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Don't let them get you down. I love the pro-fetus argument. Especially when someone tells me I"m po-fetus...in case no one's seen my rather lengthy rant on the current state of adoption system, what's wrong with it, and that it needs reform. Also that we've got an obligation as human beings to do everything in our power to give the baby the best shot at life, meaning going beyond making sure he or she is born, that's why prolifers have set up many programs to help women and get their children adopted outside of the normal fostercare system to avoid abuse, I am VERY pro-quality-of-life....and it makes me laugh. I am pro-quality-of-life and pro-baby-being-born-not-killed and I don't see why the two need interfere. Research is, as you say, biased, but....not all research is solely on abortion but growing evidence to support an abortion-related issue mounts up on other studies. And we tend to be fanatics too, it's emotionally-driven reasoning, there's a need to defend this point more than something like the color red is better than the color orange or w/e, this is about life and safety and both sides are very passionate.

Women can control their own reproduction by not having sex unless they want to, and when they do, to be ready to accept the consequences. Abortion hasn't freed women, it's further objectified them. Bah. If she doesn't understand that, she's either young and ignorant or old and foolish. If I go by her logic, I shouldn't be here now, as I've had many suicidal periods and I am a bit ill and it costs a hell of a lotta money for my parents and insurance company to keep me alive...do I really matter enough to keep being a drain on society? I think so, considering once this is over I've got plans to go on and do great things in the world, maybe quietly, without my name being recognized. I want to work to reform the special education system in religious education. I want to work to improve the lives of people, I want to work to reform the adoption system, maybe I'm only a drop in a bucket but sometimes that's all it takes to add to the rest to make it spill over. I think I'm worth investing in and I think I can do a good deal for a lot of people.

Pro-choice (one out of three people involved has the right to choose and the other two have no say whatsoever)
Pro-life (every child a wanted child, every child a person before birth and in need of love and care as well as a right to live)

I have found no one in here who supports the dump, run, okay, next fetus to be saved! method.

I'm with you on humanity, but then sometimes I meet people who make me feel differently. ED draws in kids waiting to make a point. Some are good at debating and have so much talent. Others are just plain stupid and like to flame anyone who disagrees with them. I've stopped going in there. If there's one thing I hate about some humans, it's how little they care. When I come up against a choicer who has no sympathy for the men or the children lost or anyone BUT the mother, I'm saddened. Same goes when I come up against a lifer who has none for anyone but the fetus. Haven't met anyone in here like that, thank goodness. I tend to care deeply for people, all people I think, like, one thing I love about this guild is that people in here express concern for the mother's well-being and the future of the child as well, and brainstorm ways to help all parties concerned, including the parents. That's prolife. I dunno where she gets the idea prolifers are only profetus, but it's not from here. If it is....ermm....I dunno. Maybe she needs glasses and isn't reading correctly? sweatdrop

Lymelady, your posts seems to state that the pro-choice supporters who only care for the mother are feminazi's to the point where only the female's life is most important even if it isn't on the verge of death.

Wow really? I did? eek
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I don't believe it's hypocritical if your beliefs do not contradict yourself. Contradicting statements are usually found in many religious doctrines... which is why I define my own religion, however I feel that the only thing that is uncontradictory about the Abortion argument is that we believe the fetus in itself is a LIFE.

For me, I've come to the single mindedness that abortion should be legal, but should not be taken advantaged of in small, minimal and otherwise stupid situations... Such as... "I'm not ready for children."

I just feel that before the government should legalize abortion, it should be made clear that getting one is ethically wrong because it disregards the respect for life in itself. However, with different cultures comes different ethics, and with different ethics different beliefs, and this is probably the problem.

I guess it's safe to say... if every pro-choice fanatic was aborted before birth, there would be no unwanted children in the world....

Based off the idea that children are only unwanted because someone says they are unwanted.

It's funny really because you can never tell if a child will have a good life or not. For me, I was born to a family that didn't really treat me well, I'm teased by my father and he is very immature... my mom is also caring less and less, and I'm pretty much in a position where nothing really matters anymore.

Yet, I'm still not going to have a bad life. Showing that even in adversity people can develop a will and means on their own.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with facts anymore against these people. I'm only going to see how logical they are... the pro-choice on the ED.

Yes I do.



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