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 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:00 am
Just something I was wondering about. In FFVI, while I'm quite happy to accept a pickpocket wolf (who's jumped games from FFV) and a monster living in a portrait, there are two scenes that for me just seemed a little too...silly...to really fit; the Train of the Departed scenario and the Wrexsoul dream scenario (where the other three party members literally jump into Cayenne's head). And then I realised that both these scenes centred around Cayenne, arguably the most messed-up-in-the-head character in the game. So what i'm wondering is...did these events, in the strictist sense of the word, actually occur? Or are they just metaphors for Cayenne's mental recovery?
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:27 am
Wrexsoul I can agree was more or less the recovery of Cyan's (I go by the translated ways) mental state. The train on the other hand seemed to me like a degression into madness rather than a step forward from it. Literally, it would be acceptance to see his family go onto death, rather than freak out that his family died. Although if The Train is of mentallity only, it would explain suplexing an ENTIRE TRAIN with Sabin.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:35 am
Zephrioth Wrexsoul I can agree was more or less the recovery of Cyan's (I go by the translated ways) mental state. The train on the other hand seemed to me like a degression into madness rather than a step forward from it. Literally, it would be acceptance to see his family go onto death, rather than freak out that his family died. Although if The Train is of mentallity only, it would explain suplexing an ENTIRE TRAIN with Sabin. Cayenne: Egads, 'tis a train of evil! Lord Mash, please use your skills of the orient 'gainst the manxsome foe! Mash: It's...just a train, dude. Cayenne: Lord Mash, I beseech you! Mash: Ooookay... (Mash suplexes a perfectly ordinary train) Cayenne: Hah! Take that, vile and evil ghost train! Shadow: ....
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:14 pm
I learn so much... I never knew you could suplex the train. Why? Because I Pheonix Down it every time. It's just faster.
The question on my mind though: If the entire ghost train scenario is in Cyan's head; what is the symbolism of the ultimately weak swordsman fellow whom I forget the name of? Is he Cyan's insecurity manifest; convinced he's the ultimate swordsman despite being unable to defend those he loves?
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:08 pm
Boberyno I learn so much... I never knew you could suplex the train. Why? Because I Pheonix Down it every time. It's just faster. The question on my mind though: If the entire ghost train scenario is in Cyan's head; what is the symbolism of the ultimately weak swordsman fellow whom I forget the name of? Is he Cyan's insecurity manifest; convinced he's the ultimate swordsman despite being unable to defend those he loves? Psychological, that. And, the guy's name is Ziegfried. He's got some sort of clone running around, too... (Siegfried) And, the clone's stronger (not to mention nicer...) I don't remember Zieg's significance to the story... I don't even remember if you can get the item he stole...
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:26 pm
Kenjoki Ikari Psychological, that. And, the guy's name is Ziegfried. He's got some sort of clone running around, too... (Siegfried) And, the clone's stronger (not to mention nicer...) I don't remember Zieg's significance to the story... I don't even remember if you can get the item he stole... As much as I've tried to get it back and through many guides and rumours, nothing has offically come up. He's just there for comedic purposes for all I know.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:27 pm
Like I said before. Sabin is just redicioulsy strong as far as suplexing a train goes. Goodness knows how long he was holding up that house. I wondered about Siegfried myself. I suppose seeing your whole kingdom die would be psychologicaly tramautizing, but not so far that it could make everyone else hallucinate with him. Cyan does have some werid crap floating around in his head though.
Hrm... maybe sabin should have just bum rushed the Cult of Kefka tower. It would have saved everyone the trouble of walking up it.
The Mash Cayenne Shadow skit is pretty funny blaugh
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 6:53 pm
Gallina Hrm... maybe sabin should have just bum rushed the Cult of Kefka tower. It would have saved everyone the trouble of walking up it. My lord Kefka will smite you for such suggestions! Snoogins razz
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:40 am
Gallina Like I said before. Sabin is just redicioulsy strong as far as suplexing a train goes. Goodness knows how long he was holding up that house. I wondered about Siegfried myself. I suppose seeing your whole kingdom die would be psychologicaly tramautizing, but not so far that it could make everyone else hallucinate with him. Cyan does have some werid crap floating around in his head though. Hrm... maybe sabin should have just bum rushed the Cult of Kefka tower. It would have saved everyone the trouble of walking up it. The Mash Cayenne Shadow skit is pretty funny blaugh I was thinking more that there was possibly just an ordinary train, which Mash, Cayenne and Shadow all used but only Cayenne saw ghosts and believed the train to be something more significant. And that in Cayenne's home castle the other characters simply slept through the night and Cayenne only imagined that they were in his dream/psychotic episode. It makes sense to me anyway... Oh, and thanks for the compliment. whee
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:06 pm
Wait... if the Doma Castle dream is all in Cyan's head... aren't there big sections of that dream that take place without him? What's he doing dreaming that he's somone else going to rescue him from certain doom?
On top of that, if you have Terra in your party, you get all the extra abilities that she is attributed in the magitek armor, which Cyan couldn't possibly know about having never been in Magitek combat with her. Possibly the biggest single piece of evidence that the whole thing actually happened and wasn't just Cyan being insane.
Also, any items you get in the dream you keep afterward, where did they come from? Were they just tucked under the pillow and Cyan subconciously shoofed them into his mallet-space?
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:05 am
Boberyno Wait... if the Doma Castle dream is all in Cyan's head... aren't there big sections of that dream that take place without him? What's he doing dreaming that he's somone else going to rescue him from certain doom? On top of that, if you have Terra in your party, you get all the extra abilities that she is attributed in the magitek armor, which Cyan couldn't possibly know about having never been in Magitek combat with her. Possibly the biggest single piece of evidence that the whole thing actually happened and wasn't just Cyan being insane. Also, any items you get in the dream you keep afterward, where did they come from? Were they just tucked under the pillow and Cyan subconciously shoofed them into his mallet-space? All good points... Of course, Lock could've TOLD him about the Magitek thing, since he clearly knew about Tina's assault on Narshe before he met her. Or Tina herself might've remembered and told him. And as for the items thing, why would items that existed inside Cayenne's dream be usable in real life. The under-the-pillow thing makes more sense than that does...
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:41 pm
victoryusagi All good points... Of course, Lock could've TOLD him about the Magitek thing, since he clearly knew about Tina's assault on Narshe before he met her. Or Tina herself might've remembered and told him. And as for the items thing, why would items that existed inside Cayenne's dream be usable in real life. The under-the-pillow thing makes more sense than that does... Well, in my mind it's a question of wheter or not the dream was real. If it were, we can assume that they were sucked into some sort of shadow-dimension and that the items they aquire cross back over the dimensional breach when the dream is over. As for Locke telling him about the Magitek abilities, he couldn't possibly know all the powers that Terra had in the assault on Narshe since he wasn't there for it (otherwise we can assume he'd have tried to stop it), and Terra isn't exactly loose-lipped about the experience. It's my impression that the whole Cyan's dream fiasco actually did occur in a pocket-dimension opened by whatever that monster guy was when he was strengthened by Cyan's grief, which became overwhelming due to their spending a night in the castle Doma.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:21 am
Hmm...I'm more prepared to accept the explanation of "another dimension" than "it was all a dream". What does that say about me sweatdrop ?
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:34 pm
Alternate dimension makes sense to me, items and all. Cyan would have had to shove a whole crapload of item's under his pillow. I forget what the deal with the Aura sword was after he recovers anwyway.
About the phantom train, one of my favorite lines in the game has to be "No escape. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. You can't escape. No where to run, nowhere to hide" whee
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:16 am
Gallina Alternate dimension makes sense to me, items and all. Cyan would have had to shove a whole crapload of item's under his pillow. I forget what the deal with the Aura sword was after he recovers anwyway. About the phantom train, one of my favorite lines in the game has to be "No escape. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. You can't escape. No where to run, nowhere to hide" whee That reminds me of something...
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