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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:11 pm
Mkay, so here I come with another odd thread (I always feel like I'm posting about... strange things).
So there's always the debate about evolution and how, if we choose to accept it, it supposedly denies the exhistance of God.
I don't nessicarily buy into the humans evolving from monkeys business but I do believe the possibility of humans physically changing over our long exhistance.
However, part of me really likes the idea of intelligent design. Intelligent design is basically the idea that God created evolution. God's a pretty smart guy so why wouldn't he design us so that we can adapt to our enviornment? The human race has changed- we have scientific proof of that. So why not credit God with creating that aspect of us as well?
Anyway. Intelligent design, what do y'all think?
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:35 pm
thelovelyLIZ Mkay, so here I come with another odd thread (I always feel like I'm posting about... strange things). So there's always the debate about evolution and how, if we choose to accept it, it supposedly denies the exhistance of God. I don't nessicarily buy into the humans evolving from monkeys business but I do believe the possibility of humans physically changing over our long exhistance. However, part of me really likes the idea of intelligent design. Intelligent design is basically the idea that God created evolution. God's a pretty smart guy so why wouldn't he design us so that we can adapt to our enviornment? The human race has changed- we have scientific proof of that. So why not credit God with creating that aspect of us as well? Anyway. Intelligent design, what do y'all think? Intelligent design is what the Bible implies (in regard to the creation of this earth). Luck was not a factor in creation and things did not become so perfect for human life by chance, therefore luck is not a factor. In the beginning of the Bible it says "In the Beginnig God created the heavens and the earth..." not "In the beginning evolution created the heavens and the earth...." therefore logically Intelligent Design is how the universe was made. Keep in mind that God was not "bound" to time, space, or matter(U can't use time, space or matter as an excuse). So logically and biblically Intelligent Design is how the universe came to existence
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:12 pm
Intelligent design as "intelligent design" is stupid, because it's just a ploy to get religion into public schools.
However the concept of God creating evolution is one I firmly believe in.
Evolution is the idea that animals (and plants) evolve over time through genetic mutations.
Humans did not evolve from monkeys, if I have to say it one more time I'm going to, er, use the caps lock. sweatdrop
Evolution says that humans and monkeys share a common ape ancestor, this ape ancestor evolved into two separate groups humans and monkeys.
And there was the Australopithicus, who was small and hairy. And there was Homo Habilis (spelling?) who first used tools I believe. Next Homo Erectus who walked upright and discovered fire. And the Neanderthals who mourned their dead. And so on, and so on. Thus, we evolved into Homo Sapien Sapiens (spelling again?), the "smart human".
So, yes, God guiding/planning evolution makes perfect sense. I mean, it's brilliant. No one but God could have created such an intricate universe, from the atoms to the galaxies, and the universe is so huge.
Everything is made up of atoms which are so tiny, and then the electrons and protons and neutrons that are even tinier that make up the atoms. And the atoms make up the molecules, and the molecules make up everything in the world. In a living thing, molecules make up cells. And in every cell is carried DNA the unique blueprint for that living thing, and the cell is a living thing unto itself. With it's own little organs, or organelles, and all these tiny cells make up tissue. And each tissue makes up an organ. And each organ is part of an organ system, which make up the whole body. But we are just tiny little beings compared to the whole earth. And the whole earth is so tiny compared to a star. And there are millions of stars in just one galaxy, and there are infinite galaxies in the whole universe.
We are so small. How lucky we are to be blessed with life, in this great huge universe. We take it all for granted but this creation is so amazing, we can't even comprehend it.
It is so arrogant to say that the universe is not divine. How can people consider the entire universe and believe it all happened by chance?
That there was the big bang, and bam there was huge coincedince and all there is is just the physical world, and the universe is infinite and their is nothing beyond it and consciousness is just electrical impulses from the brain?
Just to say the universe is infinite seems absolute proof of some divine entity. Infinity goes on forever, forever is a concept the human brain simply cannot grasp.
And if the universe is finite, then what is beyond the universe?
And if there is no God, then why do viruses exist?
Sorry 'bout that. Once I get started, I can't seem to stop. rofl
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:42 am
Captain_Theoretical Intelligent design as "intelligent design" is stupid, because it's just a ploy to get religion into public schools. However the concept of God creating evolution is one I firmly believe in. Evolution is the idea that animals (and plants) evolve over time through genetic mutations. Humans did not evolve from monkeys, if I have to say it one more time I'm going to, er, use the caps lock. sweatdrop Evolution says that humans and monkeys share a common ape ancestor, this ape ancestor evolved into two separate groups humans and monkeys. And there was the Australopithicus, who was small and hairy. And there was Homo Habilis (spelling?) who first used tools I believe. Next Homo Erectus who walked upright and discovered fire. And the Neanderthals who mourned their dead. And so on, and so on. Thus, we evolved into Homo Sapien Sapiens (spelling again?), the "smart human". So, yes, God guiding/planning evolution makes perfect sense. I mean, it's brilliant. No one but God could have created such an intricate universe, from the atoms to the galaxies, and the universe is so huge. Everything is made up of atoms which are so tiny, and then the electrons and protons and neutrons that are even tinier that make up the atoms. And the atoms make up the molecules, and the molecules make up everything in the world. In a living thing, molecules make up cells. And in every cell is carried DNA the unique blueprint for that living thing, and the cell is a living thing unto itself. With it's own little organs, or organelles, and all these tiny cells make up tissue. And each tissue makes up an organ. And each organ is part of an organ system, which make up the whole body. But we are just tiny little beings compared to the whole earth. And the whole earth is so tiny compared to a star. And there are millions of stars in just one galaxy, and there are infinite galaxies in the whole universe. We are so small. How lucky we are to be blessed with life, in this great huge universe. We take it all for granted but this creation is so amazing, we can't even comprehend it. It is so arrogant to say that the universe is not divine. How can people consider the entire universe and believe it all happened by chance? That there was the big bang, and bam there was huge coincedince and all there is is just the physical world, and the universe is infinite and their is nothing beyond it and consciousness is just electrical impulses from the brain? Just to say the universe is infinite seems absolute proof of some divine entity. Infinity goes on forever, forever is a concept the human brain simply cannot grasp. And if the universe is finite, then what is beyond the universe? And if there is no God, then why do viruses exist? Sorry 'bout that. Once I get started, I can't seem to stop. rofl Nah, it's cool. I was interested to see what you woudl say, since you seem much more interested in science than I will ever be. I just get so agitated with people who refuse to acknowledge the proof of evolution because they're close minded and think it will disprove God. I mean, credit God with the great things he did, right? I also like the point TJF made. It's really the only way it makes sense, you know?
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:39 pm
I think it's ridiculous that anyone could think evolution disproves God. Just because I personally don't believe in it doesn't mean it can't be true. I've been wrong before (I hate to admit that xd ), and if we did evolve from something else, alright. Shows God's even more creative than we originally thought.
I just wanna know where Adam and Eve fit into the whole evolution thing. It's not like, "and then it evolved into Adam."
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:34 am
Quote: I think it's ridiculous that anyone could think evolution disproves God. Just because I personally don't believe in it doesn't mean it can't be true. I've been wrong before (I hate to admit that ), and if we did evolve from something else, alright. Shows God's even more creative than we originally thought. I just wanna know where Adam and Eve fit into the whole evolution thing. It's not like, "and then it evolved into Adam." Well, perhaps "Lucy" as scientists have so lovingly dubbed her, is actually an Eve. sweatdrop But maybe even not that, Adam and Eve could have been the first Homo Sapien Sapiens
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:45 am
Captain_Theoretical Well, perhaps "Lucy" as scientists have so lovingly dubbed her, is actually an Eve. sweatdrop But maybe even not that, Adam and Eve could have been the first Homo Sapien Sapiens Lucy? They found out now that her knee joint, the only part of her that would classify her as anything other than a chimpanzee, actually was found a considerable distance from the rest of her remains. And, considerring she was in a mass grave of sorts, I would find it hard to believe that her discovery is credible. I have to agree with thejesusfreak; Genesis says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The evolution theory is built on a house of cards. Or, for a more biblical metaphor, it is built upon the sand instead of the rock. First, they need the bing bang, which is physically impossible. To paraphrase the latest from a school science book, "The universe began as a minute particle containing near infinite mass that was contained in a space no larger than a period. It is even hypothesized that it was so small that it didn't even exist. That mass exploded." So, billions of years ago, nothing exploded. (now, any of you who have seen Dr. Kent Hovind's seminars on this probably recognize that) The sheer odds of everything make it impossible. Unless, of course, they claim that the universe billions and billions of years old. And, the process would take millions and millions of years. It seems like atheists in their pride are trying to remove God from the equation. I do agree that Inteligent Design should not be taught in schools, but I don't think that evolution should be claimed as fact either.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:42 am
Torrent Turran Captain_Theoretical Well, perhaps "Lucy" as scientists have so lovingly dubbed her, is actually an Eve. sweatdrop But maybe even not that, Adam and Eve could have been the first Homo Sapien Sapiens Lucy? They found out now that her knee joint, the only part of her that would classify her as anything other than a chimpanzee, actually was found a considerable distance from the rest of her remains. And, considerring she was in a mass grave of sorts, I would find it hard to believe that her discovery is credible. I have to agree with thejesusfreak; Genesis says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The evolution theory is built on a house of cards. Or, for a more biblical metaphor, it is built upon the sand instead of the rock. First, they need the bing bang, which is physically impossible. To paraphrase the latest from a school science book, "The universe began as a minute particle containing near infinite mass that was contained in a space no larger than a period. It is even hypothesized that it was so small that it didn't even exist. That mass exploded." So, billions of years ago, nothing exploded. (now, any of you who have seen Dr. Kent Hovind's seminars on this probably recognize that) The sheer odds of everything make it impossible. Unless, of course, they claim that the universe billions and billions of years old. And, the process would take millions and millions of years. It seems like atheists in their pride are trying to remove God from the equation. I do agree that Inteligent Design should not be taught in schools, but I don't think that evolution should be claimed as fact either. Amen brother(in Christ)!
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:50 am
My personal favorite is my youth minister's answer when we asked him where the dinosaurs fit in...
"Well, maybe God made the dinosaurs and he decided he didn't like 'em so he destoryed them and they're not in the Bible because man wasn't around yet to witness them.
Or maybe God just put dinosaur bones in the ground to confuse us. They never really exhisted, but he just stuck these huge bones in the dirt. I bet he's laughing at all the palientologists"
Hahahaha XD
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:37 pm
Quote: Lucy? They found out now that her knee joint, the only part of her that would classify her as anything other than a chimpanzee, actually was found a considerable distance from the rest of her remains. And, considerring she was in a mass grave of sorts, I would find it hard to believe that her discovery is credible. I have to agree with thejesusfreak; Genesis says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The evolution theory is built on a house of cards. Or, for a more biblical metaphor, it is built upon the sand instead of the rock. First, they need the bing bang, which is physically impossible. To paraphrase the latest from a school science book, "The universe began as a minute particle containing near infinite mass that was contained in a space no larger than a period. It is even hypothesized that it was so small that it didn't even exist. That mass exploded." So, billions of years ago, nothing exploded. (now, any of you who have seen Dr. Kent Hovind's seminars on this probably recognize that) The sheer odds of everything make it impossible. Unless, of course, they claim that the universe billions and billions of years old. And, the process would take millions and millions of years. It seems like atheists in their pride are trying to remove God from the equation. I do agree that Inteligent Design should not be taught in schools, but I don't think that evolution should be claimed as fact either. The only places I've heard "Lucy" was actually a chimpanzee were you, and another source trying to disprove evolution so I'm not sure either way. However, the evidence for creationism is much less than that for evolution. To discredit the big bang because it created a universe out of nothing is to in turn discredit creationism because it created a universe out nothing. I don't think creationism should be claimed as fact, so I guess we're at odds then. Evolution is taught in schools because it's widely agreed upon in the scientific community, and therefore it's science and it's taught in science class. I'm not an atheist, and I never tried to remove God from the equation. If God is in the equation, then the physical possibility or impossibility of the big bang is irrelevant. Without the existence of God, evolution is surely the answer, but with the existence of God on the side of creationism, creationism is surely the answer. But with the existence of God on both sides, it gets a little tricky.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:55 am
thelovelyLIZ My personal favorite is my youth minister's answer when we asked him where the dinosaurs fit in... "Well, maybe God made the dinosaurs and he decided he didn't like 'em so he destoryed them and they're not in the Bible because man wasn't around yet to witness them. Or maybe God just put dinosaur bones in the ground to confuse us. They never really exhisted, but he just stuck these huge bones in the dirt. I bet he's laughing at all the palientologists" Hahahaha XD You see, Kent Hovind explains the Dinosaurs problem. You also have the water/ice canopy theory, which explains where the floodwaters came from in Genesis. High atmospheric pressure, near hypoberic chamber like qualities, combined with a reduction in solar radiation allows for animals and plants to grow to the massive proportions that their fossils and remains show us. Dinosaurs are no more than overgrown lizards.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:33 pm
Torrent Turran thelovelyLIZ My personal favorite is my youth minister's answer when we asked him where the dinosaurs fit in... "Well, maybe God made the dinosaurs and he decided he didn't like 'em so he destoryed them and they're not in the Bible because man wasn't around yet to witness them. Or maybe God just put dinosaur bones in the ground to confuse us. They never really exhisted, but he just stuck these huge bones in the dirt. I bet he's laughing at all the palientologists" Hahahaha XD You see, Kent Hovind explains the Dinosaurs problem. You also have the water/ice canopy theory, which explains where the floodwaters came from in Genesis. High atmospheric pressure, near hypoberic chamber like qualities, combined with a reduction in solar radiation allows for animals and plants to grow to the massive proportions that their fossils and remains show us. Dinosaurs are no more than overgrown lizards. Interesting, I hadn't heard that theory before. I still like the thing about God just playing a joke on us though wink
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:44 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:53 pm
thelovelyLIZ Torrent Turran thelovelyLIZ My personal favorite is my youth minister's answer when we asked him where the dinosaurs fit in... "Well, maybe God made the dinosaurs and he decided he didn't like 'em so he destoryed them and they're not in the Bible because man wasn't around yet to witness them. Or maybe God just put dinosaur bones in the ground to confuse us. They never really exhisted, but he just stuck these huge bones in the dirt. I bet he's laughing at all the palientologists" Hahahaha XD You see, Kent Hovind explains the Dinosaurs problem. You also have the water/ice canopy theory, which explains where the floodwaters came from in Genesis. High atmospheric pressure, near hypoberic chamber like qualities, combined with a reduction in solar radiation allows for animals and plants to grow to the massive proportions that their fossils and remains show us. Dinosaurs are no more than overgrown lizards. Interesting, I hadn't heard that theory before. I still like the thing about God just playing a joke on us though wink It sounds like something He would do. He has quite the sense of humour. Like the time I stayed up all night working on a chemistry project, only to get to school (I'd had a ride) to find it was closed cuz it was a snow day. I just know God was laughing His head off.
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:59 pm
Quote: It sounds like something He would do. He has quite the sense of humour. Like the time I stayed up all night working on a chemistry project, only to get to school (I'd had a ride) to find it was closed cuz it was a snow day. I just know God was laughing His head off. Irony like that always kills me, but at the same time I'm incredibly grateful.
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