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 Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Explain to me the realtionship of Lionel and Jor-el. Can lionel just choose to be him or something happens. I was like "What the ********?"
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:14 pm
We'll what happened was that Jor-el went inside him to get to Clark. Now Lionel can't chose this. I think that since Lionel knew about Clark's powers Jor-el choose him, plus he was corrupted by krptonian junk and stuff.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:42 pm
At the end of season 4 (I think) Jor-El possessed Lionel for the first time and then seemed to become dormant. I don't think Lionel even knew he had been possessed. But he knows it now, pretty much ever since he started having mini spasms and writing kryptonian symbols down. I used to wonder if Lionel was Jor-El all the time and was just acting out Lionel's life, but we know that that was a very incorrect assumption. I'm looking forward to having Jor-El pay another visit in Lionel's body, probably in the very beginning of this next season.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:44 pm
Well there will be a BIG fight between him and Lex sense they are both vessels 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:12 pm
yup yup biggrin It's gonna be awesome. I hope they don't kill the actual Lionel in the process. He's growing on me.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:54 pm
ok ok ok. First no offense Faith but you have it wrong....in a sense.
The first time Lionel was posessed by Jor-el WAS NOT at the end of season 4. It was the begging of Season 3 in Mortal after he was sent to Clark to explain why he was brought back to life and the consequence of having him ressurected. But at the end of season 4 when Lionel had the stone in his pocket and the stone was calling out to Clark, it opened up Lionel's body to become the vessel for Jor-el. But Lionel was put into a Kryptonian Trance, or Coma if you will. During that coma Lionel was being "prepared" as was Lex when he was "abducted". Lionel does not get to choose when he becomes Jor-el, JOR-EL choose when he can posess Lionel. Lionel has no control over it. JOr-el only posesses Lionel when he needs to get a message through to Clark or needs to help Clark in some way. Such as in Oracle when Lionel says "Here, i wrote this message in my sleep" and it was a Kryptonian symbol for ZOd. It was a warning.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:29 pm
What about the end of "Vengenance".
"Thank you my son" if he was Jor-El couldn't he have blocked the shove?
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:33 am
He didn't say "thank you MY son" he said "Thank you son" its like have you ever been called "son" or "sonny" by an older person? its just an expression
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:34 am
`Chloe Sullivan` He didn't say "thank you MY son" he said "Thank you son" its like have you ever been called "son" or "sonny" by an older person? its just an expression i thought he was Jor-El at that time. W/e
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:21 pm
Ooooo, I get it now. i didnt understand that either. Now Chloe has cleared it up. razz
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:21 pm
Kiojin `Chloe Sullivan` He didn't say "thank you MY son" he said "Thank you son" its like have you ever been called "son" or "sonny" by an older person? its just an expression i thought he was Jor-El at that time. W/e no he wasn't. Because that was when Lionel was explaining that he knew Clark's secret and that he was having weird comas where he was gaining kryptonian knowledge
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:33 pm
`Chloe Sullivan` Kiojin `Chloe Sullivan` He didn't say "thank you MY son" he said "Thank you son" its like have you ever been called "son" or "sonny" by an older person? its just an expression i thought he was Jor-El at that time. W/e no he wasn't. Because that was when Lionel was explaining that he knew Clark's secret and that he was having weird comas where he was gaining kryptonian knowledge Noooo. That was when that girl who had a heart transplant was about to kill him. That's what were talking about.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:20 pm
`Chloe Sullivan` ok ok ok. First no offense Faith but you have it wrong....in a sense. The first time Lionel was posessed by Jor-el WAS NOT at the end of season 4. It was the begging of Season 3 in Mortal after he was sent to Clark to explain why he was brought back to life and the consequence of having him ressurected. But at the end of season 4 when Lionel had the stone in his pocket and the stone was calling out to Clark, it opened up Lionel's body to become the vessel for Jor-el. But Lionel was put into a Kryptonian Trance, or Coma if you will. During that coma Lionel was being "prepared" as was Lex when he was "abducted". Lionel does not get to choose when he becomes Jor-el, JOR-EL choose when he can posess Lionel. Lionel has no control over it. JOr-el only posesses Lionel when he needs to get a message through to Clark or needs to help Clark in some way. Such as in Oracle when Lionel says "Here, i wrote this message in my sleep" and it was a Kryptonian symbol for ZOd. It was a warning. ohhh, okay. see, even though there are only 5 seasons, i sometimes forget what happened in each of them. i get them mixed up sometimes. i did think that the first time that Jor-El possessed Lionel was when he went all crazy for the first time and started scratching things in the floor and had the white-eyed look, and then got put in the psych ward, etc. (That is the first time, right?). I guess that was the season 2 finale/beginning of season 3. No, wait, wasn't the end of season 2/beginning of season 3 where clark was on red K in Metropolis and Chloe started working for Lionel? I think so. So it would have been the end of season 3 then. okay. i think i've got it now. maybe.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:56 pm
Kiojin `Chloe Sullivan` Kiojin `Chloe Sullivan` He didn't say "thank you MY son" he said "Thank you son" its like have you ever been called "son" or "sonny" by an older person? its just an expression i thought he was Jor-El at that time. W/e no he wasn't. Because that was when Lionel was explaining that he knew Clark's secret and that he was having weird comas where he was gaining kryptonian knowledge Noooo. That was when that girl who had a heart transplant was about to kill him. That's what were talking about. Actually i was talking about in Mercy when he says that too. He calls him my son. Sorry wasn't paying attention to the VEngeance Part. Lionel was not actually "possessed" by Jor-el until he sat up out of the trance in Hidden. He was still in his "preparation" coma in Arrival when he was scrating into the floor
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:50 pm
`Chloe Sullivan` Kiojin `Chloe Sullivan` Kiojin `Chloe Sullivan` He didn't say "thank you MY son" he said "Thank you son" its like have you ever been called "son" or "sonny" by an older person? its just an expression i thought he was Jor-El at that time. W/e no he wasn't. Because that was when Lionel was explaining that he knew Clark's secret and that he was having weird comas where he was gaining kryptonian knowledge Noooo. That was when that girl who had a heart transplant was about to kill him. That's what were talking about. Actually i was talking about in Mercy when he says that too. He calls him my son. Sorry wasn't paying attention to the VEngeance Part. Lionel was not actually "possessed" by Jor-el until he sat up out of the trance in Hidden. He was still in his "preparation" coma in Arrival when he was scrating into the floor Oh i get it. I heart U
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