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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:14 pm
no human knows when they're gonna die. what if i die this year? what if i die tomorrow? what if i die today? i'm not sure if i can get into heaven the way i'm living now. i go to a cathilic school and i was baptized and confirmed into a methodist church. methodism says that all we need to do is believe in Jesus (and other stuff but you know what i mean) and we'll get to heaven. catholicism says we have to confess our sins to a priest, take communion, and all that other stuff to get to heaven. i'm confused, and scared. what if they're both wrong? what if there is no truly correct religion? somebody help me please!
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:42 pm
Peace, dear one. Before I say anything, I need you to understand-- I'm not going to tell you what to believe... that's for you to decide, in the end.
However, I will say this. I believe that the Bible is the ultimate source of truth, the source of ultimate truth. *gently* And if you believe this, as well, then this is what it says on the subject:
"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23).
"For the wage of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23).
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world, through Him, might be saved." (John 3:16-17).
"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9). No mention of the priests....
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:16). Still no priests....
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, not by yourselves; it is the gift of God." (Ephesians 2:8.)
"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12).
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." (II Corinthians 5:17).
I hope it helps. I'll check back here soon, ok?
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:15 pm
wow. i don't read the bible much sweatdrop . that's why i didn't think about any of that. i'm gonna start reading the bible more.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:08 pm
3nodding Good idea-- it's all in there. I'd start off with the Gospel of John, then maybe Romans; they might help clear up the salvation issue. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help-- or any of us, actually, because I'm sure the rest of the guild is just as eager and willing to do what they can. cool
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:30 pm
I second what LynUridain said, and if you have ANY questions, we're all here to answer. I'm pretty sure no one here's a scholar or anything but we can try to help. Do not be discouraged because things may not make sense, if they don't they're usually things that God will reveal to you in time.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:44 pm
thanx you guys. it's just that the thought of eternal torture and pain in a pool of fire doesn't suit me well. and thinking about stuff like that scares me. and sometimes i'll be reading the bible and it'll say stuff about how if we don't live a life for God that we'll suffer forever and i wonder if what i'm doing is enough.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:46 pm
and also, going back to my first post, in one religion it says that if you murder anybody and stuff like that that you're separated from God forever. in the other, the one that i agree with (but still would never kill anybody), we believe that you can do all you want and you'll get to heaven as long as you believe in Jesus. and also, where in the bible does it say ANYTHING about mortal sin? and on a side question, do jews get into heaven?
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:29 pm
Ok, well as for mortal sin, there is one and only one that it says serparates you from God and I believe we all did it at one time, that is rejection of Jesus. So once you accept Christ's sacrifice as your personal sacrifice, that it was the perfect sacrifice the man who took away the sin that the first brought into the world, the only way to be at peace with the True and Living God, and through His resurrection we have the hope(not like the hope of that the world has to offer but "the hope that does not dissappoint") of everlasting life you're saved from Hades and Gehenna or Hell and the lake of fire. But that's not a liscence to sin, we are to be Christians, or "little Christs" little images of the one we serve. If we truely believe Jesus is our saviour we will automatically seek to be like Him and not want to offend Him. Now this doesn't mean we gotta be perfect either, we still have some human in us that wants to sin but we have to continually kill our old selves and live for Christ, be His warriors!
One key thing that God wants us to know is that we don't have the power to do what He asks of us. It's true. we cannot live up to the expectation that God has for us. The thing is though, we can through His power. He basically gives us super powers when we accept the sacrifice of His son, His spirit is given to us and we can conquer sin. You doing enough is not the issue, letting God do things through you is what He wants. THis still isn't all that easy, it's simple, "let God do it through you" but it's hard stuff and it is something you will struggle with as you walk with Christ.. but the rewards are out of this world! smile it brings such joy when you can look back on a situation and say, "wow, there's no way I could have done that, God was working through me!" God uses broken people like us to confuse those that seem to have it all together.
As for Jews, the same rules apply to them as they do to us, they just need to recieve the true messiah, Jesus Christ. But in the End, the Jews as a nation will recoginize the Anti-Christ for who he really is (will be) and turn back to God and He will save them. As for when this'll all happen, we're not sure but it seems to be coming up real soon!
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:43 pm
About what you were saying about Heaven and Hell, Daniel-- I'm not entirely sure that the contemporary images we have of either of those places is completely accurate. I know that the "lake of fire" is mentioned several times in the Bible, but I think about it differently (and, somehow, this is all the freakier, and yet easier to swallow... go figure).
I was told a while back that for a nonbeliver, this world is as close as you can get to Heaven; for a Christian, it is as close as you can get to Hell. The reason is this-- God exists here, though not completely. That tree outside of my window is not God; God created it, and so it has the essence of God, but He is not here in the sense that I could poke the air and expect to feel Him. That state of being exists in Heaven-- where everything is pure and clean and good, where everything that is not us is God. Hell, on the other hand, is the exact opposite. It is the one place in the physical/temporal/metaphysical universe where God does not exist-- a place where you are completely cut off from the love and grace of God for eternity.
*shudder* Now, I dont' know about you, but that's pretty scary.
But in the end, it all comes down to choice, free will. Those who really want to spend eternity with Christ will do what it takes to make it to Heaven (see second post); those who live their lives in utter defiance of God get what they wanted in life when they die and are seperated from Him forever.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:52 pm
yeah...i was watching this show on the history channel and it was saying about the lady of phatima (SP i think) and how she showed three little girls what hell was. well, she lifted her hand and the earth split open and there were pools and lakes of lava and fire and they heard terrifying blood-curdling screams and they could smell peoples' burning flesh and then she closed the earth and said, "you have seen hell. this is the way you will live for all of eternity if you do not live for God" and stuff like that. and ithere was something else about this guy who was the biggest preacher of a religion who said that sinning is the right thing to do and it's like some kind of temptation of the flesh and it must be satisfied or it is sinning and to honor their gods and stuff they perormed ritualistic orgies and stuff. just thought i'd mention how twisted some religions are.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:06 pm
i know this is off subject, but i'm reading in the book of romans, but what value does circumcision have? and why does it have no value if you do not honor the "law?" and what exactly is the law? is it God's word? burning_eyes so confusing!
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:25 pm
The "law" is the set of rules followed by the Jews, which was originaly God's word but more laws were added to clarify the previous laws. One of these laws was that all Jewish men had to be circumcised. This was one of the many things that was suposed to set them apart from the gentiles and keep them healthy. What is meant by saying circumcision has no vaue if you don't honor the law, is like saying there is no point in taking part of certain traditions of the religion if you don't practice the important parts of the religion.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:32 pm
Lithanus The "law" is the set of rules followed by the Jews, which was originaly God's word but more laws were added to clarify the previous laws. One of these laws was that all Jewish men had to be circumcised. This was one of the many things that was suposed to set them apart from the gentiles and keep them healthy. What is meant by saying circumcision has no vaue if you don't honor the law, is like saying there is no point in taking part of certain traditions of the religion if you don't practice the important parts of the religion. oh ok that makes sense. how do you know all this stuff?
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:41 pm
ZoeeKitty Lithanus The "law" is the set of rules followed by the Jews, which was originaly God's word but more laws were added to clarify the previous laws. One of these laws was that all Jewish men had to be circumcised. This was one of the many things that was suposed to set them apart from the gentiles and keep them healthy. What is meant by saying circumcision has no vaue if you don't honor the law, is like saying there is no point in taking part of certain traditions of the religion if you don't practice the important parts of the religion. oh ok that makes sense. how do you know all this stuff? Disiple Bible Study through my church. I went through 3 yrs of the course in High School. I had great teachers too, I learned a lot from them. I highly suggest you join a bible study if you aren't in one already. Sometimes it may seem boring, but you won't regret it in the end.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:04 pm
Baptism, spoken of in the New Testament, holds the same symbolic value as circumcision in the Old Testament. It was a way of publicly announcing your decision to live for God. 3nodding
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:16). What this verse does not say speaks as much as what it does. He who does not believe [and is baptized] will be condemned. Take care not to just "go through the motions" of "religion"-- being religious and a "good person" don't mean anything without Christ and the grace of God.
Kudos for coming up with these questions, and for starting Romans-- glad we could help. biggrin And now, when someone asks you these things, you'll be able to answer them too cool Take the Good News and run with it, my friend-- and keep the discussion going. I could use the review as much as anyone.
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