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 Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:56 pm
This is a continuation of the original thread which is still in the Books forum here. I figured since we have a guild now, that it would be a good idea to bring the discussion here as well. Carry on. Hey, this is the first topic I've -ever- created. Go me.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:00 pm
GO YOU!!!!!!
Do you think censorship has gotten worse or better in recent times? I think it's gotten better. Now that more people have decent educations, and we have mass media such as the internet, it's almost impossible to keep information out of people's hands....
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:04 am
But there's still so much we're not supposed to see and hear, and a lot of fact changing that happens right under our nose. We've been lulled into a complacent society these days. We really need a Fight Club style wake up.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:35 pm
That is true, but as Katane mentioned in today's society it is a lot easier to get a hold of banned material, especially if you check the internet.
Media shows you what they want you to see, and that can support a dull, unitellegent society, but I like to think that most children are brought up to question things in schools. Question authority, question religion, question everything. We just have to make sure kids learn to do that, then they will go find the banned material themselves, or simply revolt against the oppressor.
Censorship will probably continue to be a problem forever, though, as any 'intellegent' government would want to keep some information from their citizens for controll. It may not be right, but they'll do it if they think it will make the country run more smoothly. As accepting what people tell you is a nice, easy way out of doing any work for yourself and many people are lazy, they will accept what they are told.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:52 pm
I finally got the book, just haven't had time to read it. As for the banned books thing, people think that if kids don't read those books that talk about religion and sexuality, then they will never think about or do it basically. My parents were never like that, mom was letting me read whatever I want, she was just happy I was reading. Parents should just let their kids read what they want and learn about the real world.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:58 am
DarkPrincessOfAngels I finally got the book, just haven't had time to read it. As for the banned books thing, people think that if kids don't read those books that talk about religion and sexuality, then they will never think about or do it basically. My parents were never like that, mom was letting me read whatever I want, she was just happy I was reading. Parents should just let their kids read what they want and learn about the real world. My parents were great like that too. My mom always told me to question everything, so I could find the right answers for myself.
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:02 pm
Should this thread be deleated or what? Just asking, and for future referance.
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:32 pm
mistressofthelost Should this thread be deleated or what? Just asking, and for future referance. I'm going to let this thread run until the October Discussion Thread is put up. Then, I think we should delete it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:04 am
I didn't really like the book, well so far I haven't finnished it yet sweatdrop . I think it was weird
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:43 am
I only just managed to get a hold of the book and read it sweatdrop
I was wondering what did people think of the author's obssession with fast driving. It sort of seemed besides the point to me, or at least, given too much focus. Although it does show a lack of care for human life/safety, it was strange that it was such a big part of the 'problem'.
(And don't you think you should keep old BoTM discussion threads, both for interest and for the record. Current BoTM discussion threads should be temporarily stickied, and then unstickied when their time is up. But it will always be interesting for members to go look back over old discussions, etc)
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:20 pm
I think the fast driving obseesion was important and relevant because it gave you a glimpse of how much things change. People no longer want a journey, only a destination. It's no longer about the scenery, it's about power. People want to win, they want to be the fastest.
I guess that reading is scenery for the imagination. In the culture of the book, nobody wanted that anymore. They wanted a conclusion, something simple and to the point.
And I suppose we could archive discussion threads, but after awhile, wouldn't that take up a lot of space?
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:17 pm
Katane And I suppose we could archive discussion threads, but after awhile, wouldn't that take up a lot of space? Not really. I mean in a year, that would only be 12 threads, compared to all the other threads that people make. But that's just my opinion.
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:48 pm
Katane People no longer want a journey, only a destination That's a good point smile Liked the way you put it too. Just a quick question: The author never says where the novel is set. Is that right? And a longer one: Does the author misjudge television. It seems like he claims that television can't challenge its viewers. Are there no movies/shows that challenge those who watch them. Can't television offer some of the benefits that books can? (I hope that's coherent. I guess I'll find out from people's response. And yes... I know the october books has already been selected, I'm just a bit slow)
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:24 pm
meanwhile Katane People no longer want a journey, only a destination That's a good point smile Liked the way you put it too. Just a quick question: The author never says where the novel is set. Is that right? And a longer one: Does the author misjudge television. It seems like he claims that television can't challenge its viewers. Are there no movies/shows that challenge those who watch them. Can't television offer some of the benefits that books can? (I hope that's coherent. I guess I'll find out from people's response. And yes... I know the october books has already been selected, I'm just a bit slow) Television CAN challenge it's viewers, but in the world of the book, it certainly didn't. If books are being censored, you bet bet your bottom dollar that television is censored. The government won't let the people see anything that will make them think. And I'm not sure if the author ever specified location, but it's most certainly somewhere in America. I know Saint Louis was mentioned several times (the old guy said he would be going North to Saint Louis to print some stuff). And there were farms right outside of the city, so it's in an agricultural area. So probably somehwere in the Southern states such as Mississippi and Alabama....
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:16 pm
Quote: The government won't let the people see anything that will make them think. You mentioned the goverment as the reason for the censorship - but I felt the thing that defined Farenheit 451 as different from every other dystopia (eg. 1984), was that it was more of a popular movement. After all, we are told that the first book burnings were done by people. Do you agree with this understanding of the novel? And do you think television could bring the 'masses' to behave in such a way?
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