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I concur. =3 I'm from a line of lawyers, and the majority of my family practices law -- so I have the debating/arguing thing raging through the blood in my veins. This should bode as fun. VERY fun. twisted

Alright. Most of you know that I, Lizzie, am the rabid KakaSaku fan. Wanna know why? (Beware, SasuSaku fans -- this is a target mainly against YOU! =D)

First to note -- Kakashi always. . . oh, how to phrase this -- jumps in the way to save Sakura? You want instances? Well, of course I'm going to give them to you.

Episode 6. First instance, I do believe of any saving going on. (Though the first real KakaSaku action happened around Episode 5 when he put the genjutsu on her.) By the way, SasuSaku fans -- Episode 6 was, yeah, also in the same instance that Sasuke jumped in front of Sakura to keep the Mist nin from attacking her, but who made the real save with his arm to BOTH of them? Oh, yeah, that'd be Kakashi. Also, note the really HAPPY expression from Sakura after that at the fact that he's still alive and had saved her, and then Sasuke's rather pissed expression, and "Show off" comment. Hahahaha. XD Plus, earlier on when they're thinking badly about the Hokage and all, Kakashi puts a sweet hand on her head to reassure her that it was okay -- to make a mistake and all (to which she immediately calms down).

Episode 42 -- Alright, the famous Sakura and Ino battle for the preliminaries. Wooo~ Well, I know you probably all know this one, if you've seen it. Truthfully, it's the most Kakashi's talked in any anime episode -- ALL about Sakura. "I've never seen Sakura this good." And a bunch of other bragging stuffs on how good she's gotten. He's amazed with her. Sasuke hasn't even bothered to recognize her talent. Waaaaah! That's not very nice. >_> Anyway, big knock out, and Kakashi goes to the floor and picks her up in a sweet cradling of his arms. (Yeah, Asuma does it to Ino, as well, but do you see Asuma sporting the sweet smile that Kakashi is? I don't think so!) When Naruto uses his big mouth and yells at her to wake up, Kakashi says "HUSH!" And then he looks at her happily and says how he's happy he put her in the exam, because she'd really improved. WOOT!

Episode 68 -- the instance in which Orochimaru has taken Sandaime Hokage hostage -- remember this? Sakura's the only one (well, Shikamaru as well), that avoided the genjutsu trick, so she's hanging out in these bleachers with this group of knocked out kids all around her while the sand nins and leaf nins battle it out. All of a sudden you've got these two ninjas coming out of NOWHERE when she freaks out about Sasuke being gone (zomg), and who's there to jump in front of her and take out BOTH of them? Kakashiiii~ Then he has the heart (unlike Sasuke), to tell her to stay put so he can get rid of the enemies around. Aww, how sweet. <3 Ah, by the way. Notice how Sasuke's getting her into TROUBLE more than out of it? I mean -- she perks up all worried about him being gone after the Sand Siblings, and that was the reason the Sand nins attacked in the first place. Boy, I wouldn't wanna be so nuts over a guy that he almost gets me KILLED. Thank goodness for darling old Kakashi -- always there to save the day. <3

Episode 101 -- (Yeah, the famous Kakashi's mask filler.) I know this was a mini in the manga, and we go by that, but listen here. I watched it several times, and I finally found this upon watching it millions upon millions of times. When at the Ramen shop, Kakashi's pondering why they're doing this, and they hold up signs after his little "thoughts" on their schemes and yell "SUCCESS!" The first time, they're sitting, snow falls on him. Sasuke holds up the sign. Kanji writing -- "Success!" and two splotches above it. Second time, still sitting, the Ramen blows up in his face. Sasuke holds up the sign once more. "Success" and two splotches. THE THIRD TIME! He gets a boxing glove to the face, but when it pans to the group, Sakura's the one holding the sign, NOT SASUKE, and it still reads "Success." HOWEVER! The two splotches have now become HEARTS. Kakashi, Sakura, a sign that mysteriously changes the splotches to hearts. . . IT MAKES YOU WONDER.

EPISODE 108! This is one of my favorites, kiddies. Fight scene between Naruto and Sasuke on the hospital roof. Sakura runs out flailing her arms screaming stoppppp~ in slow motion. Yeah, we all know the story. Anyway. "CRAP!" "I CAN'T STOP!" All of a sudden. . . who's the one to break up the possible collision of the trio? KAKASHI! >w< Not only is he preventing Naruto and Sasuke from smacking the mess out of each other, but he's saving Sakura in the process. (Of course, we KakaSaku fans know that was THE ENTIRE purpose anyway, right? =3) Anyway, big old long talk about how you shouldn't use Chidori like that and stuff, then while Kakashi's pondering to himself -- SAKURA IS SOBBING HIS NAME. SHE NEEDS CONSOLATION! She's not sobbing NARUTO'S or precious SASUKE'S name -- oh, nooo~ It's "Kaka-sensei~" Then after he talks to Jiraiya, he jumps off his resting spot and tells her that everything is going to be perfectly fine. And she watches him jump off the building and secretly thanks him with forlorn eyes.

. . . You don't see Sasuke doing any of this stuff, do you?

In fact just in the next episode of 109, you see him being a MEAN MEAN BOYFRIEND and LEAVING THE VILLAGE! *Gasp* Not to mention while he did say "Thank you," he let her cry, then hit her to knock her out. What a jerk. >___>

Alright. Quite a jump now from 109 to 132 (though it's only been about 2 days in the storyline).

Episode 132 -- Sakura's worrying again. First thing in the episode, you see Kakashi freaking out at Tsunade about the rookies going to retrieve Sasuke, and while Sakura may be worried about Sasuke, she's also worried about Naruto, the others, and Lee. As soon as he leaves the Hokage's headquarters, she meets him at the gate, and starts freaking out in her own little way. To which Kakashi puts a sweet and caring hand on her shoulder telling her that it will all be okay and that he'll take care of it from now on. Okay, sweet, right? And he starts to walk away. Though, it makes you think on it all when she follows him to the gate and stares sadly at him as he prepares to leave. He looks over his shoulder to see her depressed face and says to himself that it's no use in telling her not to worry after what happened on the roof, and before he knows it, his ninken are howling for him, and he takes off. Sadly, with a hand to her face, she runs to the spot where he once was and speaks his name softly. My philosophy on all this? Everyone in the village has left her -- Naruto and the boys and Lee are gone on this mission, Sasuke has abandoned the village, basically, and now Kakashi, her last ray of hope is leaving her all to go on this stupid retrieval. Again -- seems to me like Sasuke is HURTING Sakura more than helping her. I mean, honestly -- tearing everyone away from her like that. Still, Episode 132 proves to be a great KakaSaku moment.

There are plenty of instances in the manga, I'm sure, that I've missed, but I'm going by the anime for the time being (partially because I need of sleep which I'm going to go get right now), so I'll do more research on it later on. When you SasuSaku fans come up with your reasons for your. . . "pairing" (just kidding XD), I'll show you GLADLY how those are wrong. *Laughs maniacally*

Wow, this is going to be fun, fun, indeed. Hope I gave this debate a good start! LET THE GAMES BEGIN!

EDIT: I figured I should put this here, since I had these intentions. What do I hope to accomplish from this? Converting SasuSaku fans to KakaSaku. Actually, if you're undecided or if you're a fan of other pairings (LeeSaku, NaruSaku, GaaSaku), I hope my debating gives some insight to which pairing seems best in your eyes. *Cough*KAKASAKU!*Cough* =D

SCORE! WE HAVE SOME ACTION! biggrin And thankfully, it's not BAD action either such as: "OMG, WTF, YOU LIE! SASUSAKU = OTP AND THAT IS IT!" Remedi is a true debater. 3nodding



I'm not an expert debater either. XD Don't worry -- I've only had just a few years on the debate teams and such. It's not like I practice it morning, noon, and night.

Disagreement is fine. That's what debating is all about. biggrin

Oh, and we respect your pairing as well. 3nodding . . . Just not as much as ours. XD



True. Though, while he did acknowledge her in those ways, during the tree climbing training they did, he wasn't very happy with the fact that she was better than him. While he might know it, and say it, I don't think he likes that fact very much since he wants to be the best of the best. Jealousy, perhaps? Not quite the best thing to have in a relationship -- that's all I'm saying. (And yeah, I know every relationship has its flaws, but if you're going to have one, at least respect their strengths, not wish you were better than they were.)


While he has physically saved her, his leave of the village, and other various actions are causing her to have a depression mentality-wise. That's what I mean, mostly, by the fact that he's more trouble than good. It's because of him (and Naruto) that she spent all of Episode 108 sulking around the place, not to mention running in the middle of their fight before *Victory music* Kakashi! comes to save the day. He causes her too much worry -- probably because of the fact that she knows who he's after (Itachi), who's after him (Orochimaru), and also the fact that goes along with that -- that he couldn't stand a chance against either of them.


Ah -- but at least Kakashi admitted that what he did during the bell exercise was a bit too harsh ("Maybe I over did it a little, but she's gonna have to see through these things."). Sasuke seemed to leave the village without remorse or admitting that what he was doing was tearing up Sakura inside. Though he did ponder all those things before the Sound Four came, it was Kakashi who instilled those thoughts in his head. If it hadn't been for him, Sasuke would have probably left with the Sound Four out of his current rage for Naruto's technique being so strong, Kakashi breaking up their fight, and Sakura making an attempt to break it up.

Why knock her out if he could simply disappear and make a quick breakaway from there? He is the great Uchiha, after all. While she might panic, I don't think she would set off after him upon not seeing where he went off to. Sakura's not so stupid as to go off into the woods alone. Besides, she wouldn't know where to go since she didn't know where he was headed in the first place, so I don't think she would have pursued him even if he did do a little disappearing act.


If you're going to run away from the village, especially after the entire village knew that Orochimaru had picked you out and Kakashi had given you the whole "don't do revenge" talk, I think you're going to be pursued, because you're dangerous with that curse seal mess, not to mention, you have Konoha's secrets -- rogue ninja? I think Konoha would try and track him down and bring him back as a first priority -- for the reason that they don't want their secrets to get out. Rather them prevent something from happening and take action immediately, right?

And, that's my view on it. XD

Man, I love debates. heart

Alright -- to Cherrihana's post. Since you are right -- what I saw in the majority of your reply was about "not being romantic scenes" and what not.

And I'm replying to this in my own post, because making that quoting on quoting junk was HARD. (I hate BBC coding. >__>)

Here's my say on it. Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura are all the same age. Kakashi is twenty-six. Now this is the only time I will use the age difference as a bad thing -- but not in my eyes.

If Kishimoto made a romantic scene in Naruto (which is gauged towards kids/teens -- or age groups of that relevance) between Kakashi and Sakura (a 14 year age difference -- preteen and adult), do you think he might get sued? People WOULD take it into the wrong account, and he would be charged with all sorts of stuff because parents saw their children watching some outrageous junk. But, anything can happen in anime I guess, however, it's probably not likely in Naruto. It's just. . . you don't see any openly gay couples in Naruto, or anything out of the ordinary in that sort. This would be one of those cases.

Plus, I'm not saying that Kakashi and Sakura would be my OTP choice for their ages in the anime (12 and 26). Sorry, but that /is/ ***** -- especially if they got involved into anything heavily, but little crushes on teachers -- that's okay, that's CUTE. Want a bad example of that relationship, and why I think Kishimoto might be shot for it? Read Lolita by Nabokov, if you haven't already. He got um. . . lots of crap for writing it, but I will admit, you'll see the pairing in a whole new light. It's how I started to like KakaSaku, after all.

Instead, I would think of them as romantic during their later years -- when Sakura becomes an adult, and it's not taboo anymore because she's old enough, she's considered of age, and she can do as she pleases (hell, Jiraiya goes after all the fresh eighteen year olds, I'm sure, why can't Kakashi have her?) I think later on, it's highly plausible for them to end up together. Now, it's a bit "ionoooo~" but still, that's what fangirls are all about, right? XD

A true debater? TwT *feels special*

And I'm going to do the quote thing....because I'm bored. XD *shot*



*thumbs up* Same for this side! XD



True. VERY true. I think that Sasuke wanting to be better than everybody else is just to reassure himself. The boy strives power. I know that if I was better at everyone at everything, then I'd consider myself 'powerful' too. However, I don't think that Sasuke wanting to be better than everybody would affect a relationship. Even if she had better chakra control than he did, I think Sasuke understands that he's stronger than her. I don't think that jealousy would be a big deal when it comes to SasuSaku.



Well, it's Sakura's choice to worry about him like that. And yes, she WAS depressed after he left. It goes to show how much she cares for Sasuke. Like Cherri, one of the reasons why KakaSaku isn't my favorite pairing, is because in such a relationship, Sakura seems to always be the 'damsel in distress.' With all the worry and pain that Sasuke is giving her, he's helping her to grow. It was all because of SASUKE that she chose to train under Tsunade, and become the strong girl she is in Part 2. "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger right?" If all Kakashi does is assure Sakura that everything is okay, she'll become dependent. It's good that he's there to support her, but has he really ever focused stricktly on her, training-wise? Not so much. On the hand, Sasuke's rejections and making troublesome situations are teaching her that in order for everything to 'be okay,' she needs to do something about it herself. Whether Sasuke means it or not, he's pushing Sakura foreward.



You have a good point. He could have just dissapeared. However, if he would have dissapeared without knocking her out, what would Sakura have done? Pursued him? Probably not. But I'm pretty sure she would have gone to find Naruto or Kakashi for help. This is only a theory, but Sasuke probably knocked her out in order to save time for him to get away.

And I believe that Sasuke did have remorse for Sakura, and I think he would admit that he broke her heart. Or maybe not. However, he did THANK her. It's pretty safe to assume that he was thanking her for loving him, and for being there for him, despite his a*****e attitude, because her (along with Naruto and Kakashi) gave him a sense of family, which is something he didn't have. I hate to bring up the databook, but it states that the person who 'filled his emptiness' was Sakura. Not Team 7, Not Naruto. SAKURA. And he thanked her for it. So he did appreciate what she did for him.



And I REALLY REALLY hate to bring age into this. >__> But he's twelve. Would he really think of that?

And if he did, why would being pursued stop him? He was determined to get to Orochimaru, and whoever chased him didn't matter, be it his best friend, or an ANBU squad. Also, at the time, Konoha was in bad shape because of the Sand/Sound attack. They didn't have the ninja to pursue him (and that leads to Shikamaru and the team of Genin, blah BLAH xD You know the story.).

And it still doesn't change the fact that Sasuke didn't WANT to be followed. >>;

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And to your recent posts!



I really agree with this. xD And it's a reason why I don't say things like "KakaSaku will NEVER happen." ...though it is unlikely. I see SasuSaku as having more potential, and that's why I support them.

To anybody who wants to bash KakaSaku because of a mere 14 age difference, then I'd like to express my opinion that that is NOT a good reason. o-o And if you're gonna bash KakaSasu for that too, then just EFF YOU.

xD Whoo, post is done! And I love how this debating is so friendly. >3 <3

*sighs* D: Really. xD They are probably in the NaruSaku guild, taking quotes from the people in the SasuSaku guild, and debating in their own debate thread........Okay, so I have no clue. x.x

BAH!

Okay, I have to continue this discussion -- but not now. It's 6 in the morning where I am, and I HAVE to get some sleep. T__T But, yeah, I'll be back. 3nodding heart

I'll let you wait to edit it. I've had to have cavities filled before, and I know that it sucks. x_x I hope you feel better! gonk heart