Still, they sold out. I'm not saying they aren't Christian, and some of there songs still do have Christian messages, but not all, and it is sad. They're not even Christian much anymore. They're secular rock. (Mostly. I'm hoping for a rebound on the next album)
Course, it could be a sort of exile for them. Bands have done it. Creed was a COMPLETE exile stage. But Scott Stapp bounced back.
Yes I agree. I also thing the title being sellouts is a little harsh so anyone who's offended by me calling them that just tell me.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:12 am


Well, perhaps the only reason that they made albums more appealing to non-christian music listeners is to either draw them in so they'll listen to the christian stuff, or make some cash so they have the funds to make even more christian stuff. Or, they could be selling out. I don't know.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:15 pm


Relient K is no sellout, I just dont like them xd
but seriously, Relient K doesnt need lyrics that DONT say God or Jesus to make them sellouts, and for Switchfoot, they are amazing, but I'm counting up the days til they start swearing. But until them I'll be following them only because I like their music, not their choices.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:22 pm


I normally write 'worship' songs that flat-out praise God. Lately I have been experimenting. Songs with 'hidden' meanings appeal to a wider audience and still make for good worship. It may be a ploy to get more money, but I don't look at it like that. I look at it as well-written music.

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LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:57 pm


Haven923
I normally write 'worship' songs that flat-out praise God. Lately I have been experimenting. Songs with 'hidden' meanings appeal to a wider audience and still make for good worship. It may be a ploy to get more money, but I don't look at it like that. I look at it as well-written music.
Well I listen to music with hidden meaning too, I mean on Switchfoots cd Learning to Breath, only one song even mentioned God but the album is still one of my favorite Christian albums. Relient K is still good but they're like half secular, half Christian. Switchfoot supposedly is just plain secular now. I don't think they're sellouts and I'm going to change the title to something different, but if they're only doing it to make money than is it not just they're music thats becoming unChristian, but them themselves. For instance Mark 10 Verses 17 through 31 talks about how hard it is for the rich to get into Heaven.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:53 pm


To the Mark comment: I'll agree with that statement, and I'll agree with the fact that that was probably what he meant, but I think he was dealing with allagorical puns at the same time. Mark meant it that way, and I think he also meant those that are full of themselves, full of the world, not necissarily in items but in culture. A pun, two meanings in one statement here. Two birds with one stone.
As to the rest: Switchfoot will bounce back, or my friend is going to flip out, cause Switchfoot is his favorite band and he'd hate to see them be lost for good. (Man, I need to get him on Creed or something, cause he has been crazy about Switchfoot for as long as I've known him. A little Green Day may do him some good too... just a thought).

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LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:51 am


MaxstertheBard
To the Mark comment: I'll agree with that statement, and I'll agree with the fact that that was probably what he meant, but I think he was dealing with allagorical puns at the same time. Mark meant it that way, and I think he also meant those that are full of themselves, full of the world, not necissarily in items but in culture. A pun, two meanings in one statement here. Two birds with one stone.
As to the rest: Switchfoot will bounce back, or my friend is going to flip out, cause Switchfoot is his favorite band and he'd hate to see them be lost for good. (Man, I need to get him on Creed or something, cause he has been crazy about Switchfoot for as long as I've known him. A little Green Day may do him some good too... just a thought).
You should go to purevolume.com, log in, then go to purevolume.com/OneDarkSummer and download the 31 song sampler and find a good band from there that he'll like. They're mostly Christian artists. I like everything I've heard from there.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:13 am


Cool. I'm doing that right now as I type...

MaxstertheBard


Imotoku

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:44 pm


I think it is totally wrong to change from christian to secular, especially to make more money.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:54 am


i'm not sure about Relient K or Switchfoot. until i know their personal reasons for switching, i can't really make myself judge them. confused but otherwise. it depends on why they switched. sometimes it's to try to reach a wider audience and bring people to God and if so, i respect and admire that. i just hope they keep to God's will.

lilacluva05


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:59 pm


I am dissapointed in Switchfoot. They were doing so well until they switched over. Relient K is okay, but I prefer Hawk Nelson.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:21 pm


I don't have a huge problem with it, actually. Look at the bands you mention: Switchfoot, RK, etc. Is it still good music? Yeah. Does it promote sin or worldly things? No. Actually, it's sometimes a good thing when bands go mainstream. If non-believers like the mainstream songs, they might go back and see what they used to play and what influences them. I know a guy who isn't a fan of organized religion as a whole, but wears his Switchfoot hoodie a minimum of once a week. I pointed out that SF is (or at least was... I've not heard much of their new stuff) a Christian band. He was confused, so I told him to look up the older stuff and read the lyrics. I used their going secular as a witnessing tool.

It's not always bad for a Christian band to try and get a larger audience by going more mainstream. Some people see it as selling out, but I see it differently. And Outkast, it's not always about more money or more sales.

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LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:49 pm


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I don't have a huge problem with it, actually. Look at the bands you mention: Switchfoot, RK, etc. Is it still good music? Yeah. Does it promote sin or worldly things? No. Actually, it's sometimes a good thing when bands go mainstream. If non-believers like the mainstream songs, they might go back and see what they used to play and what influences them. I know a guy who isn't a fan of organized religion as a whole, but wears his Switchfoot hoodie a minimum of once a week. I pointed out that SF is (or at least was... I've not heard much of their new stuff) a Christian band. He was confused, so I told him to look up the older stuff and read the lyrics. I used their going secular as a witnessing tool.

It's not always bad for a Christian band to try and get a larger audience by going more mainstream. Some people see it as selling out, but I see it differently. And Outkast, it's not always about more money or more sales.
Well that does make sense.
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