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 Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:45 pm
i dont mean to sound negative, but ive notice the rules for most tournments when sparring alienate my style alot, we train using grabs and sweeps, but as ive noticed with many tournenmts that those things are against the rules. its almost like you have to train two different ways for people in my dojo. does anyone else have any problems like that?
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:19 pm
demon -eyes- kyo i dont mean to sound negative, but ive notice the rules for most tournments when sparring alienate my style alot, we train using grabs and sweeps, but as ive noticed with many tournenmts that those things are against the rules. its almost like you have to train two different ways for people in my dojo. does anyone else have any problems like that? We don't spar like Karate ok Tae Kwon Do in Wing Chun I have seen a few schools use pads but we don't I am trying to cange that sparring with pads alows you to do alot more than just trying to pull your punches or not hit hard. I took Tae Kwon Do and when I first sparred I didn't understand the rules I was in 5th grade and I just wanted to fight I beat the one I was sparring up into a wall and I lost do to points I didn't understand point sparring later I quit. I do not like point sparring as Karate and Tae Kwon Do normaly do things. No head contact and stuff like that is bull I train for real fights not sport and that gives me a disadvantage in these things. This is also why you wont see many Wing Chun schools enter a competition. I have also seen some realy slopy fighting at competitions people throwing tons of kicks at eachother just to get points and no one is even trying to block. If some one came at me in a fight kicking at me like that I would have them on the ground in an instant. I feel alot of schools are teaching to much sports bull and not enough of what real fighting is throwing a bunch of kicks at some one is not a good idea and as you have said they limit what you can do so you are only training yourself to fight like that. If I was to compete I would have to limit my self alot and that just seems dumb to me I can't grab throw or strike to the head I am not used to these limitations and I think its dumb to try to.
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Wolf Nightshade Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:39 pm
I sometimes just spar not point spar but put on gear and spar with some one.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:50 pm
Wolf3001 demon -eyes- kyo i dont mean to sound negative, but ive notice the rules for most tournments when sparring alienate my style alot, we train using grabs and sweeps, but as ive noticed with many tournenmts that those things are against the rules. its almost like you have to train two different ways for people in my dojo. does anyone else have any problems like that? We don't spar like Karate ok Tae Kwon Do in Wing Chun I have seen a few schools use pads but we don't I am trying to cange that sparring with pads alows you to do alot more than just trying to pull your punches or not hit hard. I took Tae Kwon Do and when I first sparred I didn't understand the rules I was in 5th grade and I just wanted to fight I beat the one I was sparring up into a wall and I lost do to points I didn't understand point sparring later I quit. I do not like point sparring as Karate and Tae Kwon Do normaly do things. No head contact and stuff like that is bull I train for real fights not sport and that gives me a disadvantage in these things. This is also why you wont see many Wing Chun schools enter a competition. I have also seen some realy slopy fighting at competitions people throwing tons of kicks at eachother just to get points and no one is even trying to block. If some one came at me in a fight kicking at me like that I would have them on the ground in an instant. I feel alot of schools are teaching to much sports bull and not enough of what real fighting is throwing a bunch of kicks at some one is not a good idea and as you have said they limit what you can do so you are only training yourself to fight like that. If I was to compete I would have to limit my self alot and that just seems dumb to me I can't grab throw or strike to the head I am not used to these limitations and I think its dumb to try to. ok sorry i didnt read the whole thing im not into reading, but ya thats the same problem my whole dojo has with sparring, we train as if we were actually being threatened on the street so no one has entered a sparring tournement for more than 4 years now, but we spar with each other , only rules we have are try not to hit the face, no groin strikes, and hold power down to 80% so no one gets hurt to badly
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:26 pm
Yeah in tournament sparring you can like sweep people or hold up there leg when they kick, well you can but only for a split second. And we also have a few rules when we fight in my do-jang No groin strikes and try not to hit people in the face. But we can use 100% of our power.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:35 am
What I don't like about tournament fighting is that most of the people are like, *tappy* "Hah, I got a point" But in shorin-ryu karate, our style is based on one hit, one kill, not this tappy tappy crap that would get your butt served to you in the real world.
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Wolf Nightshade Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:49 pm
You fight as hard and as good as you train it's important to stay safe but it's also just as important to fight hard and as good as you posibly can wile your in the security of your school. I got some face gaurds so it's ok to hit to the face the groin can be protected to so these kind of things will alow you to realy go at it and not get injured to bad. Theres an old saying Quote: Cry in the Dojo laugh on the battlefield. If you intend to learn to fight to protect yourself and survive a real attack you must be willing to take some hits and learn to deal with the pain. I have been hit in th nose and kicked in the ribs at full force without pads and that was just in the class room. In my life I have had my head repeatedly slamed into a brick wall I have been hit with a bat and all sorts of other things. Most people never go through that sort of thing some may never get into a real fight thats why you got to put yourself through it in the class room. Be hard on yourself and laugh when you get into this sort of thing you must be ready for any thing that could happen.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:28 pm
In my school we train for life or death type situations. We spar hard and learn all kinds of stuff that would be illegal in a tournament. Depending on what tournament we are going to, sometimes we have to take extra time to train within the rules of the tournament. It sucks not to be able to use half of what you know though.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:34 pm
My TKD academy used three kinds of sparring.
In general sparring we would spar for about a few minutes, switch opponents, and then spar again for another few minutes. There were no points granted in this type of sparring. We just kept at it until the instructors told us to stop. Low attacks and attacking the back wasn't allowed, but we were allowed to go for head punches.
In tournament sparring we had a point system. Low attacks and back attacks weren't allowed as usual. Surprisingly though, we could get points from head punches as well as punches to the body.
The third kind of sparring we had was almost exclusive for black belt testing. I'll refer to it as gauntlet sparring. Anybody that was testing for any degree in black belt had to take it as part of their test. The usual setup was that the tester would have to spar a gauntlet of 12 black belts of varying degrees and levels. What do I mean by that? I'm saying that you could be facing a first degree senior black belt at first, but then face a second degree probationary the next. Anyway, each round would last about five minutes, which would amount to about an hour since 12 black belts + 5 minutes each equals an hour. No breaks in between. No point system. Usual rules apply. I went through it once, but when I was testing for my first degree decided level I became part of the gauntlet. If there were more than 12 black belts in a gauntlet than the time to face each one may be reduced.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:55 pm
I feel sparring needs to be more or less no holds bared for it to realy show how well you can fight. It seems to me like most people hop around then come at each other trowing tons of kicks and things without any real technique just trying to score points and then they go back to there corners. Most people I have seen don't realy try to block or any thing if a guy came kicking at me like some of these guys do he would be on the mat looking up as I stomped him in the throat.
It drives me nuts how I have seen people spar no one is going to limit there techniques in a real fight and no one is going to back off. I no things need to be safe but martial arts are geting soft boxers and other groops like that don't play it that safe and they are just as deadly as any other fighting art if used for it.
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Wolf Nightshade Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:38 pm
Wolf3001 I feel sparring needs to be more or less no holds bared for it to realy show how well you can fight. It seems to me like most people hop around then come at each other trowing tons of kicks and things without any real technique just trying to score points and then they go back to there corners. Most people I have seen don't realy try to block or any thing if a guy came kicking at me like some of these guys do he would be on the mat looking up as I stomped him in the throat. It drives me nuts how I have seen people spar no one is going to limit there techniques in a real fight and no one is going to back off. I no things need to be safe but martial arts are geting soft boxers and other groops like that don't play it that safe and they are just as deadly as any other fighting art if used for it. Yea... which is why it's fun for me and my friends to do full-contact sparring (minus head and neck). It's fun to suck it up and kick some a** once in a while, or get your a** kicked! I also like experimenting with shinais and fencing masks for anything goes swordfighting. My friend and I even created shields out of packing materials to simulate viking duels.... destroyable shields. Of course, this is the reason my favorite shinai has duct tape on it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:49 am
I think that point sparring is ridiculous,
Iny my High school we have a Martial arts club, which is cool because you train with people who use different styles.
But then there is my best friend Tyler,
He is horrible at the point sparring matches we have because he does Aikido,
Which is all about grapels and joint manipulation.
Point sparring is a biased sparring idea.
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:00 pm
kungfudangergirl In my school we train for life or death type situations. We spar hard and learn all kinds of stuff that would be illegal in a tournament. Depending on what tournament we are going to, sometimes we have to take extra time to train within the rules of the tournament. It sucks not to be able to use half of what you know though. thats what im talking about, we are taught if they leave a kick out to long grab it take control and drop them, and like ive seen alot of people with their back in lead in trounements, and i just wanna meet em and make em pee blood for a while (kidneys)
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:33 pm
That show Final Fu is just like that there are Karate and Tae Kwon Do people but wheres the rest of the martial arts world. I don't like how its been set up for kicking styles and crap. From what I have seen of the show those guys look good but when it comes down to a real fight I don't think they could handel it.
That show is geard twords one way of fighting I was hoping to see some other arts like Wing Chun, Jujutsu, Muay Thai I guess I was hopeing for to much out of this. Final Fu just sounds to much like Final Fool they need a new name like People who can kick wile in the air but can't block when fighting.
I don't know how other people fill about the martial artists on the show but I feel that they are more or less just a showy sport geared groop than real fighters. That show to me is some what insulting the way they have it set up so you got to be good at kicking. I didn't like Tae Kwon Do for sevral reasons and my kicking ability was one of them.
Kicking low is more efective than high kicks I can side kick or round house some one in the head and I know the axe kick to the collar bone but I would rather kick in there knee or a good round house to the floating ribs.
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Wolf Nightshade Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:10 pm
Wolf3001 That show Final Fu is just like that there are Karate and Tae Kwon Do people but wheres the rest of the martial arts world. I don't like how its been set up for kicking styles and crap. From what I have seen of the show those guys look good but when it comes down to a real fight I don't think they could handel it. That show is geard twords one way of fighting I was hoping to see some other arts like Wing Chun, Jujutsu, Muay Thai I guess I was hopeing for to much out of this. Final Fu just sounds to much like Final Fool they need a new name like People who can kick wile in the air but can't block when fighting. I don't know how other people fill about the martial artists on the show but I feel that they are more or less just a showy sport geared groop than real fighters. That show to me is some what insulting the way they have it set up so you got to be good at kicking. I didn't like Tae Kwon Do for sevral reasons and my kicking ability was one of them. Kicking low is more efective than high kicks I can side kick or round house some one in the head and I know the axe kick to the collar bone but I would rather kick in there knee or a good round house to the floating ribs. ya i noticed that all but like 3 were TKD too, and another thing i noticed while watching the show(off topic) that they sawed through the boards, and the sum times filled it in with carpenters putty. but ya theres a guy on it that may do a style derived from my own, the shorei ryu guy, i noticed his style isnt quite as fancy as any one else's a bit more practical
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