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Kaporie

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:16 pm


Yeah my dad is making me go to a doctor to see if he can make me strate. Do you think it will work. I figure it could, because well strate people turn gay...so why wouldnt it work both ways, ya know?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:20 pm


No, straight people don't "turn gay" and you can't "turn straight".

Although you're probably going to hate me, tell your dad after one session of whatever you're doing that you like girls(or guys, if you are a girl) and are now straight.

I'm sure that some people will disagree heavily with me on this, but if you don't pretend to act straight since your dad is going to such lengths right now, you may end up being abused, such as electro-shock therapy. Which is not fun.

If it ever gets to that point however, I suggest you call authorities and tell them you're being abused, but then again, that could make things worse.

Don't know what to say, really, I'm only 16 and... Haven't really gone through this situation.

[Q]

Elder


Kaporie

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:29 pm


I dont think he would do that, and yeah you can turn gay or strate. You think I was always gay...um actualy you would have no clue sweatdrop sorry. Well I wasnt always gay.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:34 pm


Kaporie
Yeah my dad is making me go to a doctor to see if he can make me strate. Do you think it will work. I figure it could, because well strate people turn gay...so why wouldnt it work both ways, ya know?
I really doubt it. People who are simply heterosexual don't turn gay, and vice versa. You can't really be forced to become attracted to anything, unless you were attracted to it to begin with.

A medical doctor probably wouldn't be too great at doing this anyway, since sexual orientation appears to be more a mental tendency. That is not to say it is a disorder or "curable", but it is ingrained in your mind. Don't do any of it just for your father, it's not his life to live. Personally, I don't suggest it at all, but if you're going to try it, no one can really stop you.

If they even suggest electric shock therapy, or any other torturous "treatment," I suggest you run and tell someone you can trust (preferrably an adult who isn't homophobic) or even the authorities immediately.

Keithing
Crew


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:43 pm


Kaporie
Well I wasnt always gay.
Do you mean you were really attracted to the opposite sex at one point? Or did you simply not identify as being gay? There's a big difference.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:49 pm


Keithing
A medical doctor probably wouldn't be too great at doing this anyway, since sexual orientation appears to be more a mental tendency. That is not to say it is a disorder or "curable", but it is ingrained in your mind.
I also heard somewhere that the chemicals in the head are involved o.O'' Does anybody know if this is true? Or can give me more info about it?

Damian Myrddin


Montigo Dominic

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:13 pm


there is literal reaserch done on this subject, i have to look in my book, but from what I remember, it is a genetic thing, ergo, it is something that is always with you even if you think you are supposed to like girls and you check them out for that reason alone, then it still means you are. i still check out some girls, but i wan't that interested in guys when i was younger, it is a gradual realization, not an overnight thing.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:03 pm


Many psychologists believe that all humans naturally have the capacity to be attracted to both sexes, and that the whole issue with "sexual orientation" is a cultural construction.

The fact that your father wants you to deny part of what you are is grotesque.

People can't "turn gay." People can't "turn straight." However, a multitude of other misinterpreted scenarios can take place. I don't know which one occured with you.

Astri
Crew


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:37 pm


Damian Myrddin
Keithing
A medical doctor probably wouldn't be too great at doing this anyway, since sexual orientation appears to be more a mental tendency. That is not to say it is a disorder or "curable", but it is ingrained in your mind.
I also heard somewhere that the chemicals in the head are involved o.O'' Does anybody know if this is true? Or can give me more info about it?
Brain chemistry isn't something that can't be changed permanently thorough conventional means. Usually it involves trauma or other extreme and undue stress to the nervous system, which is one of the basic reasonings behind electrical shock therapy. Studies have shown physical differences in comparing homosexuals with heterosexuals (bisexuals don't seem to recieve much attention), particularly in specific areas of the brain, however biochemical makeup has not, to the best of my knowledge, been tested. Many ideas have been proposed (including varying hormonal imbalances, trauma before/during/after birth, etc.), but many of them aren't viable for testing. ...As in, not many people would allow or want to subject human fetuses and infants to experimentation.

***

Electric shock therapy is simple and terribly crude. Professional practitioners (ironic word choice) of it of different sexual orientations and the variable gender identities as being a disorder that can be corrected by associating the "undesirable" idea (same-sex attraction, transgenderism, etc.) with pain by shocking them when they show signs of a mental and/or sexual response to images. It's thought to "reset" or "reprogram" the brain to a specific mode of thinking, though there is no evidence whatsoever that it actually works.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:52 pm


Astri
Many psychologists believe that all humans naturally have the capacity to be attracted to both sexes, and that the whole issue with "sexual orientation" is a cultural construction.
Cultural construction. It's funny how these terms keep on popping up in my life (see: Anthropology; race as a cultural construction). I use my identification as being "gay," not as a loyalty to a specific group that I identify as being part of, but as a part of a shifting identity. Since most things now run on a spectrum or even on two and three-dimensional planes, it best describes where I am from a personal perspective, and is not an absolute.

However, even with the knowledge that perhaps somewhere out there is a girl that I could possibly be attracted to, it doesn't change the fact that I haven't seen this person or that all the people I have been attracted to are male. Therefore, calling myself bisexual would be an even more inaccurate description, as the frequency of attraction isn't even remotely close. xp

(These lengthy posts are why I use to stick around the ED so much...)

Keithing
Crew


TuffGhost
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:53 pm


You've got two choices: Go and subject yourself to whatever it is they're going to do to you, or try to explain to your father that it can't be changed.

People don't "turn gay/straight". You say you have, though, so maybe I'm just stupid and missing something.

Electro-shock therapy should never be considered. stare
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:24 am


Catspaw
You've got two choices: Go and subject yourself to whatever it is they're going to do to you, or try to explain to your father that it can't be changed.

People don't "turn gay/straight". You say you have, though, so maybe I'm just stupid and missing something.

Electro-shock therapy should never be considered. stare


i agree with both Q and Cats...

with cats...he's right, electro-shock therapy _should never_ be considered. it's just wrong and an ancient form of almost torture that shouldn't even enter into a doctor or psychologist/psychiatrist mind. it just shouldn't be done.

but Q's right in saying that, if your dad is this, well, crazy with trying to turn you straight maybe you should try to surpress your natural urges (god, how i hate saying that) until you can get out of there and really be yourself.

good luck, hun *hugs* heart

lolibakaneko


[Q]

Elder

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:15 am


Well, my dad is also homophobic, but not to an extent where he takes me to a psychologist to turn me straight.

So basically I just act straight around my parents, and then if I have affiliations with those of the same sex, I keep it where my parents won't find out, and if the said same sex individual wants to come over, I make note to tell them my parents are homophobes and not to 'act gay' around them.

The reason why I say parents instead of just your father is because if your mom doesn't mind, but sees you acting gay, she might(and probably will) tell you father, or unexpectantly bring it up in conversation.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:09 pm


Keithing
Kaporie
Well I wasnt always gay.
Do you mean you were really attracted to the opposite sex at one point? Or did you simply not identify as being gay? There's a big difference.


yes I was atracted to girls.

Kaporie


Nusumi

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:42 pm


Kaporie
Keithing
Kaporie
Well I wasnt always gay.
Do you mean you were really attracted to the opposite sex at one point? Or did you simply not identify as being gay? There's a big difference.


yes I was atracted to girls.

Maybe you're bi, and confused yourself to think you're gay when you realised you were attracted to guys? Or it could just be that gradual realisation someone was talking about. You probly liked girls 'cause it was the norm.
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