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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:55 pm
Recently, i've been looking at several tutorials and books on music theory. It's amazing how the "how" makes so much more sense once you know the "why". I have to admit it was an incredible eye opener when I realized that the awesome solo I just managed to "make up" is nothing more than a few scales of different flavors working together. It seemed natural to jump from note 1 to note 2, but once you learn that there is a pattern to everything, you certainly look at your guitar in a different light.
So is music theory a must?
Let's look at it from both perspectives.
Those who says 'yay' to this usually have a similar argument. In order to make good music, you have to know the rules of music, to take them or break them as you see fit. No use trying to reinvent the wheel when you can easily pick up a few books and then develop your own style afterwards. Music theory is not much a set of rules, as previously states, as it is a collection of common practice. Picture 6 guitar players smoking a bowl (ok, so the bowl is optional) and telling each other hints and tricks. That's your music theory right there.
And yet, naysayers will say that there are many who, without music theory, have made great music. Take Jimi Hendrix for example. Or Dave Murray. They both had no knowledge of musical theory. Yet they managed to make riffs and melodies which still make us sway today. So is musical theory just an option for those born without the innate ability to make music?
In my opinion, no. As incredible as Hendrix was, he himself felt trapped within the boundaries of his own creativity. Sadly, he never had the time to learn theory. It's like being this incredible artist. Maybe the best in the world. And you have a box of 12 crayons, and with it, you create something beautiful. Now imagine if you could have hundreds of more colors because you tapped into this pool of knowledge where all these other incredible artists are sharing their crayons. This crude anology is my perspective on music theory, and why I think that anyone that's serious about playing the guitar and making music should at least read a book on it to see what it's about ^_^
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:47 pm
Music theory is a must to communicate your music aside from audio. If i wanted to show you something but i couldnt,i could send you a .pdf scan of a page of music and you could instantly understand what i was doing. I Could explain my reasoning to you and the way the notes connect and the modal systems i was using. using it lets you understand how notes and scales and chords are connected and how their used and all their principles. People say it isnt neccessary. i use this analogy - to write a book you need to learn grammar, and know the language. Same with music. You cant break the rules if you dont know them.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:37 am
I think what you're both saying is absoloutely right, but I think there's one thing you've missed - having bad days.
If you're a song-writer, and you write purely by inspiration, then on some days you might be a bit pissed off or half asleep or whatever, and unable to get any work done, because the inspiration "hasn't struck you". However, if the way you write is based on theory, and tried+tested principles, then even when you're having a terrible day, you still know that a bridge based around the 5th chord of the key will lead nicely into a chorus based around the 3rd. Inspiration can leave you stranded, but knowledge is always there.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:26 am
Musical theory has to be a must. Aside from all the great reasons you guys have posted, there is also the fact that it makes music much easier to learn - instead of a song being made up of seeming random movements up and down a fretboard, keyboard or whatever instrument you play, it becomes a sequence of interconnected notes.
If you are a member of a band, and you can say "Ok, can we transpose this to Gm instead of Am?" or "Can you augement that D#7?" as opposed to saying "Can you play that note there while you're playing that chord there, no, not that one the one before it, yeah that one, can you play that note, no not that one, the one beside it, no the other side, yeah that one....." it makes life much simpler.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:06 am
The Elementary Penguin IIf you're a song-writer, and you write purely by inspiration, then on some days you might be a bit pissed off or half asleep or whatever Hell, when im half asleep is when i write my best stuff lol
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:54 am
KyrieEleison The Elementary Penguin IIf you're a song-writer, and you write purely by inspiration, then on some days you might be a bit pissed off or half asleep or whatever Hell, when im half asleep is when i write my best stuff lol Wow, fair enough. Actually, a lot of the best music ever written was written by seriously pissed-off musicians - We all know the story behind Rumours, by Fleetwood Mac, and I believe I'm right in thinking that that was the best selling album ever.Ok, so maybe it was a bad example to say "some days you might be a bit pissed off or half asleep". But you know what I mean - some days, the inspiration does not strike.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:05 pm
Also, if you know the theory, when true inspiration DOES hit, you'll be able to portray it much faster because your only worried in writing what you feel, not in the -how-.
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:52 am
thought I would bring a post to the front that was like on page 3 so....
Music theory is the most important part of playing guitar. Its like trying to paint a picture knowing nothing about shading or values and such. It just wont work. You must learn theory if you want to express yourself in a truely...expressive way.
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:48 pm
i say theory is a must. almost all of the great musicians today wouldnt be that good without it. vai and petrucci, in my opinion two of the best guitarists out there, went to berklee. although with some people, theory can be replaced by drugs
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:02 pm
And to anyone (anywhere, not just here) that tries to defend their lack of wanting for music theory by bringing up Hendrix: sure, he wasnt the best at theory, but even he was held back by this.
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:14 pm
While we are on the topic, what are some good guitar based theory books? I know theory is for all music, but most books go by keyboards, which I do not yet play or own. Any help would be great.
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:50 pm
[ Kiro ] Recently, i've been looking at several tutorials and books on music theory. It's amazing how the "how" makes so much more sense once you know the "why". I have to admit it was an incredible eye opener when I realized that the awesome solo I just managed to "make up" is nothing more than a few scales of different flavors working together. It seemed natural to jump from note 1 to note 2, but once you learn that there is a pattern to everything, you certainly look at your guitar in a different light. So is music theory a must? Let's look at it from both perspectives. Those who says 'yay' to this usually have a similar argument. In order to make good music, you have to know the rules of music, to take them or break them as you see fit. No use trying to reinvent the wheel when you can easily pick up a few books and then develop your own style afterwards. Music theory is not much a set of rules, as previously states, as it is a collection of common practice. Picture 6 guitar players smoking a bowl (ok, so the bowl is optional) and telling each other hints and tricks. That's your music theory right there. And yet, naysayers will say that there are many who, without music theory, have made great music. Take Jimi Hendrix for example. Or Dave Murray. They both had no knowledge of musical theory. Yet they managed to make riffs and melodies which still make us sway today. So is musical theory just an option for those born without the innate ability to make music? In my opinion, no. As incredible as Hendrix was, he himself felt trapped within the boundaries of his own creativity. Sadly, he never had the time to learn theory. It's like being this incredible artist. Maybe the best in the world. And you have a box of 12 crayons, and with it, you create something beautiful. Now imagine if you could have hundreds of more colors because you tapped into this pool of knowledge where all these other incredible artists are sharing their crayons. This crude anology is my perspective on music theory, and why I think that anyone that's serious about playing the guitar and making music should at least read a book on it to see what it's about ^_^ WOW nice perspective! I love the way you see Music Theory! I couldn't agree more!
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:16 pm
Why don't we ever talk about music theory anymore? Do you think I'm pretty? Do these pants make my a** look big?
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:05 pm
Contriversy time!
I think music theory is NOT a must. HOWEVER, there should be no reason to not want to learn it.
If you are going to play guitar (or any instrument) with "expression/feeling", it doesn't exactly come from knowledge. It comes from having the music in you. That's roght, having the music in you. For I kow some people who tried to learn music thery, but are yet unable to play. Not because they had ne patience, cause they loved music, but they were unable to sort fel the music. EXAMPLE: My friend, he asked me, for how long to I hold this note? And how many times do i strum it?" I mean, You should be able to feel then it's time to change the note/how many times to strum it.
And just because you don't know music theory, doesn't mean we don't now what the name of the notes are, thanks. stare I now what a Gm is and a D#7.
Granted, learning music theory will help you to easily express yourself. And definatly granted that I want to learn music theory. But, like Hendrix, I have not the capability to learn music theory from a teacher, or yet to get hold of a decent book.
But i have to say, coming up with my own songs/solos without learning music theory, to me, makes me feel really proud of myself. Kinda like, "Ha! You may have beter education than me, you should be better, but you're not, b***h!" >.<
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:19 pm
Not a must. You don`t need theory to be a good musician. You just need theory to be a better musician.
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