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TheDiabolicalShenanigan

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:08 am


im Baptist and my Family thought me reincarnation, but its not like you turn into an animal, its like you turn into another person after you spend some time in Heaven and when you want to go back, you'll tell God and he'd make you into another person. Also, ive been having strange dreams... of the future and the past, the past dreams was my last self and i was a German in WWII, fighting from 1944-1945, i know the date cause i reconized the places... i think it was Normandy and Battle of the Buldge... if yall want to know more about those dreams just tell me and ill create another thread. but id like some answers. thanks, God Bless.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:42 pm


i had another dream, this time, i was in uniform, and me, and two other German soldiers was in this beautiful field, there was an old house, some hills, and a lake, the guy next me was a big guy, we looked at the lake and we seen our buddy running toward the lake, he pulled off his gun and backpack, (the gun was a K98, ill try and put a link in for the rifle) and he just rolled around the sand next to the lake, me and the guy next to me were laughing, User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.

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Lithanus
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:26 pm


I'm not sure about the specifics, but I'm pretty sure the bible doesn't support reincarnation. This dreams you are having may be symbolic or have another purpose, or could very well just be your subconcious. Do you have a passion for the history of WWII?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:02 pm


Lithanus
I'm not sure about the specifics, but I'm pretty sure the bible doesn't support reincarnation. This dreams you are having may be symbolic or have another purpose, or could very well just be your subconcious. Do you have a passion for the history of WWII?

yea, really like it

TheDiabolicalShenanigan


Lithanus
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:03 am


Lt.Psycho
Lithanus
I'm not sure about the specifics, but I'm pretty sure the bible doesn't support reincarnation. This dreams you are having may be symbolic or have another purpose, or could very well just be your subconcious. Do you have a passion for the history of WWII?

yea, really like it
Something you might want to know is that if something often occupies your thoughts and actions it will leak into your dreams in one fashion or another.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:48 am


Yeah i'm going to have to go with Lithanus on this one I don't think reincarnation is real.

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Rinota Hashiko

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:47 pm


Same here. Reincarnation just seems kind of weird to me and I've never heard about it in the Bible. On top of that, why would someone want to go back to earth when they're already in heaven. Even if it were true I wouldn't want to do that. I mean, if you didn't remember your past life, what if you died without getting saved. Reincarnation just doesn't make much sense to me.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:28 pm


God can raise people from the dead and stuff, it does mention that in the bible but as far as reincarnation and coming back as someone else, I honestly don't know.

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Rokk Krinn

PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:09 pm


sorry, but reincarnation is not real. the bible does not support any type of beliefs on reincarnation. Jesus resurected people from the dead, but they were not reincarnated into another person or creature.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:52 pm


alright thanks guys, glad i got that cleared up

TheDiabolicalShenanigan


kikomimo727

PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:06 am


Reincarnation is not supported by the Bible. Did you have relatives in WWI or WWII? Once you die you stay in heaven. it is as simple as that.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:02 am


Well, seeing as how Christianity follows the teachings of Jesus, and Jesus followed the teachings of Buddha, and Buddisms main theme is peace, wellness, & reincarnation of the soul to achieve ultimate nirvana.

I follow a more Eastern Religion approach to life, I believe in reincarnation. Your may eventually go to an eternal resting place or "Heaven" if you will. But it is not everytime. Your soul is put forth on this earth into a living creature, whether it be a person, an animal, a plant, etc, when that physical manifestation dies, your soul ascends for a period of rest and rejuvenation and your enlightenment is evaluated. Then you after your rest you are sent back to earth, and the physical plane to learn more about life, the universe, and the enigma that is "God". And then after many incarnations, when you have finally reached an enlightened state and actually understand the workings of the divine (god) the flow of life. You are granted Nirvana, and are alloud to achieve your final resting place. In your religion it would be heaven, in Norse the great halls of Vallhalla, in Wiccan, the Summerlands, and so on.

Naomi Tinuveil


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:13 am


1 Thessalonians 4:17
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After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.


I don't think I can agree with the prospect of reincarnation. Verses such as this imply that our time in heaven is eternal. If reincarnation was the case, I doubt that Jesus would have neglected to mention it.

Naomi Tinuveil
Well, seeing as how Christianity follows the teachings of Jesus, and Jesus followed the teachings of Buddha, and Buddisms main theme is peace, wellness, & reincarnation of the soul to achieve ultimate nirvana.

I'm very interested on what you have to say about this... I've never heard anything of the like, so I'd love to hear your views on the subject.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:33 pm


Jeremiah 1:4–5
The 'Word' came to Jeremiah, and said "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." This verse has been used by Traditional Christians as evidence that God has foreknowledge of persons and events — that is not limited by time and space. Christians who believe in reincarnation may see this verse as evidence ability to "know" a person throughout a variety of reincarnated lifetimes.


Elijah became John the Baptist
Jewish priests were sent to ask John the Baptist, "Art thou Elijah?" (John, 1:21), which is seen as supporting the conception that Jewish priests believed in the theory of reincarnation. Christ said of John the Baptist "this is Elijah." (Matthew 11:14.) Later on, upon the Mount of Transfiguration, the Christ said, "Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed… Then the disciples understood that He spake unto them of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:12,13). This idea of reincarnation is perhaps a little different from the commonly viewed notion of what reincarnation means. In the second chapter of II Kings, Elijah does not die, but rather is called up into heaven while yet alive. Mainstream Christian opinion would interpret these passages as referring to the role that John played in the spiritual life of first-century Jews, rather than his personal identity being that of Elijah.

Actually, those passages refer not only to the 'role' that John played but also to the 'office', assignment, or the commission that he was given by God. In this regard, John was to serve the same purpose that Elijah served. Just as Elijah was considered instrumental in serving as a guide to lead the Israelites back to the worship that God required of his covenant people under the Law of Moses, so John was to act in a similar capacity, leading the first-century Jews to the Messiah. In this way John 'was' Elijah, as mentioned in Matthew's account of Jesus' statement at Matthew 11:14.


Matthew 5:25–26
"Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are on the way to court with him, or your accuser may hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison. 26Truly I tell you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny." Supporters of reincarnation might say that Jesus is referring to the cycle of death and rebirth that continues until all negative karma is met.


Matthew 11:14–15
Jesus is recorded as saying, "and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15Let anyone with ears listen!". Most traditional Christians prefer to interpret this verse only in a loose fashion to mean that John was only like Elijah. For those Christians who advocate a belief in reincarnation, this verse is interpreted more strictly as meaning exactly what it says, namely that John the Baptist is/was Elijah the prophet himself, which in this strictly interpreted context could only mean that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah. One related consideration that Christian advocates of reincarnation address concerning the fact that John 1:19–21 appears to contravene Matthew 11:14, denying that John the Baptist is/was Elijah reincarnated, this view ignoring the idea that John the Baptist did not know that he was Elijah. Christian advocates of reincarnation propose that this apparent Biblical contravention in John of what is stated in Matthew may have been a later editorial insertion by doctrinal purists. These types of corrective insertions in John, contravening the first three Gospels, appear to them to have also been added in many other instances within John as well, the gospel of John generally being agreed by Liberals adherent to Higher Criticism to have been written several years after Matthew.


Matthew 11:25–26
"At that time Jesus said, ‘I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and the intelligent and have revealed them to infants; 26 yes, Father, for such was your gracious will". Some supporters of reincarnation might say that that the infant has a knowledge of its spiritual nature and has not yet forgotten its past lives, because the ego, that which separates humans from God, has not yet formed.


Matthew 17:11–13
"He replied, ‘Elijah is indeed coming and will restore all things; 12but I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but they did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of Man is about to suffer at their hands.’ 13Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them about John the Baptist." Another reference by Jesus that equates John the Baptist with Elijah.


Matthew 26:52
"Then Jesus said to him [Peter], "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword". It seems fairly probable that Jesus knows that not everyone who kills another is murdered in this life; however, supporters of reincarnation might say that it refers to the negative karma such an individual incurs that has to be satisfied in another life.


Mark 9:11–13
"Then they asked him, ‘Why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?’ 12He said to them, ‘Elijah is indeed coming first to restore all things. How then is it written about the Son of Man, that he is to go through many sufferings and be treated with contempt? 13But I tell you that Elijah has come, and they did to him whatever they pleased, as it is written about him'." Supporters of reincarnation might take this passage to mean that the reincarnation of Elijah (i.e. John the Baptist) was beheaded. They might also say that Elijah had followers of Baal killed, so this might be an example of payment for negative karma.


Luke 1:17
"With the spirit and power of Elijah he [John the Baptist] will go before him, to turn the hearts of parents to their children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord'." Supporters of reincarnation might say that spirit and power is the definition of reincarnation: an individual's spirit, with all its developed abilities etc. (i.e. power), inhabits the body physical.


John 3:1–10
"Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. 2He came to Jesus by night and said to him, ‘Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do apart from the presence of God.’ 3Jesus answered him, ‘Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above.’ 4Nicodemus said to him, ‘How can anyone be born after having grown old? Can one enter a second time into the mother’s womb and be born?’ 5Jesus answered, ‘Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. 6What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Do not be astonished that I said to you, “You must be born from above.” 8The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.’ 9Nicodemus said to him, ‘How can these things be?’ 10Jesus answered him, ‘Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things?" According to the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, the Pharisees believed in the reincarnation of good souls. Supporters of reincarnation might say that Jesus is surprised that this leader of Pharisees seems ignorant of the process of reincarnation. They might also say that being born of water is possibly a reference to normal Earthly birth, and that being born of the spirit is a reference to virginal birth (being born from above); consequently, they might say that Jesus is implying that an individual must be developed (i.e. their souls through reincarnation) to the point whereupon virgin birth (being born from above) is possible, and then they would be purified enough to to go to Heaven. Supporters of reincarnation might also say that one grows to Heaven, rather than goes to Heaven.


John 9:1–3
The disciples observe a man who was born blind, and inquire of Jesus whether the man himself or his parents sinned, that he was born blind. Some interpret this question to imply that the man would have had some opportunity to sin prior to birth, which at least presupposes the pre-existence of the soul in a situation where there was free will and the ability to commit sin. Jesus replies that in this case neither the man nor his parents sinned, but he does not rebuke the disciples in any way for their belief that it would have been possible for the man to sin prior to birth. This can be and has been interpreted in many ways.


Galatians 6:7
"Whatever one sows, that he will also reap". Some feel that this agrees with the idea of enforced karma, a basic tenet of some other religions that hold the belief in reincarnation; however it also agrees with the concept of divine justice, and of each person being judged fairly, a central tenet of Christianity. The subsequent verses seem to imply that a certain amount of time may pass before a just person reaps their true reward: "at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up". However there is no indication that this time might span more than one lifetime. In any case, those who attempt to use this verse to prove that the Bible endorses the concept of karma suffer the same burden as those who attempt to use Hebrews 9:27 to disprove reincarnation. It is problematic because, by itself, it does not prove reincarnation and is only a single verse. The fact that it was written by the Apostle Paul, and not a saying of Jesus, may also influence Christians who give more weight to Jesus' teachings than to Paul's.

This information was from Wikipedia, but there's some information going against it also.

TheDiabolicalShenanigan


kairigirl321

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:22 pm


In a way it is true but not really. Ok so i believe that the way it could be true is that Jesus can heal the dead. and going into heaven is like reincarnation because yes you died but your spirit lives on and goes to another world. Whether its heaven or hell you live on. I do not beleive and neither does my church that we would come bac as an animal or another human being.
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