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Guitarhero356

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:31 am


In celtic mythology three was a sacred number representing the earth the sky and the sea all believed to be in a blessed union. Now in more modern day times you have the father the son and the holy ghost, or as I think of the ghost, the holy mother. Noone has yet to prove me wrong on that one.

With the norse Gods Tyr scarifices his head so that the wolf Fenrir may be bound. Modern day, Christ died on the cross. The sacrifice of one for others is clearly apparent there and is repeated in Celticism and the bible.

Now, think about this, In the book of Abraham in the pearl of great price, which is LDS religious text it very clearly gives the story of genesis from a different point of view although it clearly says GODS about every verse.

Even in the bible it says LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE, indicating plural entities.

Now, what do you all think about that?

In addition, let's take Hercules for example. Born of the Gods but half mortal half God. Jesus was half spirit half man. Things do get blown out of proportion over time. The aquarian gospel from the akashic records talks about Jesus searching for those that know of the Triune God. The God that is in everything and is the God of love. Jesus also talks with some Buddhists in there as well.

Now, studying other religions, and other belief systems I have come to terms with something. And I know a lot of you guys are going to get defensive and not like what I have to say. But I cannot see how the bible can be the only truthful book of scriptures out there. Especially since the Q'uran lines up wth the old testament. If you are familiar with Genesis and somewhat with the story of the Q'uran then you would see that.


The Aquarian Gospel covers the missing 18 years of Jesus's life in the old testament.

The apocryphal text is worth reading but you should only do so if you are enlightened by the spirit, it says that in the D and C section either 81 or 91, i'm pretty sure 81.

The book of mormon talks about what Jesus did after he was ressurrected and briefly came down to earth after the three days he was dead. Second coming is still yet to come though. I mean, the guy does have a lot of worlds to visit.

The pearl of great price teaches us that there are several Gods. But since I know some of you folk will get a bit too defensive about that, I also know a reference for that in the bible.

1rst Corinthians, chapter 8, verses 4-6.

And one more thing. If practicing magick and being bi-sexual is against God's plan, then explain this. Being honest with myself about my sexuality has brought me closer to the holy breath otherwise reffered to as the holy spirit. Magick can be used for either ood or evil and you do not have to worship other Gods to practice it. Other deities exist yes. But those deities are not for us to worship, you can work with them as you can with ANY spirit, but they are not for worship. There a few however that you should never trust.. Lilith being one of them. Yes, Lilith is mentioned in the bible, Isaiah 34:14. It doesn't say Lilith in all versions though, therefore proving that bible has indeed been edited.


All this spiritual searching has led me to accept so much more than waht I though I would have, which is a good thing since I used to be bit too zealous over my beliefs.

As for past lives, some people do not believe in them, but you cannot call yourself a follower of God and not believe in past lives to some degree. Think about it, a past life is one that you do not remember or you remember small bits and fragments. What do you think the pre-existence was?

It's not even about religion or finding God for me anymore and even denominations are completely pointless to me now. I already found God. I already know how to spot truth. So it is now something much more glorious for me. I have my eyes opened and shall soon be in much greater contact with the spirit world.

Say that's evil if you want but try to define evil. Evil is like roack and roll music. There are so many different definitions and styles that everyone has their own definition which is their own and is no more or less important than another persons taste.


~Guitarhero356

~Discuss

~ Why you find true the beliefs that you follow.
~ Why or why not you think the bible has been edited.
~ Why or why not you believe in and practice magick or do not.
~ Why or why not you believe in the spirit world or not.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:34 am


Universal Truths.

1. you reap what you sow/Kharma or Dharma/The golden rule/Newtons third law.

That rule I think is one of the most important to remember. IT stays true in all belief systems for the most part. Proving it's validity.

~Discuss

~What version of that rule you follow and why.

Guitarhero356


Guitarhero356

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:37 am


Universal Law number 2

2.Give a little bit of everything you get.

Some call that tithing, some call it bribomg Kharma. some call it doing a good deed, but if you have ever given selflessly chances are you know how good it feels, almost as good as sex. Which is why I deem that as a universal law, though some might not.

~Discuss

~Whether or not you share what you get and why or why not
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:41 am


Ok, the summary is this for those who chose not to read the posts and discussion points. Discuss what universla laws you believe in or dont and why. Discuss what you believe and why. In this attempt I am trying to get a better understanding of everyone in the guild.


Universal law number three.


1.Love is the highest law.

Basically whatever you do if you don't do it with the spirit of love whether it be friendship, just listenming/caring, or just screwing, do it with love or the intent of love.

~Discuss

~ Why or why not you agree with that law and pretty much the same sort of discussion that the other three points have.

Guitarhero356


DragonSkies

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:42 am


Guitarhero356


Which is why as soon Cradoc gets back I shall be leaving this guild. After all this growth a guild full of folk yet to experience this marvelous eye opener for themselves would be most likely to not understand my beliefs and then attack them through ignorance.

~Guitarhero356


Please do not classify people when you know nothing about them , their lives, or their beliefs.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:43 am


MomoSakouyo-chan
Guitarhero356


Which is why as soon Cradoc gets back I shall be leaving this guild. After all this growth a guild full of folk yet to experience this marvelous eye opener for themselves would be most likely to not understand my beliefs and then attack them through ignorance.

~Guitarhero356

quote]

Please do not classify people when you know nothing about them , their lives, or their beliefs.
oh..... That wasn't meant for you guys, I copied and pasted the first post, you have to understand that I first posted this in a guild with conservative christians and had already got in quite a few arguements with them and did know how they thought. I took that paragraph out. I don't mean to classify, i am just trying to get people to discuss why they do what they do on a deeper basis than just saying how it feels right.

Guitarhero356


DragonSkies

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:51 am


Guitarhero356
MomoSakouyo-chan
Guitarhero356


Which is why as soon Cradoc gets back I shall be leaving this guild. After all this growth a guild full of folk yet to experience this marvelous eye opener for themselves would be most likely to not understand my beliefs and then attack them through ignorance.

~Guitarhero356

quote]

Please do not classify people when you know nothing about them , their lives, or their beliefs.
oh..... That wasn't meant for you guys, I copied and pasted the first post, you have to understand that I first posted this in a guild with conservative christians and had already got in quite a few arguements with them and did know how they thought. I took that paragraph out. I don't mean to classify, i am just trying to get people to discuss why they do what they do on a deeper basis than just saying how it feels right.


Thank You smile In answer to your questions (discussion topics?)

~ Why you find true the beliefs that you follow.

Because they are not controlled, moderated, censored, or in any way changed or controlled by any. Because, well, (cheesy though it sounds cheese_whine ) I just simply know that they are true.

~ Why or why not you think the bible has been edited.

Of course. I believe it was based off of some true facts, but it was a man who wrote this. Men are definetely capable of twisting or adding onto the truth. And I think they definately did that with the bible.

~ Why or why not you believe in and practice magick or do not.

A practice magick because it is something interesting to me, and I think man was supposed to practice 'magick'. I could launch into a very long, hypothetical discussion of my beliefs, but I'll shorten it to this: I think the universe was created by a manipuletion of matter. I believe magick to be a manipulation of matter. So therefor I believe that humans are more than entitled to use that natural skill.

~ Why or why not you believe in the spirit world or not.

Yes I believe in a spirit world. I think it is blatant ignorance to think our world is the only world out there, and that all other worlds would be like ours.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:13 am


MomoSakouyo-chan
Guitarhero356
MomoSakouyo-chan
Guitarhero356


Which is why as soon Cradoc gets back I shall be leaving this guild. After all this growth a guild full of folk yet to experience this marvelous eye opener for themselves would be most likely to not understand my beliefs and then attack them through ignorance.

~Guitarhero356

quote]

Please do not classify people when you know nothing about them , their lives, or their beliefs.
oh..... That wasn't meant for you guys, I copied and pasted the first post, you have to understand that I first posted this in a guild with conservative christians and had already got in quite a few arguements with them and did know how they thought. I took that paragraph out. I don't mean to classify, i am just trying to get people to discuss why they do what they do on a deeper basis than just saying how it feels right.


Thank You smile In answer to your questions (discussion topics?)

~ Why you find true the beliefs that you follow.

Because they are not controlled, moderated, censored, or in any way changed or controlled by any. Because, well, (cheesy though it sounds cheese_whine ) I just simply know that they are true.

~ Why or why not you think the bible has been edited.

Of course. I believe it was based off of some true facts, but it was a man who wrote this. Men are definetely capable of twisting or adding onto the truth. And I think they definately did that with the bible.

~ Why or why not you believe in and practice magick or do not.

A practice magick because it is something interesting to me, and I think man was supposed to practice 'magick'. I could launch into a very long, hypothetical discussion of my beliefs, but I'll shorten it to this: I think the universe was created by a manipuletion of matter. I believe magick to be a manipulation of matter. So therefor I believe that humans are more than entitled to use that natural skill.

~ Why or why not you believe in the spirit world or not.

Yes I believe in a spirit world. I think it is blatant ignorance to think our world is the only world out there, and that all other worlds would be like ours.
I agree with you there on censorship, you should'nt censor the truth.

Guitarhero356


ReverbRaven

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:16 am


What you have to say isn't new knowledge either. The parallels between various religions have been studied and pondered for a long time, and the bible is mistranslated anyhow....

Also, the reference you talk about in genesis, with "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE" and the reference to god(s) is not in every translation of the bible, and i'm not sure whether or not it was in the original hebrew scriptures. I too discovered that and thought i had found something marvelous, but as i went from bible to bible comparing translations, i found that that point is in relatively few of them.

The parallel between genesis and the Koran is obvious because Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic faiths and each one is based on the one(s) before it.

The themes found in the teachings of modern day religions go all the way back to ancient paganism (which isn't anything really like most paganism today [sorry to any pagans in here, i am one too]). You can trace the evolution of religion through watching the common paths of traveling throughout the world in earlier times, through migrations and trade routes. each place a religion traveled to would develop a slightly different spin, and thus we get all the religions of today. It is perfectly understandable that there would be parrallels between them all, they were all influenced by one another in development, and even are the same stories with different names and slightly different twists.

I suppose that is why i love religion so much, because I love the thrill of discovering a new link for myself and finding something different and then discovering where that difference came from. You also have to look in climate and seasonal changes to understand religion, because that had a lot to do with how they worshipped as well. It's a fascinating practice.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:55 pm


~ Why you find true the beliefs that you follow.

I personally follow Christianity. The reason I find my beliefs true is because I've done intense research. While I was researching I stumbled upon a book titled Worldview Apologetix. What it does is defend the Christian Worldview with a number of topics. First there is Creation, the two main theories are Intelligent Design and Darwin's Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory. But the Big Bang Theory suggests that the Universe has been compressing and expanding forever. But it also states in Physics that it is impossible to regress backwards on an infinite level, thus proving it wrong. It had to start SOMEWHERE, but if it ended here, then it could be any religion's game, right? Wrong, think for a second, why do we have morals? Why do we know what's right and wrong? Why do we think that charity is good and murder is bad, Somebody had to give us a Moral law to follow, and no one can tell anyone else what's right and wrong without being perfect... The only explanation would be a God, but if there were more than one, then there would be conflicting moral views and the Gods could not live at peace with each other, no matter what they had dominion over. There is more... But I don't feel like typing it all...

~ Why or why not you think the bible has been edited.

It may have been edited... But it is still historically accurate and without contradiction. Enough said.

~ Why or why not you believe in and practice magick or do not.

I do not personally practice magick... But I do believe that it exists, I believe it exists because I have witnessed it on many occasions. It was one of those I won't believe it unless I see it things.

~ Why or why not you believe in the spirit world or not.

It would be idiotic to not believe in a spirit world. Even science proposes that this isn't the only universe and that there are things beyond our comprehension, and the spirit world is one of those Universes.

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Guitarhero356

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:21 am


Well, check that out! I made a thread bringing up good conversation!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:54 am


Guitarhero356
Well, check that out! I made a thread bringing up good conversation!


*gives you a cookie* biggrin

DragonSkies


Starlock

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:31 am


~ Why you find true the beliefs that you follow.

Speaking broadly, any person follows the beliefs they do because it is consistent with their life experiences and has aided them on their life's journeys. I am no different. My beliefs are shaped by what I see around me as is the case with all other organisms with self-awareness.

~ Why or why not you think the bible has been edited.

The Bible (yes, you should capitalize that) has for a fact been edited ifyou're reading anything other than the original manuscript in its original language. Translations always loose something. Always. Putting that aside, it was undoubtedly "edited" through its oral transmission as it was (or so as I understand it) not written down initially. Now, if you mean "edited" with some specific intent behind it... there is no way to prove or disprove that so I cannot say.

~ Why or why not you believe in and practice magick or do not.

This depends entirely on what you mean by magic. Yes... without the K (the misspelling annoys me unless you're posting an info article on the internet where the spelling change makes google searching easier). On magic, you could say my stance is precisely the same as it is with deity or anything else nonfalsifiable. Agnostic. However, while I do not believe any objective proofs or knowledge is possible, I DO value personal subjective experiences which have lead me towards Agnostic Theism rather than Agnostic Atheism. Therefore, I believe in magic not neccesarily because I think one can know for sure it is "real" but because I choose to believe.

~ Why or why not you believe in the spirit world or not.

Same story as above. Fundamentally agnostic and ever a skeptic on any sort of claims, but I choose to believe. To me the real key with such beliefs is CONSEQUENCES of the belief, not the belief itself.

1. you reap what you sow/Kharma or Dharma/The golden rule/Newtons third law. That rule I think is one of the most important to remember. IT stays true in all belief systems for the most part. Proving it's validity.

~Discuss
~What version of that rule you follow and why.


This law and it's variations is basically a scientific fact, which is why it stays true in all belief systems. Cause and effect. Actions have consequences. It is also common sense. Generally I simply acknowledge cause and effect (though not in a linear sense... what I really should say is that I acknowledge causeS and effectS for it is never simply 1-to-1). As far as adding an ethic to it, I find that to be a seperate issue from this. I wouldn't lump in ideas of causality with moral ethics like the Golden Rule. They're not the same as one is an ethic and the other is a simple observation.

2.Give a little bit of everything you get. Some call that tithing, some call it bribomg Kharma. some call it doing a good deed, but if you have ever given selflessly chances are you know how good it feels, almost as good as sex. Which is why I deem that as a universal law, though some might not.

~Discuss
~Whether or not you share what you get and why or why not/


It is debatable whether any act is truly unselfish. Every action in some way benefits the self. Whether or not it was intentially modivated to benefit the self is another question, though. Even if you do not want to, you give back to the Earth your waste products which are used by other organisms to survive. So I guess I see this as well as more of a scientific fact. Heh.

1.Love is the highest law. Basically whatever you do if you don't do it with the spirit of love whether it be friendship, just listenming/caring, or just screwing, do it with love or the intent of love.

~Discuss
~ Why or why not you agree with that law and pretty much the same sort of discussion that the other three points have.


I would not use the word 'love' here. It is far too ambiguous of a word with many definitions and can be especially problematic when people confuse love with lust. Instead I would say "actions without malevolent intent or intent to harm" which would be in the line of Golden Rules and such. I wouldn't call it the highest law by far. The highest laws are physical laws which govern the workings of the universe regardless of human existence.

A final random point, I am not a believer in "universal" laws. Because no matter how "universal" you claim a law is, this law is observed from the biased standpoint of human beings and can in no way claim to truly describe the universe as it truly is. Descriptions are NOT the object being described... they are descriptions. So any law inherently has bias as it is a description, not the thing it describes. Confusing? Maybe I'll elaborate later if need be.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:43 am


Starlock
~ Why you find true the beliefs that you follow.

Speaking broadly, any person follows the beliefs they do because it is consistent with their life experiences and has aided them on their life's journeys. I am no different. My beliefs are shaped by what I see around me as is the case with all other organisms with self-awareness.

~ Why or why not you think the bible has been edited.

The Bible (yes, you should capitalize that) has for a fact been edited ifyou're reading anything other than the original manuscript in its original language. Translations always loose something. Always. Putting that aside, it was undoubtedly "edited" through its oral transmission as it was (or so as I understand it) not written down initially. Now, if you mean "edited" with some specific intent behind it... there is no way to prove or disprove that so I cannot say.

~ Why or why not you believe in and practice magick or do not.

This depends entirely on what you mean by magic. Yes... without the K (the misspelling annoys me unless you're posting an info article on the internet where the spelling change makes google searching easier). On magic, you could say my stance is precisely the same as it is with deity or anything else nonfalsifiable. Agnostic. However, while I do not believe any objective proofs or knowledge is possible, I DO value personal subjective experiences which have lead me towards Agnostic Theism rather than Agnostic Atheism. Therefore, I believe in magic not neccesarily because I think one can know for sure it is "real" but because I choose to believe.

~ Why or why not you believe in the spirit world or not.

Same story as above. Fundamentally agnostic and ever a skeptic on any sort of claims, but I choose to believe. To me the real key with such beliefs is CONSEQUENCES of the belief, not the belief itself.

1. you reap what you sow/Kharma or Dharma/The golden rule/Newtons third law. That rule I think is one of the most important to remember. IT stays true in all belief systems for the most part. Proving it's validity.

~Discuss
~What version of that rule you follow and why.


This law and it's variations is basically a scientific fact, which is why it stays true in all belief systems. Cause and effect. Actions have consequences. It is also common sense. Generally I simply acknowledge cause and effect (though not in a linear sense... what I really should say is that I acknowledge causeS and effectS for it is never simply 1-to-1). As far as adding an ethic to it, I find that to be a seperate issue from this. I wouldn't lump in ideas of causality with moral ethics like the Golden Rule. They're not the same as one is an ethic and the other is a simple observation.

2.Give a little bit of everything you get. Some call that tithing, some call it bribomg Kharma. some call it doing a good deed, but if you have ever given selflessly chances are you know how good it feels, almost as good as sex. Which is why I deem that as a universal law, though some might not.

~Discuss
~Whether or not you share what you get and why or why not/


It is debatable whether any act is truly unselfish. Every action in some way benefits the self. Whether or not it was intentially modivated to benefit the self is another question, though. Even if you do not want to, you give back to the Earth your waste products which are used by other organisms to survive. So I guess I see this as well as more of a scientific fact. Heh.

1.Love is the highest law. Basically whatever you do if you don't do it with the spirit of love whether it be friendship, just listenming/caring, or just screwing, do it with love or the intent of love.

~Discuss
~ Why or why not you agree with that law and pretty much the same sort of discussion that the other three points have.


I would not use the word 'love' here. It is far too ambiguous of a word with many definitions and can be especially problematic when people confuse love with lust. Instead I would say "actions without malevolent intent or intent to harm" which would be in the line of Golden Rules and such. I wouldn't call it the highest law by far. The highest laws are physical laws which govern the workings of the universe regardless of human existence.

A final random point, I am not a believer in "universal" laws. Because no matter how "universal" you claim a law is, this law is observed from the biased standpoint of human beings and can in no way claim to truly describe the universe as it truly is. Descriptions are NOT the object being described... they are descriptions. So any law inherently has bias as it is a description, not the thing it describes. Confusing? Maybe I'll elaborate later if need be.
Well, I personally define an unselfish or seflless act as any action that you do not expect a reward for.

Guitarhero356

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