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Captain Wingo

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:51 am



Naughty or Nice...?


The admins and higher level mods need to be kicked in the arse and told to get a grip! The Admins are too trigger happy with their Perma-bans!! There has been a mass attack on Gold Botters on Gaia and as a result anybody who has botted gold is being perma-banned. No problem you say? I say there is! Look at this example:

Person 1 owns a mini-shop selling art
Person 2 is a gold botter wanting art
Person 1 sells art for 5k
Person 2 sends a trade for 5k of botted gold to Person 1
Person 1 accepts trade, not knowing that it is botted gold plus having no way to know
Person 2 get caught for botting and perma-banned
Person 1 gets perma-banned because they have profitted from the botting


See the problem now? There are countless innocent Gaians being banned!! There is one, called Plexi_Lexi who helps questers by selling expensive items for 1k and other charatable actions. Some of her items were payed for with botted gold and she has lost her account! There was no reason to perma-ban her or any other person in similar situations! THEY have done nothing wrong. It isn't THEIR fault they recieved botted gold!

There are plenty of other examples. A person had their account hacked and their account was used to transfer stolen items from another hacked account to the hacker's account. The person who's account was used to transfer the items got her account banned, even though they did nothing wrong!

Another example is my own plight. As some of you know I had my old account banned. What happened was someone donated to Gaia for me. it was an unknown person. I recieved the letters and sold them towards my quest. A few months later it turns up that the letters were donated for fraudulently! My account gets banned! Even though I didn't do anything, i'm not guilty but I still get punished. I freely offered the profits to be taken out of the account but they wouldn't do it, the perma-ban stayed.

There are plenty of examples like this out in Gaia. The Admins are using the perma-ban feature too much. There need to be guidlines put in place to protect innocent people from loosing their accounts, items and, more importantly, the history related tot hat account. The admins are out of control, we as the community of Gaia need to do something to keep our leaders in check! I know this is a global community but I do believe most users come from democratic countries, countries that have a right to control their leaders powers. We need to instill this idea into Gaia and bring the creators/leaders/law makers of this site in check. Please, post your thoughts/support/objections/corrections.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:13 am



I agree, sounds reasonable.
But still, it would suck to be a mod, because how do you know they're telling the truth?

And what's botting gold?
D:
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Doom Cakes


Lost Prince

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:46 am


    [[.I understand that it's unfair, but it's the admins' way of making sure that the guilty are banned even if the innocent are to.
    in the end, we technically get no say in it due to the fact that we do not run Gaia and the admins could easily shut Gaia down if they wanted.
    Then again, without us Gaia would be nothing, but it's not as if the admins experience a massive loss from this, either.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:12 pm



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Cakes - Botting is when you use a programto make posts for you or an auto refresher to make gold. basically it is any form of making gold without you being in front of the computer.

Prince - I know there are some situations where it may be very hard to tell if somone is innocent, like in my case xp . But how is it fair to ban someone because they unknowingly accepted a trade of botted gold? This is one case where innocent people are being banned and it could quite easily be avoided and have a better way to deal with the botted gold. This process is going to cause a huge crash in the economy of Gaia if it goes on too long. Think of it, one botter can go to the market place and buy 10 items from 10 people, he then goes and donated to 10 guilds and buys from 10 different minishops. Well there is 20 people banned, 10 minishops that will then close, 10 less people to trade on the market place and possibly 10 guilds closed. Now if one person could do that, imagine what 100 can do?A thousand?


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Captain Wingo


Hyperpolysyllabic

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:35 pm


This is why I accept trades from strangers with a seperate account. My heart goes out to you, wingo. This s**t is wrong and I'd love to do something about it. I'm open to suggestions.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:48 pm


I suggest we three destroy them!

Bogus_Burger
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Lost Prince

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:39 pm


    [[.Actually, you're not banned if you accept botted gold via anything apart from actual trading since you have a say in trading, so your only valid example is your minishops, or instead of your marketplace thing, we could have the exchange as an example.
    thing is, providing that there is some evidence that it wasn't a donation, the admins will sooner un-perma-ban you. the whole theory is silly with the guilty till proved otherwise innocent, but they think it works and we honestly have no say.
    if it was a donation, they ramble about how you ought to suspect a random donation making them sound so dreadfully senile, but in the end, they'll try to do something about it.
    all we can do is feel helpless, quite pissed off, and hope that the admins will do what's right.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:34 am


Ultimately, we don't really get much of a say in the matter. Gaia has what? Over 500 000 members? I've been an admin for a board with just 350 members, and was lucky that most people were well behaved because it's time consuming to review things on a case by case basis.

Though, it might be a good idea to have a bunch of admins that one could launch a formal appeal to.

evilwildlex


Captain Wingo

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:05 pm



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Prince - I had no say if I recieved those letters, but I still got banned. I tried talking to Ling, but in her eyes I'm the one who made the donation and i'm guilty no matter what. It's rediculous! The same goes for the botted gold. Because the account "has profitted from gold produced in questionable ways" the account/guild gets banned, it does not matter if you have a say or not.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:19 pm


.'[ emo Poor Lexi. I was hoping to get one of those 1k letters off her. D<]'.

Take Me Out


Doom Cakes

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:45 am



Oh, odd.

D:

I didn't know you could even bot gold.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:23 pm


.|| lolol, Pants.

Take Me Out


[Polaroid]

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:37 pm


I joined Gaia at the exact moment (I think, even, to the day on my original account) they started cracking down on botters. Of course, I was very internet stupid back then and was like 'botters what *headexplodes*'. It truly sucks what happened but the admins are just trying to keep the peace and it's nearly impossible to differentiate between truths and lies on the internet because there's no emotions or facial gestures to betray them. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. *shrug*
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:08 pm


MUHAHAHAHAHA!!! I'M BACK!!!!! By a turn of luck my girlfriend started talking to an admin this morning. She told her my story, so the admin said. "I believe you, I'll take 900k worth of stuff out of the account to balance the value of the frauded letters sold and unban it" I HAVE MY ORIGINAL ACCOUNT!!!!

For those who are COMPLETELY confused, this is Wingo, on my original account. For the story of what happened, look at the second last paragraph of the first post.

Now back to the story. For those who just read that paragraph, you would have noticed I offered for Ling to take the profits a year and a half ago, but she wouldn't because she believed I was guilty of the fraud. Now this new admin (still have to get her name off of Coco) has done exactly what I asked of ling. It cost my a Coco and Winged Anklets to get my account back, but I can always buy them again. As luck has it, I have saved enough over the course of my ban to get the anklets back!!!

From now on, there is going to be TWICE the Wingo!! Look out BB!!!

=The.One.With.Wings=


Bogus_Burger
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:11 pm


Congrats Wingo. We should have a mule battle!
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