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Wolf Nightshade
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:31 pm


www.iganinja.jp

http://gojapan.about.com/cs/chuburegion4/a/ninja.htm

http://www.geocities.com/azuchiwind/iga.htm

http://www.warriorquest.com/historicalties.html

Tensho Iga No Ran was a battle in the Iga region that had a lot to do with Ninja Koga is also one of the areas where ninjas lived.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:53 am


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Aiki-Hooligan

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:04 am


Wolf3001
www.iganinja.jp

http://gojapan.about.com/cs/chuburegion4/a/ninja.htm

http://www.geocities.com/azuchiwind/iga.htm

http://www.warriorquest.com/historicalties.html

Tensho Iga No Ran was a battle in the Iga region that had a lot to do with Ninja Koga is also one of the areas where ninjas lived.


I was always told there was no such thing as Koga ninja at all anymore. No schools or nothing. Some even say Koga was totally made up. is this true?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:00 pm


Aiki-Hooligan
Wolf3001
www.iganinja.jp

http://gojapan.about.com/cs/chuburegion4/a/ninja.htm

http://www.geocities.com/azuchiwind/iga.htm

http://www.warriorquest.com/historicalties.html

Tensho Iga No Ran was a battle in the Iga region that had a lot to do with Ninja Koga is also one of the areas where ninjas lived.


I was always told there was no such thing as Koga ninja at all anymore. No schools or nothing. Some even say Koga was totally made up. is this true?


It would be hard for me to say but Koga and Iga were as far as I have ever read real ninja groops. The first thing that people need to understand is that most ninja were comoners who were millitary people from these regions farmers moutan monks and Ronin. It is said that these groops were linked to chinese who left china all of this is unreliable info no one knows the whole truth. Ninjas were very smart they didn't go around acting like ninja they didn't talk about it and they used superstition to scare people. There are no real records of ninja assassinating people at least not that I have ever found but they did exist and in a farly large number.

I would say that it is posible that the Ainu people of japan have a conection to ninjas but thats just something that I have been wondering for a wile. http://www.ainu-museum.or.jp/english/english.html I may be way off but ninjas have alway seemed to be closer to nature and the Ainu are very much like our Native Americans.

As for what happend to the ninja clans they wernt needed some became japans police and secret government agents others may have mixed what they new with other martial arts it has been thought that some martial arts groops have conections with the ninja clans. The knowledge was not needed and therefore no one passed it on. Due to the ninja craze during the 80s every a** who knew Karate or any thing started saying they were taught by some unkown master this secret ninja bull. This lead to more crapy movies and a lot of books by Ashida Kim who is full of it to by the way.

The only groops I trust are Dr. Masaki Hatsumi and these ninja museums in Japan. It is not a matter of do people teach true ninjutsu but rather do there schools actualy have any real historical conection to them. Masaki Hatsumi I feel knows alot and I think that is about as close as your going to get. To tell you the truth they only did a few things that no one else ever did some of there tools were different and thay didn't fight the same way as most at the time but from what I know its all based off japanese and chinese martial arts.

Wolf Nightshade
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Lord_Quortez

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:44 pm


ok maybe i can clear some of this up for you. i train under the to-shin do school led my stephen k. hayes. personal student to the grandmaster masaaki hatsumi. the ninja were hated by many of the samurai so most document were distroyed. there have been reports of both groups though. iga near present day tokyo, and koga near hokkaido. there are document supporting other groups though such as the kuki family who were actually pirates to start out with. they later became ninja and developed the kukishenden ryu style. if there are any other questions please feel free to ask me.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:56 pm


You just pointed out something I hadent added yet there was at least one ninja groop who were pirates thats something few people know about. I have much respect for Stephen K. Hayes it was one of his books that realy got me into ninja related things and I must say I feel there groop is the most reliable sorce for info on ninjas.

Wolf Nightshade
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Son of Nirvana

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:22 pm


The Ninja weren't always used as spies and terrorists, They were mostly just a sect of highly trained martial artists until about the Edo period when the governement hired them due to their elite skills.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:26 pm


There is alot of info about who they were but it's hard to say as I have said there is some reason to believe that some of the mountain monks helped train some of the local people and there is good reason to think some of the ronin ran off to these areas of Japan. How they started to work in the way they did is one thing you probably will never find there are stories of famous ninjas but how much of it's true. There may have been some chinese connection witch has been debated alot.

I figured I would add this.

Iga Province (伊賀国; -no kuni) was an old province of Japan in the area that is today western Mie prefecture. Iga bordered on Ise, Omi, Yamato, and Yamashiro provinces.

The Iga province of Japan is particularly famous for its clan of ninja, its most notable member being Hattori Hanzō. Both the Iga and Koga provinces are considered the birthplace of ninjutsu. It was also the birthplace of haiku poet Matsuo Basho.

The Iga region is a small mountain ringed basin (the Ueno basin) in the center of Japan's Kinki region, on the island of Honshu. Iga province was rather inaccessible due to extremely poor road conditions. Iga is close to Nara and Kyoto and easily accessible from Tokyo, Nagoya, and Osaka.

Today, much of the history of Iga province can be viewed at various sightseeing locations scattered throughout Mie. The castle town of the province was at Ueno.

Wolf Nightshade
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Wolf Nightshade
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:28 pm


Hattori Hanzo

Hattori Hanzō (服部半蔵), also known as Masanari and as Masashige, was the son of a certain Hattori Yasunaga. Born a vassal of the Matsudaira (later Tokugawa) clan, Hanzo, who would earn the nickname Devil Hanzō, served Tokugawa Ieyasu loyally and usefully. His nickname was not only to pay homage to his skills but also to distinguish him from another Tokugawa ninja, Watanabe Hanzō. Hattori, who fought his first battle at the age of 16, went on to serve at the battles of Anegawa (1570) and Mikatagahara (1572), but his most valuable contribution came in 1582, following Oda Nobunaga's death.

At that time, Ieyasu and his retainers had been staying near Osaka and learned of the assassination only just in time to avoid being detained by Akechi Mitsuhide's troops. But they were not safe yet. Mikawa was still a long way away, and Akechi's men would be combing the roads for them. At this point, Hanzō suggested that they take a route through Iga Province, as he had ties with the samurai there. In addition, Ieyasu had sheltered survivors from Nobunaga's bloody invasion of that province in 1580 and those who knew of this would certainly be well disposed to offer assistance. Honda Tadakatsu sent Hanzō on ahead, and, as hoped, the Iga men agreed not only to guide them along back roads, but also to provide them with an escort. At length, Ieyasu and his band returned to Mikawa safely. The same could not be said for Anayama Beisetsu, a recent Tokugawa addition who had insisted on taking a different route.

Hanzō was succeded by his son, Masanari, who would be given the title Iwami-no-Kami and whose men would act as the guards of Edo Castle. Hanzō's reputation as a ninja leader who commanded a 200-man strong unit of Iga men has grown to legendary proportions.

To this day, artifacts of Hanzo's legacy remain; the Hanzo-mon subway line in Tokyo is named after him.

Detailed biography of Hattori Hanzo
Hanzō in Fiction

Hattori Hanzō is very widely depicted in games as an especially powerful and important ninja. In Kill Bill he appears as the maker of the best swords in the world.

In addition, Hanzō frequently appears in jidaigeki. Actor Shin'ichi (Sonny) Chiba played the role in the television series Kage no Gundan. Many films, specials and series on the life and times of Tokugawa Ieyasu depict the events detailed above. He is also featured prominently in SNK Playmore's video game series: Samurai Shodown.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:31 pm


http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~NW6E-MTMR/japan/hero_historical3_e.htm

Wolf Nightshade
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Wolf Nightshade
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:37 pm


Not realy what any one should know but why not.
http://ninjustice.blogspot.com/2005/12/famous-ninja-assassinations.html
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:01 am


The Ninja Ryuha

I will add some of the schools that I have found names for. These schools are said to be connected with or were part of ninja schools.

Togakure Ryu

Koto Ryu

Gyokko Ryu

Kumogakure Ryu

Gyokushin Ryu

Gikan Ryu

Negishi Ryu

Shirai Ryu

Shinto Ryu

Hakuun Ryu

koshu Ryu

Kishu Ryu

Gen Ryu

Gen jitsu Ryu

Ryumon Ryu

Tentonhappo Ryu

Gotonjuppo Ryu

Kurama ryu

Yasuda Ryu

Iga Ryu

Koga Ryu

Pg 21 The Way Of The Ninja
By Hatsumi

Wolf Nightshade
Vice Captain


Wolf Nightshade
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:17 am


History

Because ninja rarely left anything in writing or boasted of their achievements, the history of the ninja is mostly apocryphal and blatantly legendary, so the great majority of stories circulating about them are difficult to prove.

Historical examples of ninja are said to include Minamoto no Yoshitsune, who employed surprise as a major weapon in his victories. He is said in a popular folktale to have been educated by a tengu to learn tactics and became a ninja.

One of the earliest roots of ninja, Togakure Ryū, reportedly originated in the late Heian Period. Iga and Kōga are two of the most famous ninja styles, and are often pitted against each other in fiction. Some also say that they were allies and worked together in mutual defense pacts. Both of these claim that they originated in the Heian period.

Only a few records remain from the Kamakura period. Kusunoki Masashige used tactics against enemies that remotely resemble ninja tactics. From the Muromachi period there are even fewer records. Both of these times were generally peaceful, and many battles had tournament-like aspects that prevented surprise attacks. Somewhere in these time periods, bushido began to form as the proper and honorable way a samurai must follow. It would be well into the Edo period that bushido was finally formalized.

In the Sengoku Period, also known as the Warring States period, ninja supposedly flourished. Almost all famous daimyō are said by modern ninja schools to have had ninja, or a ninja-like group under his control and they served as eyes and ears. Some daimyō were reportedly ninja themselves. The clan of Sanada, the most famous member being Sanada Yukimura, was reportedly a ninja clan. This is attributed to the successful defense of their castle with approximately 3,000 soldiers against an overwhelming force of 50,000 led by Tokugawa Hidetada. Their tactics, which are said to have included splitting their house in two, one each supporting Toyotomi and Tokugawa in order to survive no matter which side finally won, has been the subject of much legendary discussion. Later, they would come to be called Sanada Jū Yushi, lit. Ten heroes under Sanada, in tales where they used ninja skills to defeat everything but their jealous wives (who were, of course, ninja themselves).

Tokugawa Ieyasu was claimed to have used ninja, controlling both Iga and Koga in unifying Japan and ultimately rising to the rank of Shogun. In his dramatic escape through the mountainous landscape of Nara after Oda's assassination, Iga ninja led by Hattori Hanzō allegedly helped Ieyasu escape, gaining his favor. The last battle where ninja reportedly fought is in the Siege of Shimabara under the Tokugawa shogunate. As the shogunate became stable, ninja were effectively unemployed. Some were said to have become Oniwabanshū, a semi-secret group of bodyguards and intelligence officers who worked tending gardens of the Edo castle and eavesdropping on the daimyō. A purported ninja master Fujibayashi Sabuji wrote Bansenshukai (万川集海) as a collection of ninja knowledge. Yet the stories go that most knowledge was still passed on through oral tradition and training, as most ninja believed that their services would soon be needed again. The peace of the Edo period continued for over 200 years.

In the Edo period, ninja became popular heroes in books and plays. Many mythical ninja powers such as becoming invisible, jumping over tall fences, casting spells and calling up a giant toad larger than a human were all invented in these fictitious accounts of ninja. Ninja did not correct these misconceptions and some may have even written these stories themselves to increase their value should their services be needed. One of the lesser known contributions made by ninja is their involvement in furthering the research of fireworks as a result of their development of pyrotechnic weaponry.

Few traces of Ninjutsu remain in Japan today, such as the Koka-ryu Ninjutsu Yashiki (Koka-ruy Nijutsu Palace) in Shiga, near Kyoto, which is mostly geared toward children, the Togakushi Chibikko Ninja-Mura (Kid's Togakushi Ninja-village), which is little more than an amusement park, and the The Iga-ryu Ninja Museum, which features the most comprehensive understanding of Ninjutsu.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:38 am



Wolf Nightshade
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Son of Nirvana

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:51 am


Because ninja rarely left anything in writing or boasted of their achievements, the history of the ninja is mostly apocryphal and blatantly legendary, so the great majority of stories circulating about them are difficult to prove.

Historical examples of ninja are said to include Minamoto no Yoshitsune, who employed surprise as a major weapon in his victories. He is said in a popular folktale to have been educated by a tengu to learn tactics and became a ninja.

One of the earliest roots of ninja, Togakure Ryū, reportedly originated in the late Heian Period. Iga and Kōga are two of the most famous ninja styles, and are often pitted against each other in fiction. Some also say that they were allies and worked together in mutual defense pacts. Both of these claim that they originated in the Heian period.

Only a few records remain from the Kamakura period. Kusunoki Masashige used tactics against enemies that remotely resemble ninja tactics. From the Muromachi period there are even fewer records. Both of these times were generally peaceful, and many battles had tournament-like aspects that prevented surprise attacks. Somewhere in these time periods, bushido began to form as the proper and honorable way a samurai must follow. It would be well into the Edo period that bushido was finally formalized.

In the Sengoku Period, also known as the Warring States period, ninja supposedly flourished. Almost all famous daimyō are said by modern ninja schools to have had ninja, or a ninja-like group under his control and they served as eyes and ears. Some daimyō were reportedly ninja themselves. The clan of Sanada, the most famous member being Sanada Yukimura, was reportedly a ninja clan. This is attributed to the successful defense of their castle with approximately 3,000 soldiers against an overwhelming force of 50,000 led by Tokugawa Hidetada. Their tactics, which are said to have included splitting their house in two, one each supporting Toyotomi and Tokugawa in order to survive no matter which side finally won, has been the subject of much legendary discussion. Later, they would come to be called Sanada Jū Yushi, lit. Ten heroes under Sanada, in tales where they used ninja skills to defeat everything but their jealous wives (who were, of course, ninja themselves).

Tokugawa Ieyasu was claimed to have used ninja, controlling both Iga and Koga in unifying Japan and ultimately rising to the rank of Shogun. In his dramatic escape through the mountainous landscape of Nara after Oda's assassination, Iga ninja led by Hattori Hanzō allegedly helped Ieyasu escape, gaining his favor. The last battle where ninja reportedly fought is in the Siege of Shimabara under the Tokugawa shogunate. As the shogunate became stable, ninja were effectively unemployed. Some were said to have become Oniwabanshū, a semi-secret group of bodyguards and intelligence officers who worked tending gardens of the Edo castle and eavesdropping on the daimyō. A purported ninja master Fujibayashi Sabuji wrote Bansenshukai (万川集海) as a collection of ninja knowledge. Yet the stories go that most knowledge was still passed on through oral tradition and training, as most ninja believed that their services would soon be needed again. The peace of the Edo period continued for over 200 years.

In the Edo period, ninja became popular heroes in books and plays. Many mythical ninja powers such as becoming invisible, jumping over tall fences, casting spells and calling up a giant toad larger than a human were all invented in these fictitious accounts of ninja. Ninja did not correct these misconceptions and some may have even written these stories themselves to increase their value should their services be needed. One of the lesser known contributions made by ninja is their involvement in furthering the research of fireworks as a result of their development of pyrotechnic weaponry.

Few traces of Ninjutsu remain in Japan today, such as the Koka-ryu Ninjutsu Yashiki (Koka-ruy Nijutsu Palace) in Shiga, near Kyoto, which is mostly geared toward children, the Togakushi Chibikko Ninja-Mura (Kid's Togakushi Ninja-village), which is little more than an amusement park, and the The Iga-ryu Ninja Museum, which features the most comprehensive understanding of Ninjutsu.
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