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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:41 am
Okay so lust has been brought up a few times, so I'd just like to get a few things clarified. The dictionary has the following things to say about lust. Quote: 1. An unrestrained sexual craving 2. a. an overwhelming desire or craving b. An intense eagerness or enthusiasm. To have an intense or obsessive desire, especially one that is sexual. n 1: a strong sexual desire [syn: lecherousness, lustfulness] 2: self-indulgent sexual desire (personified as one of the deadly sins) [syn: luxuria] v : have a craving, appetite, or great desire for [syn: crave, hunger, thirst, starve] sinful longing; the inward sin which leads to the falling away from God (Rom.1:21). "Lust, the origin of sin, has its place in the heart, not of necessity, but because it is the centre of all moral forces and impulses and of spiritual activity." In Mark 4:19 "lusts" are objects of desire. I think that's all a good explanation of what lust is. Half of sexual lust is all hormones, so that part cannot be helped. The real deadly sin bit comes in when you place the object of your desire of greater importance than God, and other such good things. This is a very important theme in the bible that you should not let want consume you. In fact, all seven of the deadly sins revolve around want. Lust normally describe sexual want, but it can be anything. As the dictionary so kindly explained, in that bible verse lusts are objects of desire. You may lust after a certain person, pleasure, or anything. The seven deadly sins are just like catagories, lust is for sexual want, greed is for monetary want, gluttony is want for food, envy is want for something someone else has. Of course sex, food, money, and possessions are okay by themselves but not to excess. In fact I just noticed all this while I was typing. If everyone else has already thought of this, forgive me. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:25 pm
So the Bible says that Lust is okay, just no in excess? No, that's not right, lust is in excess. The Bile says sexual want is okay, but not in excess because then it is lust?
Does it then follow that as long as one's life is not consumed by sexual want then some fantasizing or whatever is okay?
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:30 pm
I think lust is a generalization of anything sexually inappropriate- sexual thoughts, sexual acts, etc. Inside of marriage, lust for your spouse is fine, because you can vent on those frustrations; outside of marriage, it's something to watch for and keep yourself from. Paul tells us that if we can't handle our lusts, then get married, because then we wouldn't be sinning; we'd be able to have sex with our spouse all we wanted.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:39 pm
Quote: So the Bible says that Lust is okay, just no in excess? No, that's not right, lust is in excess. The Bile says sexual want is okay, but not in excess because then it is lust? Does it then follow that as long as one's life is not consumed by sexual want then some fantasizing or whatever is okay? Well, you have to take into account that sexual want comes from hormones, partially. I mean, you should try not to consume your life but a little bit you can't really help. The bible isn't incredibly specific, but its a scientific fact that you're going to have some sexual desire whether you want to or not, unless you change your biochemistry or something. Quote: I think lust is a generalization of anything sexually inappropriate- sexual thoughts, sexual acts, etc. Inside of marriage, lust for your spouse is fine, because you can vent on those frustrations; outside of marriage, it's something to watch for and keep yourself from. Paul tells us that if we can't handle our lusts, then get married, because then we wouldn't be sinning; we'd be able to have sex with our spouse all we wanted. I was just talking about lust in your thoughts, because its widely accepted as lustful to cheat on your spouse etc.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:01 am
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:55 pm
Lust is an interesting concept...
Lust is usually associated with sex, which is outside of marriage, obviously not good. You can lust for other things as well, but I guess we usually refer to that as want. My mission trip was about storing up our treasures in Heavan and not getting wrapped up in material things.
So sex is okay within marriage and having material things is okay so long as they don't come before God.
So I guess what I'm saying is God = numero uno and everything else = number two 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:21 pm
*Looks inside* *thinks: Maybe I should stay out of this, people don't like what i say anyways, so i'll just shut up*
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:09 pm
Quote: Lust is an interesting concept... Lust is usually associated with sex, which is outside of marriage, obviously not good. You can lust for other things as well, but I guess we usually refer to that as want. My mission trip was about storing up our treasures in Heavan and not getting wrapped up in material things. So sex is okay within marriage and having material things is okay so long as they don't come before God. So I guess what I'm saying is God = numero uno and everything else = number two You are much more succinct than me. sweatdrop Quote: *Looks inside* *thinks: Maybe I should stay out of this, people don't like what i say anyways, so i'll just shut up* I disagree with you on the subject of homosexuality, but this thread is not about homosexuality.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:56 am
Quote: You are much more succinct than me. sweatdrop Not really... I have a bad tendancy of rambling. Lust is just something that's pretty well defined in my mind... hahaha.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:35 pm
*looks in again, thinks: i still think that i should shut up, I just can't talk w/ people who say that what the Bible clearly states as sin is actually not sinful. I don't want to "offend" them anymore than I did, I don't want to be too repetitive for them, and this is will be a waste of time, i don't want to hurt anybody's feelings anymore (intentially or unintentionally), so i'll just shut up. Anyways, half of the topics they start, they don't even know anything about it (not that they don't know anything about this one). So, i'll just shut up and "save" everyone from a "bosterious debate" and from "trouble". And anyways, they won't listen to me, and their eyes a spiritually blind in somethings ..... Anyways, I'll shut up and leave them be. Oh and concerning homosexuality, I'll let them think and do whatever they want, they can go to hell in a hand basket if they want to, they can be wrong if they want to. *
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:32 pm
thejesusfreak *looks in again, thinks: i still think that i should shut up, I just can't talk w/ people who say that what the Bible clearly states as sin is actually not sinful. I don't want to "offend" them anymore than I did, I don't want to be too repetitive for them, and this is will be a waste of time, i don't want to hurt anybody's feelings anymore (intentially or unintentionally), so i'll just shut up. Anyways, half of the topics they start, they don't even know anything about it (not that they don't know anything about this one). So, i'll just shut up and "save" everyone from a "bosterious debate" and from "trouble". And anyways, they won't listen to me, and their eyes a spiritually blind in somethings ..... Anyways, I'll shut up and leave them be. Oh and concerning homosexuality, I'll let them think and do whatever they want, they can go to hell in a hand basket if they want to, they can be wrong if they want to. * Sweetheart, there's a lot of other topics out there besides homosexuality that most of us agree with you on... like you're "Work is satisfying when..." thread was good and I agreed wiht most everything there. Like many people have said, it's not so much your opinions on some things it's how you state them that offends people. I'm sure you have valid, good opinions on a subject like lust which, provided you state it in a respectful way, a lot of us will agree with you and appreciate your insight.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:12 pm
thelovelyLIZ thejesusfreak *looks in again, thinks: i still think that i should shut up, I just can't talk w/ people who say that what the Bible clearly states as sin is actually not sinful. I don't want to "offend" them anymore than I did, I don't want to be too repetitive for them, and this is will be a waste of time, i don't want to hurt anybody's feelings anymore (intentially or unintentionally), so i'll just shut up. Anyways, half of the topics they start, they don't even know anything about it (not that they don't know anything about this one). So, i'll just shut up and "save" everyone from a "bosterious debate" and from "trouble". And anyways, they won't listen to me, and their eyes a spiritually blind in somethings ..... Anyways, I'll shut up and leave them be. Oh and concerning homosexuality, I'll let them think and do whatever they want, they can go to hell in a hand basket if they want to, they can be wrong if they want to. * Sweetheart, there's a lot of other topics out there besides homosexuality that most of us agree with you on... like you're "Work is satisfying when..." thread was good and I agreed wiht most everything there. Like many people have said, it's not so much your opinions on some things it's how you state them that offends people. I'm sure you have valid, good opinions on a subject like lust which, provided you state it in a respectful way, a lot of us will agree with you and appreciate your insight. *thinks: I wish she would stop calling me sweatheart and honey, when she does she reminds me of my 8th grade spanish teacher who treated my class like kindergardners when in fact we were 7th and 8th graders, she drove me nuts w/ how she treated us (she treated us like children). That's all.*
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:22 pm
TJF, would it be too much to ask that if you have something to say, you say it, rather than 'thinking' it and pretending to ignore every one else's presence?
Everyone else (that is, anyone who wants to actually participate in the thread as it is, rather than going back to a discussion of homosexuality, which we know will get us no where):
So, it's okay to lust after people, so long as it doesn't come before God, and doesn't consume a large percentage of your time, right? So where does masturbation and porn fit into all this? I mean, everyone knows that those are bad things that good Christian teens don't do, but what if it's not being put before God and not happaning often? Then it's okay?
This doesn't concern me personally, mind you, I'm just speaking out of curiosity.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:37 pm
thejesusfreak thelovelyLIZ thejesusfreak *looks in again, thinks: i still think that i should shut up, I just can't talk w/ people who say that what the Bible clearly states as sin is actually not sinful. I don't want to "offend" them anymore than I did, I don't want to be too repetitive for them, and this is will be a waste of time, i don't want to hurt anybody's feelings anymore (intentially or unintentionally), so i'll just shut up. Anyways, half of the topics they start, they don't even know anything about it (not that they don't know anything about this one). So, i'll just shut up and "save" everyone from a "bosterious debate" and from "trouble". And anyways, they won't listen to me, and their eyes a spiritually blind in somethings ..... Anyways, I'll shut up and leave them be. Oh and concerning homosexuality, I'll let them think and do whatever they want, they can go to hell in a hand basket if they want to, they can be wrong if they want to. * Sweetheart, there's a lot of other topics out there besides homosexuality that most of us agree with you on... like you're "Work is satisfying when..." thread was good and I agreed wiht most everything there. Like many people have said, it's not so much your opinions on some things it's how you state them that offends people. I'm sure you have valid, good opinions on a subject like lust which, provided you state it in a respectful way, a lot of us will agree with you and appreciate your insight. *thinks: I wish she would stop calling me sweatheart and honey, when she does she reminds me of my 8th grade spanish teacher who treated my class like kindergardners when in fact we were 7th and 8th graders, she drove me nuts w/ how she treated us (she treated us like children). That's all.* I literally call everyone sweetheart. It's not because I'm treating you like I child, I just call everyone that (including people who are much older than me). Sorry, I'll try to stop but it's just a nickname I have for.... everyone eek Hahaha. Empress_Kat So, it's okay to lust after people, so long as it doesn't come before God, and doesn't consume a large percentage of your time, right? So where does masturbation and porn fit into all this? I mean, everyone knows that those are bad things that good Christian teens don't do, but what if it's not being put before God and not happaning often? Then it's okay? That's a really good question and I honestly have no idea what the correct answer is. It's all really up in the air and it depends on your views. One of my good, Christian friends sees men masturbating as perfectly healthy (she's female) but I'm a little mroe skeptical... I really don't know what to say to that since I haven't studied it in depth... On those kind of subjects, I just try to steer clear and then we don't have a problem xp
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:54 pm
Well, you have to think about why you're doing those things. Let's look at porn (not literally ... sweatdrop ). People view it to get sexual stimulation (which normally leads to masturbation). Porn allows a person to lust in their own privacy, and freely I might add. Masturbation is usually a result of lust (whether porn was involved or not). I don't know anyone who can masturbate and not think sexual thoughts (okay, that sounded weird confused ). Then there's the whole thought process of masturbation is kinda like "self-sex" and if you're not married to yourself it's a sin to have sex with yourself. -shrug- I heard that somewhere.
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